Supplementing vs Draining Acupuncture Technique and Needle Retention

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According to Nei Jing (sorry for not pointing to a

particular page of an English version, as I read the

Chinese version), the Qi circulates 50 times a day.

Simple math: 24x60 divided by 50 gives 28.8. A number

of my friends and myself have been following the rule

of thumb of leaving the needles in for 30 minutes or

longer, but not longer than twice the amount of 28.8

minutes for internal medicine topics. However,

duration aside, I believe, following Su Wen and Nan

Jing, the most important thing is to ensure the proper

presence and flow of qi. (The classics mention " hou

qi, " or, awaiting qi in many places.) As a rule of

thumb, I go back to the patient to ensure proper qi

manifestation a few times while the needles are still

on. There also pre- and post-needling steps to orient

and close on the treatment. I do not take what's

being practiced in China (neither wrt Taiwan) en mass

for granted, and I am not surprised to hear that some

reported not very good result.

 

Mike L.

 

wrote:

 

Robert Chu, in his unique way, calculated, I

believe, 28.5 minutes treatment time based on

the speed of qi moving through the body. 20

minutes is usually thought to be the amount

of time of one cycle but I've forgotten the

details of how that is calculated. In any case, the

modern Chinese model seems to be a blend of this

concept with the economic

practicalities. As is the case with all of our

practices.

I was struck last time in China how " Western " the

group treatments Marnae describes well

below were. The doctors were quiet during the

treatment time and I almost expected an

Enya CD to be playing in the background.

I know I try to ainduce a Theta type state,

between sleep and dreaming, in my patients...

some patients, they just can't go there and stare

up at the ceiling. Obviously these patients

never go beyond 20 minutes before they want the

needles out. What I do may be

dangerously close to what Mark Seem calls

endophonizing acupuncture but I find it

restorative for the patients. Obviously we are

talking about internal Zang-fu type cases

and not pain, where I may spend a full hour in the

room, prodding and poking.

doug

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

They are talking about individual terms, not compound terms. The

30,000 plus number in the electronic dictionary includes compounds,

the ~4000 WHO standard terms are based on individual terms.

>>>I would love to see the list

 

 

 

 

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