Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 This may seem way off topic from herbs, but it is really about sorting out basic theory common to both acupuncture and herbs. Thus in making the case, reference to what may seem to be offtopic posts may be necessary. Manaka writes that deep needling and strong stimulation engage the neurovascular system, while gentler techniques engage only the qi or x-signal system. I have actually cited this position to explain to students why one can get profound results with shallow needling. In my own practice, I tend more towards what are sometimes called " japanese " techniques within a TCM dx. The fact that manaka himself admits acupuncture can have either x-signal or neurovascular effects makes me wonder if both he and kendall have part of the puzzle. I think Z'ev and Bob both agree that acupuncture has neurovascular effects. The question is whether there is a distinct x-signal system, channels and all. I don't think either of you are saying that Manaka's work is conclusive. Though it is absolutely intriguing and warrrants much further research. If the architecture is there and can be demonstrated to conform to nei jing descriptions, I'll eat up the evidence. However it may be that what manaka observed were degrees of neurovascular effects and not a distinct qi signaling system. Chinese Herbs FAX: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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