Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 I am in the process of looking for advanced studies in TCM and Acupuncture in China and/or Hong Kong or surrounding areas. If anyone has experienced studing in these area's, I would appreciate any information on where to study and/or anyplace that you would reccomend not to study. Thanks...Brian PS...I am also looking at the study program in Hangzhou and would like any feedback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 Brian, have you tried contacting the major schools directly? My understanding is that the major schools have programs in place for foreign students. A friend of mine from Nanjing University told me I should be able to contact most schools (at least the ones in the capital cities) regarding study. You may also want to contact TCM schools in the US that have an exchange program. They will surely have some usable info. I know AOMA www.aoma.edu sends students to Chengdu university. Many other such programs exist that may be able to give you tips. That is how I arranged my language study in China a few years back. Sorry I don't have more specific info for you. -Tim Sharpe mischievous00 [mischiev... Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:24 AM China Study I am in the process of looking for advanced studies in TCM and Acupuncture in China and/or Hong Kong or surrounding areas. If anyone has experienced studing in these area's, I would appreciate any information on where to study and/or anyplace that you would reccomend not to study. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 Just about any hospital or school will give you some sort of advanced training if yu pay them money. The trick is to find where you want to be for several months. Sorry, I'm not sure what your experience level is at this point.... For the most part I think trying to be " taught " at a school is not worthwhile unless you plan to be there several years. However, it's easy enough to sit in hospital departments and learn a whole lot assuming that the facility has arranged (which they can easily with enough advanced notice) a suitable translator. This is really where your money goes, for them to hire someone, probably a doctor(s) at the facility to hang out with you. The advantage of a programmed visit is that housing can be more easily arranged and and may be much cheaper. The down-side is that you pay the school for doing that. If someone says, " Clinic in the morning and classes in the afternoon " realize it's going to be clinic in the morning only. Usually they pay or make a professor stick around after lunch and they don't want to do it and you won't learn much and soon you'll be shopping all afternoon. Go someplace insistent on morning and afternoon clinic. Sigh....... I'd love to go back... doug > > China Study > > I am in the process of looking for advanced studies in TCM and Acupuncture > in China and/or Hong Kong or surrounding areas. > > If anyone has experienced studing in these area's, I would appreciate any > information on where to study and/or anyplace that you would reccomend not > to study. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Hi Brian, I think the best TCM schools are in Beijing, Shanghai, Chengdu and Guangzhou. If you would like to study in those cities, it is necessary for you to speak Mandarin. However, most of the Hongkongers speak Cantonese. If you choose to study in HK, you probably have to speak Cantonese. Don't know if that's relevant to you or not. Fanny --- mischievous00 <mischievous00 wrote: I am in the process of looking for advanced studies in TCM and Acupuncture in China and/or Hong Kong or surrounding areas. If anyone has experienced studing in these area's, I would appreciate any information on where to study and/or anyplace that you would reccomend not to study. Thanks...Brian PS...I am also looking at the study program in Hangzhou and would like any feedback Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Thanks for your advice. I received my MS in TCM at Samra University in 2000. I am hoping to get more training so I feel more competent in treating different disorders that was not treated in clinic. Is there a school that you would reccomend or not reccomend, Thanks... Brian Just about any hospital or school will give you some sort of advanced training if yu pay them money. The trick is to find where you want to be for several months. Sorry, I'm not sure what your experience level is at this point.... For the most part I think trying to be " taught " at a school is not worthwhile unless you plan to be there several years. However, it's easy enough to sit in hospital departments and learn a whole lot assuming that the facility has arranged (which they can easily with enough advanced notice) a suitable translator. This is really where your money goes, for them to hire someone, probably a doctor(s) at the facility to hang out with you. The advantage of a programmed visit is that housing can be more easily arranged and and may be much cheaper. The down-side is that you pay the school for doing that. If someone says, " Clinic in the morning and classes in the afternoon " realize it's going to be clinic in the morning only. Usually they pay or make a professor stick around after lunch and they don't want to do it and you won't learn much and soon you'll be shopping all afternoon. Go someplace insistent on morning and afternoon clinic. Sigh....... I'd love to go back... doug > > China Study > > I am in the process of looking for advanced studies in TCM and Acupuncture > in China and/or Hong Kong or surrounding areas. > > If anyone has experienced studing in these area's, I would appreciate any > information on where to study and/or anyplace that you would reccomend not > to study. Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Tim: Thanks for your advice. I left a message today with AOMA and will be calling a few other schools. Which school did you attend. In the past I spoke with a person that puts on the tours for the Oregon school that takes place in Nanjing. He mentined that he would help set things up for me because of the relationship the school has with them. I then spoke with one of my chinese instructors he mentioned that the better doctors and training is in Beijing. Perhaps I will contact him again. I have heard so many bad stories from students that went to china for studies and were very dissapointed so I am a little hesitent to jump on in. Brian Tim Sharpe <listserve wrote: Brian, have you tried contacting the major schools directly? My understanding is that the major schools have programs in place for foreign students. A friend of mine from Nanjing University told me I should be able to contact most schools (at least the ones in the capital cities) regarding study. You may also want to contact TCM schools in the US that have an exchange program. They will surely have some usable info. I know AOMA www.aoma.edu sends students to Chengdu university. Many other such programs exist that may be able to give you tips. That is how I arranged my language study in China a few years back. Sorry I don't have more specific info for you. -Tim Sharpe mischievous00 [mischiev... Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:24 AM China Study I am in the process of looking for advanced studies in TCM and Acupuncture in China and/or Hong Kong or surrounding areas. If anyone has experienced studing in these area's, I would appreciate any information on where to study and/or anyplace that you would reccomend not to study. Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Bob: Thank you for your advice and would appreciate any other advice that you have. I graduated from Samra University in 2000. In clinic we never really had the opportunity to treat patients other than for pain, digestion, etc. I am hoping that by going to China this will give me the experience to help me be more competent in treating other disorders. I have heard bad stories from students who went to China and were dissapointed in not learning much more that was learned here in the states in schools. This makes me a little nervous before going over. I have heard several opinions to where is the best plact to study and its overwhelming. The school in Oregon last year mentioned they would help set things up in Nanjing, which is the school they have developed relationships with. I then spoke with a chinese instructor who received both western MD degree and Chinese TCM degree. He mentioned that the best schools and instructors are in Beijing. I have recently relocated my practice to Southern Utah and will not start practice for another few months so this would give me the opportunity to study in China for a few months. I am looking to go over in May-July. Initially, I seen the message in this group for the abdominal acupuncture course in Hangzhou. I thought this would be a great chance to learn something new and then my past chinese instructor I mentioned above said this technique is old and not really new. So now I am really confused. The university that is sponsoring it looks great and several different departments of study in the hospital. From reading your message it now is very apparent that I rething the whole thing. Do you and your wife still arrange the study trips to China. One last question I have heard from returning students is that most the conditions treated in China are not conditions that are usually seen in the states. Any advice you have would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Brian N Hardy, DC, LAC, CCN Bob Flaws <pemachophel2001 wrote: Having studied in China three times myself and having arranged (along with my wife) study trips to China for six or seven other groups, one of the things I would like to share on this topic is the issue of guan xi. Guan xi means relationship. It's the grease and the glue of Chinese culture. While there are arguably better and worse colleges and hospitals, without guan xi, even the best college or hospital in China may turn out to be a ma-ma hu-hu (so-so experience). Guan xi is made in either of two ways. Either 1) someone who already has guan xi makes an introduction for you and " sponsors " you. This means that the sponsoring party has staked their guan xi on you, acting as your " surity. " Secondly, one can make guan xi on their own via their own effort. While we norte americanos tend to form friendships quickly and also break them quickly, Chinese take time to develop friendships and then maintain them steadfastly over a long period of time. This means that, often, the first study visit is about cultivating guan xi. Frankly, one has to demonstrate to Chinese that you are worth teaching. You have to " qualify. " Once you qualify, then they stick by you over time through thick and thin. At least that's my experience. Because I made good guan xi during my first study trip to China, the second time I went they rolled out the red carpet and brought in the big guns for me in terms of famous teachers, etc. The otrher students I brought with me on this second trip then enjoyed (most of) the same benefits. When my wife went to China, she didn't need to make her own guan xi. Because of my guan xi, she was immediately taken into the inner circle. Depending on differences in guan xi, two people studying at the same school or clinic, even with the same teachers or clinical preceptors, may come away with very different educational experiences and access to resources. Techniques for developing guan xi are a whole other topic. Like anything, there are methods. Unfortunately, my calendar is full for today. If I get done what I need to early, perhaps I can return to this topic later this afternoon. Bob Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 Brain, Stay out of Nanjing in May-July. It is known as one of the " three furnances " of China, and this is exactly the hot season. I've heard good things about Hangzhou, and it's a nice little city with some really beautiful surrounding areas. As the Chinese say, " Heaven above, Suzhou and Hangzhou below. " Generally, Chinese tout where they themselves are from. However, of the four main TCM colleges, Beijing is known as the most politically correct, Nanjing as the most scholarly, Shanghai as the best teaching, and Guangzhou as the best clinic. These are probably just another Chinese cliche, but cliches are usually based on some truth. For sure, the more Chinese you know, the better will be your experience. Knowing at least some Chinese is one of the best ways to create guan xi with Chinese teachers. In my experience, alot of the disaster stories we both ha ve heard have more to do with the deficiencies of the Western students than the deficiencies of the Chinese. Like anywhere else, you've got to know how to work the system. The more you know, the more you will be able to learn. I've heard glowing accounts from one student and a disaster story from another student on the same tour with the same teachers and training at the same hospitals. Sorry, we no longer arrange or lead study trips to China. Too many hassles for the ROI. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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