Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Can someone help me with this horse? He (Eddie) has a suppurating sore on his withers that is spreading and deepening. It is not from a wound or a bite. The owner does not want to give Eddie any more antibiotics. I think this simple formula would be helpful: bai hua she (or chuan xin lian) and zi cao, both internally and as poultice. Any ideas about dosing? I can administer the cooled down soup via a large horse syringe into his mouth, if he will swallow it. What's the best way to do this? Frances -- Frances Gander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2003 Report Share Posted June 15, 2003 Frances: Have you heard of manuka honey? I know of people who have used it on their horses with great results. Honey has powerful antibiotic effects. Manaku honey is especially powerful due to some component that is imparted to the honey from the nector of the Manuka bush. This bush grows only in New Zealand. As a general rule Manuka honey is tested in lab for its antibiotic potency and is given a rating called the UMF factor. A UMF factor of 10 or greater would be what you would want. This would mean the the honey (as tested in a lab) is equivalent to 10% or greater carbolic solution (the standard for antiseptic). Manuka honey has also been tested against all antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria and found effective. It is now being used in hospitals in some countries as the preferred wound dressing because it is effective against staph and MRSA. Honey will also speed healing. You would need to apply the honey and keep it covered with gauze. The wound should be kept moist with the honey until healed. You can get UMF 18+ manuka that has been sterilized and approved by the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration as wound care product. Manuka honey was recently featured in a recent issue of WoundCare journal. I can't locate the issue to give the citation. I frequently speak on the use of honey and bee products. Invariably most of the people who come are nurses interested in more info on Manuka Honey. Barry Thorne >Frances Gander <fgander > > >Re: horse med. >Wed, 11 Jun 2003 21:57:28 -0400 > _______________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Can someone help me with this horse? He (Eddie) has a suppurating sore on his withers that is spreading and deepening. It is not from a wound or a bite. The owner does not want to give Eddie any more antibiotics. I think this simple formula would be helpful: bai hua she (or chuan xin lian) and zi cao, both internally and as poultice. Any ideas about dosing? I can administer the cooled down soup via a large horse syringe into his mouth, if he will swallow it. What's the best way to do this? Frances -- Frances Gander Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2003 Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 I've heard that honey is most effective when used raw and uncooked. The story is that heating destroys honey medical properties. Know of any truth to that? Curious, Ed Kasper LAc Santa Cruz, CA Message: 7 Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:03:48 +0000 " BARRY THORNE " <naturec Re: horse med. Frances: Have you heard of manuka honey? I know of people who have used it on their horses with great results. Honey has powerful antibiotic effects. Manaku honey is especially powerful due to some component that is imparted to the honey from the nector of the Manuka bush. This bush grows only in New Zealand. As a general rule Manuka honey is tested in lab for its antibiotic potency and is given a rating called the UMF factor. A UMF factor of 10 or greater would be what you would want. This would mean the the honey (as tested in a lab) is equivalent to 10% or greater carbolic solution (the standard for antiseptic). Manuka honey has also been tested against all antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria and found effective. It is now being used in hospitals in some countries as the preferred wound dressing because it is effective against staph and MRSA. Honey will also speed healing. You would need to apply the honey and keep it covered with gauze. The wound should be kept moist with the honey until healed. You can get UMF 18+ manuka that has been sterilized and approved by the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration as wound care product. Manuka honey was recently featured in a recent issue of WoundCare journal. I can't locate the issue to give the citation. I frequently speak on the use of honey and bee products. Invariably most of the people who come are nurses interested in more info on Manuka Honey. Barry Thorne --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release 6/5/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2003 Report Share Posted June 16, 2003 I have heard that too - i heard that honey turns toxic when cooked. Is that true?? Etiote: I've heard that honey is most effective when used raw and uncooked. Thestory is that heating destroys honey medical properties. Know of any truthto that?Curious,Ed Kasper LAc Santa Cruz, CAMessage: 7 Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:03:48 +0000 "BARRY THORNE" <naturecRe: horse med.Frances:Have you heard of manuka honey? I know of people who have used it on theirhorses with great results. Honey has powerful antibiotic effects. Manakuhoney is especially powerful due to some component that is imparted to thehoney from the nector of the Manuka bush. This bush grows only in NewZealand. As a general rule Manuka honey is tested in lab for its antibioticpotency and is given a rating called the UMF factor. A UMF factor of 10 orgreater would be what you would want. This would mean the the honey (astested in a lab) is equivalent to 10% or greater carbolic solution (thestandard for antiseptic). Manuka honey has also been tested against allantibiotic resistant strains of bacteria and found effective. It is nowbeing used in hospitals in some countries as the preferred wound dressingbecause it is effective against staph and MRSA. Honey will also speedhealing. You would need to apply the honey and keep it covered with gauze.The wound should be kept moist with the honey until healed. You can get UMF18+ manuka that has been sterilized and approved by the AustralianTherapeutic Goods Administration as wound care product.Manuka honey was recently featured in a recent issue of WoundCare journal.I can't locate the issue to give the citation. I frequently speak on theuse of honey and bee products. Invariably most of the people who come arenurses interested in more info on Manuka Honey.Barry Thorne---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release 6/5/2003Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2003 Report Share Posted June 17, 2003 Ed, Guess it depends on what medicinal properties you are talking about. Cooking changes honey, like it does to everything else. For example, I think I remember from my notes somewhere that raw honey is used for constipation and cooked is used for diarrhea. Hmm... don't go out and try that at home first kids... I'd have to look it up! Geoff > __________ > > Message: 25 > Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:49:54 -0700 > " Ed Kasper LAc. www.HappyHerbalist.com " > <eddy > Re: horse med. > > I've heard that honey is most effective when used raw and > uncooked. The > story is that heating destroys honey medical properties. Know > of any truth > to that? > > Curious, > Ed Kasper LAc Santa Cruz, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2003 Report Share Posted June 18, 2003 Hi All, Barry intended to post to list and accidentally posted directly to me regarding my question. So here's my question followed by Barry's response. All the Best, Emmanuel > >"Emmanuel Segmen"> >"Barry & Laura Thorne" > >Fw: Re: horse med.> >Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:33:43 -0700> >> >Barry,> >> >When I grew up in the summers in Cape Cod, our best family friend had > >beehives and collected honey. In order to get the honey off the comb, he > >heated it. Isn't this an appropriate action?> >> >All the Best,> >Emmanuel > Emmanuel> > It is extremely difficult to get some honeys off the comb without some > heating. This varies with honey type. The reason for avoiding heating as > much as possible it that it destroys the enzymes in the honey. Without the > active enzymes you lose the antiseptic and digestive benefits. Thus > unheated honey is preferred because it removes the possibility of destroying > the enzymes with heat. Some honeys are lightly heated to below levels that > would kill the enzymes.> > Excessive and/or prolonged heating can destroy the bee-added natural > enzymes, esp. glucose oxidase. This enzyme is responsible for a reaction in > honey which creates hydrogen peroxide.> > This is but one of the antiseptic mechanisms of honey. Antiseptic effects > of honey can be attributed to a number of factors:> > Osmotic Effect - Honey is a super-saturated solution of sugars with an > osmotic effect that draws water away from micro-organisms. The growth of > many bacteria species are inhibited by honey diluted to 2-12%.> > Acidity - Honey is highly acidic (pH 3.2-4.5). Common bacteria in wounds > has been found to require a minimum pH of between 4 and 4.5. Thus honey is > well below the minumum pH levels for most wound bacteria. This will > diminish as the honey is diluted and buffered by body fluids.> > Hydrogen Peroxide - This is produced by the action of the enzyme glucose > oxidase on glucose. This is the most important antibacterial action of most > honey. It has been found that glucose oxidase is inactive in honey at its > normal moisture content. The enzyme moisture sensitive and is activated > when honey is diluted. When honey is diluted the glucose oxidase activity > increases from 2500 to 50,000 times and this provides a slow release of > hydrogen peroxide.> > Phytochemical factors - Honey also contains a range of flavonoids which are > known to have an antibacterial effect. In addition, phenolics and terpenes > may contribute.> > Scientists in New Zealand have deactivated the glucose oxidase activity in > Manuka honey by heating or by adding catalase (which destroys HP). The > Manuka Honey still shows a high level of antibacterial activity without > hydrogen peroxide.> > The antibacterial activity of honey has been shown to vary significantly (as > with propolis) based on the plants sources from which the honey is gathered. > Some honey will have little antibacterial activity. Studies have shown > generally good antibacterial activity with European honeydew and Sweet > Chestnut. Some studies have shown that 36% of honey tested had low or no > antibacterial effect.> > Manuka honey with the UMF rating has been assayed in a lab to ascertain the > antibacterial activity based on 4% carbolic acid solution as antiseptic > standard.> > Because of the variability, many prefer the Manuka for some degree of > antibacterial assurance.> > UMF4 = equivalent to at least 4% carbolic (4 - 9)> UMF10 = equivalent to at least 10% carbolic (10-17)> UMF18 = equivalent to at least 18% carbolic (18 and higher)> > Thus the UMF rating is an attempt to measure the activity of honey.> > Barry> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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