Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 I haven't received a digest since 6/10 1:45am. I caught up with the msgs on tho. And, thank goodness for all those ads! ;-) My wine has not yet aged, but fortunately I am not planning to serve them " me. " I think it's funny that the discussion rotates from " is anyone telling *them* about us? " (Re: ephedra, other doctors practicing our medicine, how we should be considered real doctors), and then suddenly to " not just anyone can go out there and represent us. " The paralysis of analysis. That's great for within the profession, but it keeps us invisible to everyone else. As I've said, I haven't seen anyone else stepping forward to do some of these jobs- talking to the public on a mass scale, talking to the press. Our field is replete with wonderfully educated and interesting scholars and practitioners- many of whom participate on this list. Maybe what you all do best ISN'T writing to the public. So let someone else do that, if you don't have the passion or ability... so it is in many things. I wish I were passionate about learning Chinese. But I'm not. Do we all have to learn it? Let's all be carbon copies and see how far we get. Everyone has a passionate ability to be used in moving our profession forward. By the way, I must repeat my belief that very few people have done serious work in trying to translate this medicine into the layperson's terms. It is indeed difficult to try to be authentic and accurate but also understandable without sending every patient to Chinese medicine school for a year. Is there a book that is readable for the public and presents a thorough picture of the diversity of Oriental medicine? My idea was to present Chinese/Oriental medicine more thoroughly and authentically for the public than it has been so far. It'll be based on the best info we have in English plus whatever anyone is willing to contribute from their Chinese studies. It's up to you guys if you want to help make it accurate and participate or not. It's an opportunity for our profession, if my agent and I can get a publisher. She's putting together a list now, and we already have interest from some biggies. Some of the details discussed before are irrelevant to this effort - I could never get to a detail like what does huo/quicken really mean (even tho that was a cool insight), when people don't even know that acupuncture is based in a system of medicine, or that herbs aren't one herb for one disease... or about pattern discrimination. I mean we're talking BASIC here. The Web That Has No Weaver contains way too much detail- most people don't care about that. They just want to know things like how acu works in 50 words or less - and will it hurt - and what can it treat... basic. Because I'm still just slightly pungent grape juice (no offense taken Bob, just having fun with the analogy), I've already gathered about 30 'experts' in all kinds of areas (CM, WM, biochem, placebo, preventive, etc.), and the list is still open. Feel free to volunteer. Or stay in the armchair and take potshots if that's where you're most comfortable. Sorry to be so caustic, but I'm tired of the in-fighting and inaction. I enjoy reading everyone's opinions, but does anyone agree on anything? B Brian Benjamin Carter, M.Sci., L.Ac. http://www.pulsemed.org/briancarterbio.htm Acupuncturist & Herbalist Editor, The Pulse of Oriental Medicine Columnist, Acupuncture Today (619) 208-1432 San Diego (866) 206-9069 x 5284 Tollfree Voicemail The PULSE of Oriental Medicine http://www.pulsemed.org/ The General Public's Guide to Chinese Medicine since 1999... 9 Experts, 240+ Articles, 195,000+ readers.... Our free e-zine BEING WELL keeps you up to date Sign up NOW. Send a blank email to: beingwellnewsletter- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 , " Brian Carter " <bbcarter@p...> wrote: > I haven't received a digest since 6/10 1:45am. I caught up with the msgs on > tho. And, thank goodness for all those ads! ;-) > > My wine has not yet aged, but fortunately I am not planning to serve them > " me. " > > I think it's funny that the discussion rotates from " is anyone telling > *them* about us? " (Re: ephedra, other doctors practicing our medicine, how > we should be considered real doctors), and then suddenly to " not just anyone > can go out there and represent us. " The paralysis of analysis. That's > great for within the profession, but it keeps us invisible to everyone else. > > As I've said, I haven't seen anyone else stepping forward to do some of > these jobs- talking to the public on a mass scale, talking to the press. > Our field is replete with wonderfully educated and interesting scholars and > practitioners- many of whom participate on this list. Maybe what you all do > best ISN'T writing to the public. So let someone else do that, if you don't > have the passion or ability... so it is in many things. I wish I were > passionate about learning Chinese. But I'm not. Do we all have to learn > it? Let's all be carbon copies and see how far we get. Brian, Hello, yes Boulder is Nice hope Cali is treating you well…. I think the point maybe missed. Writing about simple ideas to the public is one thing... YES this needs to be done, and you have every right to do so... and I think you are doing a good job, so keep it up, BUT... The YNBY is not a simple idea to the public. You made claims that are unsubstantiated. If an MD said the same thing we would all go ballistic. Your idea that YNBY does what it does was purely based on your idea of what you thought 1 ingredient in the Rx (san qi) does... and this was even limited. Fact: we have not uncovered any case of YNBY causing the problems that were mentioned. Fact: there were easily available sources (which BTW i obtained at PCOM) that contradict your stance. I did not see any source that confirmed many of your statements. My personally belief, if it is not common knowledge and agreed upon by 99% of the profession, you need a citation. IF you don't have it don't write it, because this may perpetuate serious MSU… Therefore the topic was not well researched... It was an opinion, and errors were produced. This is not educating the public, this is scaring the public. This is not teaching them about acupuncture and herbs, but dividing us. There are plenty of things to write about that are easy and straightforward. IF you find a topic that is so controversial or you don't really understand it, then IMO, you have a choice, research it like crazy, or when you present it, you can say : Hey this a very controversial treatment (presenting both sides)– the profession is unsure, proceed with caution. Or as has been mentioned, ask the CHA. Or leave it alone… Some things will be best tackled by those who read CHinese... So I think everyone here does agree that accurate inforamtion is important for the public & our profession... Take care & keep writing, - Everyone has a > passionate ability to be used in moving our profession forward. > > By the way, I must repeat my belief that very few people have done serious > work in trying to translate this medicine into the layperson's terms. It is > indeed difficult to try to be authentic and accurate but also understandable > without sending every patient to Chinese medicine school for a year. > > Is there a book that is readable for the public and presents a thorough > picture of the diversity of Oriental medicine? My idea was to present > Chinese/Oriental medicine more thoroughly and authentically for the public > than it has been so far. It'll be based on the best info we have in English > plus whatever anyone is willing to contribute from their Chinese studies. > It's up to you guys if you want to help make it accurate and participate or > not. It's an opportunity for our profession, if my agent and I can get a > publisher. She's putting together a list now, and we already have interest > from some biggies. > > Some of the details discussed before are irrelevant to this effort - I could > never get to a detail like what does huo/quicken really mean (even tho that > was a cool insight), when people don't even know that acupuncture is based > in a system of medicine, or that herbs aren't one herb for one disease... or > about pattern discrimination. I mean we're talking BASIC here. The Web > That Has No Weaver contains way too much detail- most people don't care > about that. They just want to know things like how acu works in 50 words or > less - and will it hurt - and what can it treat... basic. > > Because I'm still just slightly pungent grape juice (no offense taken Bob, > just having fun with the analogy), I've already gathered about 30 'experts' > in all kinds of areas (CM, WM, biochem, placebo, preventive, etc.), and the > list is still open. Feel free to volunteer. Or stay in the armchair and > take potshots if that's where you're most comfortable. > > Sorry to be so caustic, but I'm tired of the in-fighting and inaction. I > enjoy reading everyone's opinions, but does anyone agree on anything? > > B > > > > Brian Benjamin Carter, M.Sci., L.Ac. > http://www.pulsemed.org/briancarterbio.htm > Acupuncturist & Herbalist > Editor, The Pulse of Oriental Medicine > Columnist, Acupuncture Today > (619) 208-1432 San Diego > (866) 206-9069 x 5284 Tollfree Voicemail > > The PULSE of Oriental Medicine > http://www.pulsemed.org/ > The General Public's Guide to Chinese > Medicine since 1999... 9 Experts, > 240+ Articles, 195,000+ readers.... > > Our free e-zine BEING WELL keeps you > up to date Sign up NOW. Send a blank email to: > beingwellnewsletter-@t... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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