MLB and ephedra

[Guest guest]

I heard about the heatstroke and had a hunch ephedra was involved. now I

hear this. so are we getting stronger or is the opposition finding more

allies.

 

 

 

" Robert L. Felt " <bob

 

 

Major League Baseball is now calling

for a ban on ephedra after the young pitcher died of heat stroke while

taking an diet supplement.

[Guest guest]

I was just interviewed on this very topic by a columnist for the Philadelphia Inquirer. Ugh. He does seem interested in presenting it fairly. The pitcher took Xenadrine. I’m posting the ingredients below: It is my understanding ( but I haven’t confirmed it) that he did NOT take it as directed. Nonetheless: the product contains Zhi ke or Shi for the synephrine as well as guarana. If taken as directed, it supplies 240 mgs of caffeine daily. That’s on top of what people are already taking daily as coffee, Cola or tea.

And what if they are taking a med that modulates dopamine receptors like welbutrin-

 

Cara

 

 

SUPPLEMENT FACTS

<<...OLE_Obj...>>

<<...OLE_Obj...>> XENADRINE® RFA-1

 

[Xenadrine Home </products/xenadrine/default.asp>] [Technical Data

</products/xenadrine/tech_data.asp>] [Order Direct </order.asp>]

Serving size: 2 caps, Servings per container: 60

Each serving provides:

Pantothenic Acid...40mg (calcium pantothenate)

Bitter Orange...85mg (fruit & root)(standardized to 5mg Synephrine)

Ma Huang...335mg (plant)(standardized for 20mg Ephedrine)

Guarana Extract...910mg (seed)(standardized to 200mg Caffeine)

Proprietary Thermosynergist Blend...390mg (White Willow Bark Extract

(standardized for 15mg Salicin), L-Tyrosine, Ginger Root,

3,3',4',7-Tetrahydroxyflavone, Magnesium Phosphate, DMAE

(2-dimethylaminoethanol), Acetyl L-Carnitine, Green Tea Extract, Acetyl

L-Tyrosine, Quercetin)

 

Recommended Use:

Take two capsules before breakfast or morning exercise session, and two more

capsules at mid-afternoon. Begin use with one-half the recommended dose (one

capsule twice per day) for the first seven days to assess your tolerance. DO

NOT EXCEED FOUR CAPSULES PER DAY.

Please note: This product contains caffeine and Salicin (a precursor to

aspirin), and should not be taken by individuals wishing to eliminate these

ingredients from their diet. *For best results, use as part of a reduced-fat

diet and exercise program.

Warning: Not intended for use by anyone under the age of 18. Do not use if

you are pregnant or nursing. Consult a physician or licensed health

professional before using this product if you are at risk of, have a family

history of, or are being treated for heart disease, high blood pressure,

recurrent headaches, liver, thyroid, or psychiatric disease, diabetes,

pernicious anemia, glaucoma, nervousness, anxiety, depression, seizure

disorder, cardiac arrhythmia, stroke, pheochromacytoma, difficulty in

urination or prostate enlargement. Do not use if you are taking a monoamine

oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) (or two weeks after taking an MAOI) or any other

prescription drug containing ephedrine, pseudoephedrine or

phenylpropanolamine (ingredients found in certain allergy, asthma,

cough/cold and weight control products). Exceeding recommended serving will

not improve results and may cause serious adverse health effects, including

heart attack and stroke. Discontinue use and call a healthcare professional

immediately if you experience rapid heartbeat, dizziness, severe headache,

shortness of breath or similar symptoms. Individuals who consume additional

caffeine with this product may experience serious adverse health effects.

Each serving contains 20 mg of ephedrine alkaloids.

Keep out of the reach of children. Not for use by or sale to individuals

under the age of 18.

The maximum recommended dosage of ephedrine for a healthy adult is no more

than 25 mg per serving and no more than 100 mg in a 24-hour period for not

more than 12 weeks. Improper use of ephedrine may be hazardous to a person's

health.

 

 

I heard about the heatstroke and had a hunch ephedra was involved. now I

hear this. so are we getting stronger or is the opposition finding more

allies.

 

 

 

" Robert L. Felt " <bob

 

 

Major League Baseball is now calling

for a ban on ephedra after the young pitcher died of heat stroke while

taking an diet supplement.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Last night on Fox news the mother of the baseball player was on,

talking about her lobbying efforts against ephedra (to get it banned or

regulated). However, she pointed out that there is a lot of 'industry

pressure' to keep it legal and available.

 

Stay tuned.

 

 

On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 01:12 PM, wrote:

 

> I heard about the heatstroke and had a hunch ephedra was involved. now

> I

> hear this. so are we getting stronger or is the opposition finding

> more

> allies.

[Guest guest]

Does anyone here know the ratio of

ephedrine contained in ma huang; i.e. 10 grams of ma huang

yields ??millegrams of ephedrine?

 

TIA

 

Rory

--

[Guest guest]

Rory:

For the dried herb, I have a ratio of l% (e.g., 3.75mg of ephedrine per 375mg aerial ephedra (source Solaray). Ratio in tinctures are less exact than this figure for the dried herb, e.g., HerbPharm lists 1.6 to 2.2 mg ephedrine per 25 drops of their Ma Huang tincture.

Neal

 

-

Rory Kerr

Thursday, February 20, 2003 11:39 PM

Re: MLB and ephedra

 

Does anyone here know the ratio of ephedrine contained in ma huang; i.e. 10 grams of ma huang yields ??millegrams of ephedrine?

 

TIA

 

Rory-- Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

[Guest guest]

In the xenadrine it says : 335 mgs ephedra standardized to 20 mgs ephedrine. I still am unclear what that really means in terms of it’s impact . further: that is the amount I one pill. 6 pills are recommended daily for a total of 2010 mgs ephedra and 120 mgs ephedrine. so: to do the math: 21 grams: 7 qian each and every day. Wow! the normal range is 3-9 grams, no?

 

In my weekly bags, when I choose to use ma huang, I do so in very small does- it attentuates a formula really well. I use 3 qian/9 gms in a WEEK. I usually use Di long with it. This is an effective way to “ stretch” the ma huang. I only use it in larger doses very short term : one decisive dose of xiao qing long tang for wind-cold w/ cold phlegm e.g..

 

Cara

 

Does anyone here know the ratio of ephedrine contained in ma huang; i.e. 10 grams of ma huang yields ??millegrams of ephedrine?

 

TIA

 

Rory

 

 

--

Cara O. Frank, R.Ac

herbbabe

China Herb Company

[Guest guest]

Who are our allies? In terms of lobbying efforts etc, I'm glad to hear

of coalitions between our profession and the suplement industry. I

believe I've heard of some relations that have already been made. The

supplement industry has a much stronger lobby & more money than we do.

Nobody thinks twice if someone o/d's on sleeping pills, but we have

ridiculous lawsuits in the US when someone burns themselves by spilling

coffee in their lap, obese people suing companies for making them fat

(Watch out Krispy Kreme!), and suing cigarette companies for their

cancer. We need deep pockets to protect our practice here, and I

support the efforts to find these strange bedfellows who we can join

with for media and lobbying efforts. The general poplulace is ready to

pounce all over us when something like this tragedy happens (what's the

ratio here? 1:1,000,000?), but generally don't care that perscription

medication side effects are one of the top five killers in the US.

 

Geoff

 

> __________

>

> " " <zrosenbe

> Re: MLB and ephedra

>

> Last night on Fox news the mother of the baseball player was on,

> talking about her lobbying efforts against ephedra (to get it

> banned or

> regulated). However, she pointed out that there is a lot of

> 'industry

> pressure' to keep it legal and available.

>

> > I heard about the heatstroke and had a hunch ephedra was

> involved. now

> > I

> > hear this. so are we getting stronger or is the opposition finding

> > more

> > allies.

[Guest guest]

, " Geoffrey Hudson " <

list@a...> wrote:

In terms of lobbying efforts etc, I'm glad to hear

> of coalitions between our profession and the suplement industry.

 

I do not consider them our allies. their sole purpose is to do an end run

around licensed practitioners and market supplements directly to the public.

while they agree with us on maintaining access to most supplements, any

appearance of alliance is not for our benefit. The one thing that one would

dramatically decrease sales of these items would be if the industry took the

position that they are best used with an herbalist's advice. the huge profits

in

the supplement industry depend on uneducated consumers being swayed by

advertisers to buy things they do not need. We have an ethical duty to give

proper medical care and we should be wary to ally ourselves in any way with

those whose sole motive is profit regardless of potential for harm. the end

result of unfettered corprate freedom in this area will inevitably be a

regulatory

backlash of immense proportions when politics swings left again.

 

If we do not work with the government to prevent corporate abuse, we will be

perceived as bad as them and when they lose their rights to make many OTC

products, we will simultaneously lose our rights to prescribe these same

products professionally. How can people not see that the only way the

professional use of ma huang was preserved in suffolk county was through

such compromise. If we had sided with the diet pill makers, then we also

would have lost our prescribing rights, as well. In my heart of hearts, I say

let

people take any poison they please. But this position, while philosophically

correct to me, is a long lost political battle. It makes no sense to me to hold

true to this libertarian sentiment and watch the government take my materia

medica away. I guess when I have nothing else left, I will still have my

integrity, right? No, if I lose the ability to care for my patients, I will

have no

integrity at all.

 

[Guest guest]

Does anyone here know the ratio of ephedrine contained in ma huang; i.e. 10 grams of ma huang yields ??millegrams of ephedrine?

>>>It would change from Bach to Batch. If a mg number is given for ephedrine than its pharmaceutical

Alon

[Guest guest]

Rory,

Ma huang contains a total of 1.5% of a family of ephedrine molecules. From one source the pseudoephidrine is higher, and from another source the ephedrine is higher. The American "energy" products contain cystalline extracts of individual USP molecules, mainly left handed chirality pseudoephedrine, 98%. It generally comes from factories in western China where ma huang harvesting happens by September and production is complete by early January. Marketing proceeds for the rest of the year. It's sold by the metric ton. American companies generally pay in advance of the September harvesting to guarantee their company's production needs.

Emmanuel Segmen

 

-

Rory Kerr

Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:39 PM

Re: MLB and ephedra

 

Does anyone here know the ratio of ephedrine contained in ma huang; i.e. 10 grams of ma huang yields ??millegrams of ephedrine?

 

TIA

 

Rory-- Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

[Guest guest]

I received in the mail, and maybe you did to, a glossy flyer advertizing "the new super-pill" Zantrex-3, advertizing 546% more weight loss than Xenadrine RFA-". I am certainly not pumping them, but was curious about ingredients so googled it and this site gives ing.: http://www.bodyworx.com/zantrex_3.html. Another site had Warning: "Contains > 320 mg caffeine per serving". The Ing. list doesn't copy/paste well here, but it has all the big zappy herbal speedos. And since caffeine isn't prohibited for sports events, this type combo looks to be the next big fallback. BTW, it also contains the Chinese wonder drugs ginseng (2 kinds!) and Schizonepeta.

 

Weekend whoopie starts now. (Actually any one of these herbs alone would work for me...does that make me a wimp? ;-)

 

ann

I was just interviewed on this very topic by a columnist for the Philadelphia Inquirer. Ugh. He does seem interested in presenting it fairly. The pitcher took Xenadrine. I’m posting the ingredients below: It is my understanding ( but I haven’t confirmed it) that he did NOT take it as directed. Nonetheless: the product contains Zhi ke or Shi for the synephrine as well as guarana. If taken as directed, it supplies 240 mgs of caffeine daily. That’s on top of what people are already taking daily as coffee, Cola or tea. And what if they are taking a med that modulates dopamine receptors like welbutrin-CaraSUPPLEMENT FACTS <<...OLE_Obj...>> <<...OLE_Obj...>> XENADRINE® RFA-1[Xenadrine Home </products/xenadrine/default.asp>] [Technical Data</products/xenadrine/tech_data.asp>] [Order Direct </order.asp>] Serving size: 2 caps, Servings per container: 60 Each serving provides: Pantothenic Acid...40mg (calcium pantothenate) Bitter Orange...85mg (fruit & root)(standardized to 5mg Synephrine) Ma Huang...335mg (plant)(standardized for 20mg Ephedrine) Guarana Extract...910mg (seed)(standardized to 200mg Caffeine) Proprietary Thermosynergist Blend...390mg (White Willow Bark Extract(standardized for 15mg Salicin), L-Tyrosine, Ginger Root,3,3',4',7-Tetrahydroxyflavone, Magnesium Phosphate, DMAE(2-dimethylaminoethanol), Acetyl L-Carnitine, Green Tea Extract, AcetylL-Tyrosine, Quercetin)Recommended Use: Take two capsules before breakfast or morning exercise session, and two morecapsules at mid-afternoon. Begin use with one-half the recommended dose (onecapsule twice per day) for the first seven days to assess your tolerance. DONOT EXCEED FOUR CAPSULES PER DAY.Please note: This product contains caffeine and Salicin (a precursor toaspirin), and should not be taken by individuals wishing to eliminate theseingredients from their diet. *For best results, use as part of a reduced-fatdiet and exercise program. Warning: Not intended for use by anyone under the age of 18. Do not use ifyou are pregnant or nursing. Consult a physician or licensed healthprofessional before using this product if you are at risk of, have a familyhistory of, or are being treated for heart disease, high blood pressure,recurrent headaches, liver, thyroid, or psychiatric disease, diabetes,pernicious anemia, glaucoma, nervousness, anxiety, depression, seizuredisorder, cardiac arrhythmia, stroke, pheochromacytoma, difficulty inurination or prostate enlargement. Do not use if you are taking a monoamineoxidase inhibitor (MAOI) (or two weeks after taking an MAOI) or any otherprescription drug containing ephedrine, pseudoephedrine orphenylpropanolamine (ingredients found in certain allergy, asthma,cough/cold and weight control products). Exceeding recommended serving willnot improve results and may cause serious adverse health effects, includingheart attack and stroke. Discontinue use and call a healthcare professionalimmediately if you experience rapid heartbeat, dizziness, severe headache,shortness of breath or similar symptoms. Individuals who consume additionalcaffeine with this product may experience serious adverse health effects.Each serving contains 20 mg of ephedrine alkaloids.Keep out of the reach of children. Not for use by or sale to individualsunder the age of 18.The maximum recommended dosage of ephedrine for a healthy adult is no morethan 25 mg per serving and no more than 100 mg in a 24-hour period for notmore than 12 weeks. Improper use of ephedrine may be hazardous to a person'shealth.

I heard about the heatstroke and had a hunch ephedra was involved. now I hear this. so are we getting stronger or is the opposition finding more allies.