Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 How about Benadryl (diphenhydraine)?disperses or scatters the qi >>>>>>That does not explain the drying atropine like action Alon - pemachophel2001 Friday, December 21, 2001 2:49 PM Re: Digest Number 816 Fernando,Alon was asking for an example of trying to work out the CM description of a Western med. I suggest we take you question and work on it from this approach. I'll start the ball rolling by suggesting that Western antihistamines aggravate or may even cause prostatism due to their ability to scatter the qi. Since, in CM, the flow of urine is dependent on the power of the qi, a medicine that strongly disperses or scatters the qi might damage the kidney and bladder qi mechanism. If that's the hypothesis, does all other clinical (not pharmacodynamic) information about antihistamines fit this hypothesis when that information is reframed into CM terminology and the four examinations? I'm going to also suggest that we talk about a specific antihistamine rather than the whole class. How about Benadryl (diphenhydraine)?Anyone want to play?(Sorry to say, I'll be out of town till the 28th. So I won't be able to join the discussion till then. is there some way you can send me this particular thread so it is waiting for me on the 28th? Just a thought.), "fbernall" <fbernall@a...> wrote:> , Al Stone <alstone@b...> wrote:> > > > > > 1 wrote:> > > > > Z'ev's right. there is no way in hell we are getting OMD. The > MD's> > > will block it with their lobby.> > > > Damned lobby! Why can't they just have an vestibule like everybody > else!> > > Really looking forward to "integration"!> > Question: Does anyone know which exterior releasing herbs, if any, > have antihistamine-like properties? The reason I ask, is that during > the few years of my practice, I've heard complaints from male patients > who have taken patent formulas such as Bi Yuan Pian regarding > difficulty in urination. At first I did not give it much thought. > However, recently I've had the same complaint from a pt with some W/H > symptoms similar to a Cang er zi san syndrome for whom I wrote an rx > to fit the pattern.> > I did a search on the web and found a site where it warns against the > use of antihistamines and BPH. Here's what it said at: > (www.prostate90.com/prostate_cancer/antihistamines.html), > "Antihistamines (AHs) are definitely a no no for individuals with BPH. > They restrict urinary flow. As a matter of fact, some surgery patients > are prescribed AHs to stop the "dribbles". > > I can speculate that the patent rx might've been mixed with some w/m > medication. But my rx did not have any herbs of stringent nature, nor > does my pt have any urination difficulty hx.> > Any thoughts on this? could it just be a coincidence? > > FernandoChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 I think the reason for this supposition, Alon, is that Chinese medicinals that disperse qi from the exterior can be warm, bitter and drying, such as qiang huo. On Friday, December 21, 2001, at 05:48 PM, ALON MARCUS wrote: > How about Benadryl (diphenhydraine)? > disperses or scatters the qi > >>>>>>That does not explain the drying atropine like action > Alon > > - > pemachophel2001 > > Friday, December 21, 2001 2:49 PM > Re: Digest Number 816 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2001 Report Share Posted December 23, 2001 is that Chinese medicinals that disperse qi from the exterior >>>Zev I do not think the original post had to do with exterior dispersing medicines. I think Todd was the first to bring this up Alon - Saturday, December 22, 2001 7:42 PM Re: Re: Digest Number 816 I think the reason for this supposition, Alon, is that Chinese medicinals that disperse qi from the exterior can be warm, bitter and drying, such as qiang huo.On Friday, December 21, 2001, at 05:48 PM, ALON MARCUS wrote: How about Benadryl (diphenhydraine)?disperses or scatters the qi >>>>>>That does not explain the drying atropine like actionAlon-pemachophel2001 Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:49 PM Re: Digest Number 816 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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