Guest guest Posted November 23, 2001 Report Share Posted November 23, 2001 Hey I have a question for you. I use powdered extracts too, but I often get the sense that formulas with less ingredients will be more effective than those with many ingredients. When you have a formula made up of bulk herbs, you just add more water and so with more ingredients you'll be drinking more tea. But when you are limited to five caps, three times daily (or whatever dosage modification you chose) then you end up giving the patient the same amount of herb material but with much less per herb in each capsule. Do you increase the dosage of capsules with formulas that have a high number of ingredients? -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2001 Report Share Posted November 23, 2001 Al, I'm sure that Todd will reply in a more informative way, but you are right --- as long as you use the capsules. Personally, I use the granules in teaspoon administration manner. That way, if you want X grams of xin yi hua, you calculate their total dosage with that goal in mind. Thus, more ingredients = higher dosage = more teaspoons. Mark Reese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2001 Report Share Posted November 23, 2001 , Al Stone <alstone@b...> wrote: when you > are limited to five caps, three times daily (or whatever dosage > modification you chose) then you end up giving the patient the same > amount of herb material but with much less per herb in each capsule. > > Do you increase the dosage of capsules with formulas that have a high > number of ingredients? > I determine how much herb I want to deliver to the patient and adjust the dose accordingly. So If I have a ten herb formula and I want to deliver an average of 1.5 per herb per day, the dose would be more like 10 caps TID (10 herbs X 1.5g each = 15g per day; at .5 g/cap, this would equal 30 caps/day); though I rarely use caps as this gets quite expensive at this dose. Also I do find granules work at SLIGHTLY lower dose equivalents than their concentration ratio would suggest, probably due to more efficient cooking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2001 Report Share Posted November 23, 2001 wrote: > I determine how much herb I want to deliver to the patient and adjust > the dose accordingly. So do you begin with the common dosages i.e. 6-9 grams, and then divide by 5 to arrive at the desired daily quantity? Some manufacturers say that their products are 6:1, some say 5:1. Do you believe them? Is there an average concentration that you assume when making these computations? -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2001 Report Share Posted November 24, 2001 - Some manufacturers say that their products are 6:1, some say 5:1. Doyou believe them? >>>It depends on the herb. For example minerals are often much lower. You can not generalise on all the herbs, even from the same manufecturer. But I hope in general it true. What I can tell you is that several years ago I analized all the Taiwanise herbs and found them to all look very similar. They do however use diffrent carriers and sulvents, for example, one had acidic acid in all the samples Alon Alon Al Stone Friday, November 23, 2001 10:35 PM Re: Re: Extract Powder Ingredients wrote:> I determine how much herb I want to deliver to the patient and adjust> the dose accordingly. So do you begin with the common dosages i.e. 6-9 grams, and then divideby 5 to arrive at the desired daily quantity? Some manufacturers say that their products are 6:1, some say 5:1. Doyou believe them? Is there an average concentration that you assume when making these computations?-- Al Stone L.Ac.<AlStonehttp://www.BeyondWellBeing.comPain is inevitable, suffering is optional.Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2001 Report Share Posted November 24, 2001 , Al Stone <alstone@b...> wrote: > > > So do you begin with the common dosages i.e. 6-9 grams, and then divide > by 5 to arrive at the desired daily quantity? exactly and I have been doing this for 14 years > > Some manufacturers say that their products are 6:1, some say 5:1. Do > you believe them? they are made under government controls, so yes. > > Is there an average concentration that you assume when making these computations? If the company says 5:1, I use this as an average. I do agree with Alon that minerals are probably much less. And how about mang xiao, a pure salt? A decoction dissolves the salt and drying precipitates it. But it is already as concentrated as it can get in raw form, I believe. So perhaps we should use mang xiao bulk and also use things like long gu bulk. But should we get cooked bulk long gu so it is sterile? Is it? the things about powders is that they are free of heavy metals, bacteria and fungi. This is a major concern for those with immune disorders or poor liver function and some of these contaminants are not destroyed by home cooking. the only guarantee one has is lab ananlysis of the finished product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2001 Report Share Posted November 24, 2001 But should we get cooked bulk long gu so it is sterile? Is it? the things about powders is that they are free of heavy metals, bacteria and fungi. >>>I agree although I am not sure they are free more accurately is they are at acceptable levels Alon - Saturday, November 24, 2001 11:37 AM Re: Extract Powder Ingredients , Al Stone <alstone@b...> wrote:> > > So do you begin with the common dosages i.e. 6-9 grams, and then divide> by 5 to arrive at the desired daily quantity?exactly and I have been doing this for 14 years > > Some manufacturers say that their products are 6:1, some say 5:1. Do> you believe them?they are made under government controls, so yes. > > Is there an average concentration that you assume when making these computations?If the company says 5:1, I use this as an average. I do agree with Alon that minerals are probably much less. And how about mang xiao, a pure salt? A decoction dissolves the salt and drying precipitates it. But it is already as concentrated as it can get in raw form, I believe. So perhaps we should use mang xiao bulk and also use things like long gu bulk. But should we get cooked bulk long gu so it is sterile? Is it? the things about powders is that they are free of heavy metals, bacteria and fungi. This is a major concern for those with immune disorders or poor liver function and some of these contaminants are not destroyed by home cooking. the only guarantee one has is lab ananlysis of the finished product.ToddChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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