Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 I was thinking today about the recent thread concerning cannabis. It occurred to me that there was little if any mention of the psychotropic properties of this herb. The discussion focused on questions related to the physiological effects, pulse characteristics, pathological implications, and so on. But I don't recall anyone digging into what seems to me to be one of the more fascinating aspects of such herbs, i.e. their capacity to influence neural chemistry and thus mentation including perception, cognition, and their consequences. I'm curious to know the viewpoints out there on this psychotropic issue. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 I can't tell you much about the psychotropic effects but I can tell you about some of the clinical experiences I have seen of long term users. In British Columbia, Canada where I practise there is an abundance of very high grade concentrated pot with the highest TCH levels any where. The most significant signs I see are of Kidney Jing deficiency and Liver and Kidney Yin Deficiency. The most common complaint is tendon problems, tremors or spasms. Cannabis is a hot, severely dry herb and is usually combined with alcohol, if only one or two beer. The pschoactive substance is as a result of as Paul Ritchford writes in Healing with Whole Foods P. 656 " their high results from large amounts of transformed jing essence being sent to the brain ... in which the Kidney essence becomes depleted. " He mentions several studies and chemical reactions. Anyone who has treated long term pot users will notice a lack of Shen or real presence in the person. The other common complaint a pot user has is the desire to quit but without any will to counter their addiction because they've depleted their essential kidney organ. We don't need another substance like pot to dry out the brains and will of our society. We do need as herbalists, to let patients know what they are dealing with in using pot as a daily substance. I commoly use Fx like Healthy Brain Pills Modified to accomodate the Yin and Essence deficiences. The American Indians would use Calamus or in TCM Shi Chang Pu to open up the brain's orfices blocked by the sticky THC phlegm. But getting them to practise Qi Gong can show them another way to feel in touch with a sense of universal energy. " Ken Rose " <cosmic.dragon > > > Question about cannabis >Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:09:53 -0800 > >I was thinking today about the recent thread concerning >cannabis. It occurred to me that there was little if any >mention of the psychotropic properties of this herb. The >discussion focused on questions related to the physiological >effects, pulse characteristics, pathological implications, >and so on. > >But I don't recall anyone digging into what seems to me to >be one of the more fascinating aspects of such herbs, i.e. >their capacity to influence neural chemistry and thus mentation >including perception, cognition, and their consequences. > >I'm curious to know the viewpoints out there on this >psychotropic issue. > > >Ken > > > > > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2001 Report Share Posted February 9, 2001 In a message dated 2/9/01 8:54:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, rodleblancdtcm writes: << I commoly use Fx like Healthy Brain Pills Modified to accomodate the Yin and Essence deficiences. The American Indians would use Calamus or in TCM Shi Chang Pu to open up the brain's orfices blocked by the sticky THC phlegm. But getting them to practise Qi Gong can show them another way to feel in touch with a sense of universal energy. >> Rod, and what do you use to unblock the sticky THC phlegm in the lung? I have a patient who smoked heavily for 13 years and would even cough up tarry phlegm with blood and would continue smoking. She now has deep seated sticky phlegm in the lung and some shen problems. Some on the list may remember that she requested to use lobelia inflata, and it caused severe vomiting and diarrhea and a lot of phlegm came up. She is better, but still has some lung phlegm. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2001 Report Share Posted February 10, 2001 >Rod, and what do you use to unblock the sticky THC phlegm in the lung Greetings Julie I guess that given her long term use of the pot and that her phlegm is sticky, and blood streaked (even now?) that she has lung and possibly kidney yin deficiency and or that there is some phlegm heat involved. For the yin deficiency part I commonly use chuaan bei mu because of it's cooler and moistening effect with appropriate yin tonics like sha shen, mai dong, tian dong, sheng di, shu di, bai he, xuan shen, etc. with appropriate hemostatics like ce bai ye, san qi, ou jie, bai mao gen. Should there be heat and thicker or profuse phlegm heat, I would use dong gua ren and it works well with yu xing cao, huang qin and again other appropriate hemostatics. Rod _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2001 Report Share Posted February 10, 2001 The most common complaint is tendon problems, tremors or spasms. >>>I agree except that it is ligamentous weakness that often occurs. The spasm and tremors or secondary affects or the body trying to stabilize the joints. Pot smokers tend to overstretch because of tension they feel during the time they feel high. Whatever the theoretical mechanism for the resulting ligamentous weakness, that is the end result most often. It is interesting that many pot smokers say it helps their chronic pain and tension but I believe it actually results in a viscous cycle of tension and overstretch. After many years in their 40's their muscles are soft and feel aged. Their joints have a hard endfeel and unstable. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2001 Report Share Posted February 11, 2001 Rod Le Blanc wrote: > For the yin deficiency part I commonly use chuaan bei mu because of it's > cooler and moistening effect ... This sentence followed the question of thick blood streaked phlegm in association with cannibis use. I'm curious about something. I've been teaching Chuan Bei Mu as an herb that treats phlegm as " substantial fire " . The premise being that heat in the Lungs dries up the Lung Yin and transforms that Yin into phlegm. I'm looking for feedback on the mechanism of Chuan Bei Mu. I teach that it turns the phlegm back into Yin rather than actually expelling the phlegm. So, this herb cools the substantial fire and transforms the phlegm back into yin. I've never heard this specifically expressed this way. Am I trippng? -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2001 Report Share Posted February 13, 2001 My experience says one can improve tremendously with cessation and herbs. _ Alon and Rod- Will the ligamentous weakness improve with treatment and cessation of use? I, too, treat patients with this symptom, but have only witnessed partial and temporary improvement with acupuncture alone (ie, they still use). Gina Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2001 Report Share Posted February 13, 2001 Alon and Rod- Will the ligamentous weakness improve with treatment and cessation of use? I, too, treat patients with this symptom, but have only witnessed partial and temporary improvement with acupuncture alone (ie, they still use). Gina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2001 Report Share Posted February 13, 2001 Will the ligamentous weakness improve with treatment and cessation of use?I, too, treat patients with this symptom, but have only witnessed partialandtemporary improvement with acupuncture alone (ie, they still use).>>>>>>>>Once a ligament looses it elasticity the only way to reaper it is by direct irritation Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2001 Report Share Posted February 13, 2001 , fourwolves@a... wrote: > Alon and Rod- > Will the ligamentous weakness improve with treatment and cessation of use? > I, too, treat patients with this symptom, but have only witnessed partial and > temporary improvement with acupuncture alone (ie, they still use). > Gina If they quite they can improve with acupuncture/massage and herbs. The best results come if they practise standing posture Qi Gong (One Finger Zen or Shaolin Nei Jin Qi Gong) because of the manner in which it integrates the whole body. This practise was initiated by Da Mo to strengthen the weak Shaolin Monks. It might be alot to ask but there is nothing better to practise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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