Guest guest Posted January 3, 2001 Report Share Posted January 3, 2001 on 1/3/01 10:19 AM, Will at will wrote: > Happy New Year everyone........ > In my experience the most common correlate of marijuana use is an empty left > guan position. This finding is so consistent that I encore specifically about > pot use when this pulse pattern is present. This pulse quality suggests a > Liver Qi Xu. It is interesting, we do not use the term Liver Qi Xu in modern > TCM parlance, however both Li Dong Yuen and Zhu Dan Xi utilize this term as > does John Shen. > Will Morris I have seen the liver pulse soft from long-term marijuana use. I think that not using the term gan qi yu/liver qi vacuity is an omission through oversimplification of terminology, not a conscious choice to delete it. See Qin Bo-wei Anthology. Qin Bo-wei, one of the architects of modern TCM, has a broad range of patterns for liver disorders in his text. Somehow in the Western textbooks, those patterns were edited greatly, causing a regrettable loss of detail for the practitioner and his/her ability to diagnose with a full deck of cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2001 Report Share Posted January 3, 2001 > Will wrote: > This pulse quality suggests a > > Liver Qi Xu. It is interesting, we do not use the term Liver Qi Xu in modern > > TCM parlance, however both Li Dong Yuen and Zhu Dan Xi utilize this term as > > does John Shen. > Somehow > in the Western textbooks, those patterns were edited greatly, causing a > regrettable loss of detail for the practitioner and his/her ability to > diagnose with a full deck of cards. Can you tell me the difference between Liver Qi Xu and Gall Bladder Qi Xu? Signs, symptoms, formula? -- Al Stone L.Ac. <AlStone http://www.BeyondWellBeing.com Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2001 Report Share Posted January 3, 2001 on 1/3/01 1:44 PM, Al Stone at alstone wrote: > > Can you tell me the difference between Liver Qi Xu and Gall Bladder Qi > Xu? Signs, symptoms, formula? Liver qi xu: pale lusterless complexion, pale lips, poor muscle strength, tendency to frighten easily, tinnitus and deafness. One prescription possiblity: nuan gan jian (liver warming decoction), to supplement yang qi and warm the liver (here there is a crossover of warming and supplementing liver yang AND qi. Almost always, liver blood is supplemented concurrently as well). I didn't have time to look up the Zhu Dan-xi and Li Dong-yuan prescriptions. . .perhaps Will knows of a few offhand. Gall bladder qi xu: timidity, difficult to make decisions, anxiety, tinnitus, hearing problems, dizzness, cloudy thinking, disturbed sleep, loose stool, , blurry vision, rib-side distention, sighing. prescription: modified wen dan tang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2001 Report Share Posted January 4, 2001 > , Will <will@e...> wrote: >Happy New Year everyone........ >In my experience the most common correlate of marijuana use is an empty >left guan position. This finding is so consistent that I encore >specifically about pot use when this pulse pattern is present. This >pulse quality suggests a Liver Qi Xu. It is interesting, we do not use >the term Liver Qi Xu in modern TCM parlance, however both Li Dong Yuen >and Zhu Dan Xi utilize this term as does John Shen. >Will Morris - At 9:51 PM -0800 1/3/01, wrote: >Liver qi xu: pale lusterless complexion, pale lips, poor muscle strength, >tendency to frighten easily, tinnitus and deafness. One prescription >possiblity: nuan gan jian (liver warming decoction), to supplement yang qi >and warm the liver (here there is a crossover of warming and supplementing >liver yang AND qi. --- I like to draw a distinction between a pulse finding and a pattern of disharmony. Will correctly uses the word " suggests " liver qi xu. Until their are other signs and symptoms, I believe it is hard to be certain whether the injury to the liver is to the qi or blood aspects, or both. In the absence of a functional disturbance, but with an empty left middle pulse, perhaps it is better to simply say 'liver vacuity' until a distinct pattern emerges, and to use gentle qi and blood support (eg. ba zhen tang +/-) for prevention/repair (as well as addressing the life issues involved). As Qin points out, liver qi and blood are very closely tied, and the pulse qualities, such as empty or fine indicate both both aspects. I would not want to stray into using formulas that address more functional disturbances or yin or yang deficiencies unless there was a distinct pattern. Rory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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