Guest guest Posted January 4, 2001 Report Share Posted January 4, 2001 Will Morris wrote: <<In my experience the most common correlate of marijuana use is an empty left guan position. This finding is so consistent that I encore specifically about pot use when this pulse pattern is present. This pulse quality suggests a Liver Qi Xu. It is interesting, we do not use the term Liver Qi Xu in modern TCM parlance, however both Li Dong Yuen and Zhu Dan Xi utilize this term as does John Shen. Will Morris>> Masakazu Ikeda says that he can tell the pot smokers at his Australian seminars by their pulse and abdominal conformation: Spleen deficiency with hardness in the Liver pulse and heat in the right subcostal area. ===== Robert Hayden, L.Ac. http://jabinet.net Photos - Share your holiday photos online! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2001 Report Share Posted January 4, 2001 hardness in the Liver pulse >>>How is this defined Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2001 Report Share Posted January 4, 2001 , > Will Morris wrote: > > <<In my experience the most common correlate of > marijuana use is an empty > left guan position. This finding is so consistent that > I encore > specifically about pot use when this pulse pattern is > present. r hayden <kampo36> wrote: > Masakazu Ikeda says that he can tell the pot smokers > at his Australian seminars by their pulse and > abdominal conformation: Spleen deficiency with > hardness in the Liver pulse and heat in the right > subcostal area. > I really think these type of statements assume that a substance affects all patients the same way. Yet differences in constitution make all the difference in herb effects. A drying herb hurts yin xu pt., but helps damp pt., for example. We wouldn't make such a carte blache statement about how cang zhu, for example, would impact the pulse,abdomen, etc. I have known many practitioners over the years who made similar claims about being able to detect pot smokers via pulse,tongue, etc. In many cases, I was privy to the truth, whilst the px was not. I would say those I observed did no better than a coin toss. Personally, I inquire about recreational substance use in all my patients regardless of pulse, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2001 Report Share Posted January 4, 2001 I really think these type of statements assume that a substance affects all patients the same way. Yet differences in constitution make all the difference in herb effects. A drying herb hurts yin xu pt., but helps damp pt., for example. We wouldn't make such a carte blache statement about how cang zhu, for example, would impact the pulse,abdomen, etc. I have known many practitioners over the years who made similar claims about being able to detect pot smokers via pulse,tongue, etc. In many cases, I was privy to the truth, whilst the px was not. I would say those I observed did no better than a coin toss. Personally, I inquire about recreational substance use in all my patients regardless of pulse, etc.>>>>How true alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Alon wrote: <<hardness in the Liver pulse >>>How is this defined Alon>> I'm just going from the transcript of the seminar, along with my personal notes. The only English description given was sunken and hard. Liver depression was the translation given (Ed Obaidey was the translator) for the pattern. I didn't write down the Sino-Japanese word, unfortunately. It was really mentioned in passing, that Ikeda sensei noticed this pattern among participants in his Australian seminars and when he inquired whether they imbibed alcohol or had Liver problems the answer was no. Further inquiry revealed recreational cannabis use, so Ikeda sensei drew the above mentioned conclusion. Maybe only applies to acupuncturist pot smokers from Oz. I thought it was interesting. It didn't get mentioned again that weekend, except for Ed joking with me about it. Interesting also was his assertion that pharmaceuticals don't always make pathological changes in the pulse (as some practitioners claim), and if the drug is well-prescribed the pulse will improve. Ikeda sensei was trained as a pharmacist, which is why he is able to practice Kampo in Japan. ===== Robert Hayden, L.Ac. http://jabinet.net Photos - Share your holiday photos online! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.