Guest guest Posted December 25, 2000 Report Share Posted December 25, 2000 When I first got interested in natural healthcare, it was because I had spent too much time partying in college about 20 years ago. So my experiences with drug culture are somewhat behind me in that I have not moved in such circles for a long time. However, I was acutely aware of differences in individual experience at that time. One of my best college buddies was a high school wrestler and soccer star. He was a very physical person who had no time for intellectual conversation or spiritual practices. He was also a talented artist, not so much creative, but rather able to perfectly duplicate the artwork of others. He used to copy very intricate album covers (anyone remember those) from heavy metal and rock bands. One of things I came to notice about this fellow early on was that he never got sick, never got tired, never even got a hangover. He would stay out till 3 am and wake up and landscape for 12 hours then party again. I, on the other hand, had frequent colds living this lifestyle, had horrible hangovers and was forever lacking enough vitality. I was raised in a sedentary lifestyle, overly intellectual, low quality food. My friend was raised with constant sports and his family grew most of their own food. At the time, I was not aware of this, but he probably had more jing and a much stronger spleen qi. When we smoked pot, we had very different effects. I would get a bit anxious, sit around and talk, listen to music, etc. This culminated in strong hunger. My friend would want to play sports like soccer and frisbee, which he could do for hours after smoking pot. And he was no uncoordinated slouch. To this day, I have never meant a more perfect physical specimen. He excelled at all sports. He was both extremely fast, agile and strong. He never had any trouble lifting a full keg of beer onto his shoulders and carrying it up 3 flights by himself, despite bing only 5'8 " and 165 lbs. When we tossed a frisbee on the roof of our dorm, he would scale the brick wall like a lizard to retrieve it. He could walk out on narrow tree limbs high above the ground and he could jump 20 feet to the ground and land like a cat. And all this while being stoned. If he was not doing this, he was painting huge murals on dorm walls. Most remarkably perhaps, was that smoking pot did not seem to consume his yin to cause hunger. I always wanted to eat soon after smoking, but my friend did not respond this way. While he had strong appetite, he basically ate 2-3 big meals per day and didn't snack or get the " munchies " . I now attribute this to his abundant essence and his powerful spleen. While this lifestyle may have ultimately caught up with him, it was not apparent at the time, much to my chagrin. However, I think his response to cannabis also reflected stimulation of ministerial fire, but his innate constitution played a large role in how this played out in the form of physical activity. I would suspect that many folks who smoked pot in high school were more of the maladjusted introverted types. Outgoing, popular athletes were often very against pot in my high school. Most of my other friends at college experienced pot more like me. But my good friend who shared the same set and setting and cultural experiences responded much differently. If you have never spent much time with born athletes with abundant jing, then perhaps one's observations about the effects of cannabis become skewed by the innate constitutions of the those whom we observe. I haven't hung out with jocks much of my life, but I have sometimes moved in these circles and have often observed similarities to my college friend in cannabis response. It was actually observations such as these that led me to embrace TCM as it seemed to offer an explanation for these differences that was missing from both western medicine and naturopathy and psychedelic theorists like Weil and Leary. -- Chinese Herbal Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2000 Report Share Posted December 25, 2000 My experience was quite similar, back in my teens. First, I started young, at 14 yrs old, stopped when I was 17-18. Marijuana was really a 'head' medicinal for me, it helped me to enjoy music and science fiction books even more, also movies like '2001'. However, it took all desire for physical activity away. This was during the flowering of the late 60's and early 70's. I quickly got into Hermann Hesse, Leary, Ram Dass, and anything spiritual I could get my hands on. It also, perhaps most significantly, turned a city boy into a country boy. I really tuned into the earth, and discovered the power of plants. I started with organic food at 16-17 yrs of age (continuing today), and experimenting with herbs such as ginseng and the famous 'mu tea' (which was all Chinese herbs). I also discovered yoga (still practicing today), macrobiotics and Eastern culture. As I became involved with these things, my desire for psychedelics and marijuana faded. I found pot to make me more and more paranoid, weak physically, spacy and shaky, without the insights I had earlier. The good food and yoga seemed to keep me in a good head space by itself, and moving to Colorado from New York really helped. I know other people who didn't get so spacy and paranoid, in fact, some have been smoking for years. Again, constitutional factors have something to do with this, obviously. As Todd mentioned, it was the jocks who were against pot at first, and called us intellectual hippies 'heads'. They liked to drink instead. Surprisingly, these 'greasers', as we called them, embraced pot, long hair and the rock music a few years later. The few occasions I tried pot in the last 30 years were always the same. . ..spacy distracted and unproductive. So I've never really wanted to experiment again. The upshot is that different people do react differently to medicinal substances. on 12/25/00 12:11 PM, Todd at wrote: > When we smoked pot, we had very different effects. I would get a bit > anxious, sit around and talk, listen to music, etc. This culminated in > strong hunger. My friend would want to play sports like soccer and > frisbee, which he could do for hours after smoking pot. And he was no > uncoordinated slouch. To this day, I have never meant a more perfect > physical specimen. He excelled at all sports. He was both extremely > fast, agile and strong. He never had any trouble lifting a full keg of > beer onto his shoulders and carrying it up 3 flights by himself, despite > bing only 5'8 " and 165 lbs. When we tossed a frisbee on the roof of our > dorm, he would scale the brick wall like a lizard to retrieve it. He > could walk out on narrow tree limbs high above the ground and he could > jump 20 feet to the ground and land like a cat. And all this while > being stoned. If he was not doing this, he was painting huge murals on > dorm walls. Most remarkably perhaps, was that smoking pot did not seem > to consume his yin to cause hunger. I always wanted to eat soon after > smoking, but my friend did not respond this way. While he had strong > appetite, he basically ate 2-3 big meals per day and didn't snack or get > the " munchies " . I now attribute this to his abundant essence and his > powerful spleen. While this lifestyle may have ultimately caught up > with him, it was not apparent at the time, much to my chagrin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2000 Report Share Posted December 25, 2000 When we smoked pot, we had very different effects. I would get a bitanxious, sit around and talk, listen to music, etc. This culminated instrong hunger. My friend would want to play sports like soccer andfrisbee, which he could do for hours after smoking pot. And he was nouncoordinated slouch. >>>>>This reminds me of a friend I have that became a surgeon, however eventually got in trouble with crack, which did affect his health both mental and physical Alon - cha Monday, December 25, 2000 12:11 PM cannabis and constitution When I first got interested in natural healthcare, it was because I hadspent too much time partying in college about 20 years ago. So myexperiences with drug culture are somewhat behind me in that I have notmoved in such circles for a long time. However, I was acutely aware ofdifferences in individual experience at that time. One of my bestcollege buddies was a high school wrestler and soccer star. He was avery physical person who had no time for intellectual conversation orspiritual practices. He was also a talented artist, not so muchcreative, but rather able to perfectly duplicate the artwork of others.He used to copy very intricate album covers (anyone remember those) fromheavy metal and rock bands. One of things I came to notice about thisfellow early on was that he never got sick, never got tired, never evengot a hangover. He would stay out till 3 am and wake up and landscapefor 12 hours then party again. I, on the other hand, had frequent coldsliving this lifestyle, had horrible hangovers and was forever lackingenough vitality. I was raised in a sedentary lifestyle, overlyintellectual, low quality food. My friend was raised with constantsports and his family grew most of their own food. At the time, I wasnot aware of this, but he probably had more jing and a much strongerspleen qi.When we smoked pot, we had very different effects. I would get a bitanxious, sit around and talk, listen to music, etc. This culminated instrong hunger. My friend would want to play sports like soccer andfrisbee, which he could do for hours after smoking pot. And he was nouncoordinated slouch. To this day, I have never meant a more perfectphysical specimen. He excelled at all sports. He was both extremelyfast, agile and strong. He never had any trouble lifting a full keg ofbeer onto his shoulders and carrying it up 3 flights by himself, despitebing only 5'8" and 165 lbs. When we tossed a frisbee on the roof of ourdorm, he would scale the brick wall like a lizard to retrieve it. Hecould walk out on narrow tree limbs high above the ground and he couldjump 20 feet to the ground and land like a cat. And all this whilebeing stoned. If he was not doing this, he was painting huge murals ondorm walls. Most remarkably perhaps, was that smoking pot did not seemto consume his yin to cause hunger. I always wanted to eat soon aftersmoking, but my friend did not respond this way. While he had strongappetite, he basically ate 2-3 big meals per day and didn't snack or getthe "munchies". I now attribute this to his abundant essence and hispowerful spleen. While this lifestyle may have ultimately caught upwith him, it was not apparent at the time, much to my chagrin.However, I think his response to cannabis also reflected stimulation ofministerial fire, but his innate constitution played a large role in howthis played out in the form of physical activity. I would suspect thatmany folks who smoked pot in high school were more of the maladjustedintroverted types. Outgoing, popular athletes were often very againstpot in my high school. Most of my other friends at college experiencedpot more like me. But my good friend who shared the same set andsetting and cultural experiences responded much differently. If youhave never spent much time with born athletes with abundant jing, thenperhaps one's observations about the effects of cannabis become skewedby the innate constitutions of the those whom we observe. I haven'thung out with jocks much of my life, but I have sometimes moved in thesecircles and have often observed similarities to my college friend incannabis response. It was actually observations such as these that ledme to embrace TCM as it seemed to offer an explanation for thesedifferences that was missing from both western medicine and naturopathyand psychedelic theorists like Weil and Leary.--DirectorChinese Herbal Medicinehttp://www..orgChinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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