Guest guest Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 I personally think it's not appropriate to generalize in this matter, some MDs care if their clients improve and some do not, just as some acupuncturists don't care. I worked for many years in a practice with several MDs; they were not very concerned about the paradigmatic differences. Actually, a lot of clients don't want to take medications, or they are just curious about alternative medicine. and they would refer those clients to me. I just paid rent for the room there, the MDs were flush and didn't care much if I brought in money or not. I think one of our accomplishments as a profession is that we do indeed have independent licenses. Working under the auspices of an MD and needing to use his/her license seems a step in the wrong direction for me. I know that a lot of acupuncturists are dissatisfied with their income level, but just as many are satisfied and doing well. They are probably not as verbal. Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - " Donald Snow " <don83407 <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Monday, December 21, 2009 9:57 AM RE: What's in a Name? The Future of the Medicine. > > I don't really think they care whether the patient improves or not. It > appears to be about money and how much they can make. I have yet to find > an MD that wants to have acupuncture in their clinics because they believe > in it, although I know some AOM associates that have found MD's to work > with that appear to be open. I've found it is about the dollar. > > > > Don Snow > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine > naturaldoc1 > Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:41:16 +0000 > RE: What's in a Name? The Future of the Medicine. Don, > > How hard was it to find an MD willing to work with you and did they accept > your theoretical concepts quickly? > > Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc > >> Chinese Traditional Medicine >> don83407 >> Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:07:11 -0600 >> RE: What's in a Name? The Future of the Medicine. >> >> >> That's pretty much what I've been saying. I see what I do as needle-less >> acupuncture but it is billed as physical medicine. The equipment I use >> has been around since the late 70's and 80's, except for the SCENARs. The >> only difference is the results that I get compared to those of PT's and >> MDs. That's the reason for my patient load. >> >> >> >> Don SNow >> >> >> >> Chinese Medicine >> singlewhip2001 >> Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:54:50 +0000 >> Re: What's in a Name? The Future of the Medicine. >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Don: >> >> Reading between the lines what you are saying is along with acupuncture >> you use modalities that a western physician, nurse or therapist might use >> and its billed under the MD so you can get the highest possible revenue >> because the insurance company is viewing it as under the MD? Is this an >> accurate understanding? >> >> thanks, >> david >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 When I speak or make a response to this forum, I speak from my experience and I said so. If I want to generalize, that's my opinion and my business. You have your own opinions, but you should not judge mine on this forum, and I will leave your opinions to you. As I have said earlier, I like making a quarter to a half million a year and if more of us did this we would have more to spend on lobbying efforts. It is my humble opinion that we, as a profession, do not earn up to our potential. Thanks, Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine angelapfa Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:08:50 -0800 Re: Working with MDs I personally think it's not appropriate to generalize in this matter, some MDs care if their clients improve and some do not, just as some acupuncturists don't care. I worked for many years in a practice with several MDs; they were not very concerned about the paradigmatic differences. Actually, a lot of clients don't want to take medications, or they are just curious about alternative medicine. and they would refer those clients to me. I just paid rent for the room there, the MDs were flush and didn't care much if I brought in money or not. I think one of our accomplishments as a profession is that we do indeed have independent licenses. Working under the auspices of an MD and needing to use his/her license seems a step in the wrong direction for me. I know that a lot of acupuncturists are dissatisfied with their income level, but just as many are satisfied and doing well. They are probably not as verbal. Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - " Donald Snow " <don83407 <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Monday, December 21, 2009 9:57 AM RE: What's in a Name? The Future of the Medicine. > > I don't really think they care whether the patient improves or not. It > appears to be about money and how much they can make. I have yet to find > an MD that wants to have acupuncture in their clinics because they believe > in it, although I know some AOM associates that have found MD's to work > with that appear to be open. I've found it is about the dollar. > > > > Don Snow > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine > naturaldoc1 > Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:41:16 +0000 > RE: What's in a Name? The Future of the Medicine. Don, > > How hard was it to find an MD willing to work with you and did they accept > your theoretical concepts quickly? > > Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc > >> Chinese Traditional Medicine >> don83407 >> Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:07:11 -0600 >> RE: What's in a Name? The Future of the Medicine. >> >> >> That's pretty much what I've been saying. I see what I do as needle-less >> acupuncture but it is billed as physical medicine. The equipment I use >> has been around since the late 70's and 80's, except for the SCENARs. The >> only difference is the results that I get compared to those of PT's and >> MDs. That's the reason for my patient load. >> >> >> >> Don SNow >> >> >> >> Chinese Medicine >> singlewhip2001 >> Sat, 19 Dec 2009 05:54:50 +0000 >> Re: What's in a Name? The Future of the Medicine. >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Don: >> >> Reading between the lines what you are saying is along with acupuncture >> you use modalities that a western physician, nurse or therapist might use >> and its billed under the MD so you can get the highest possible revenue >> because the insurance company is viewing it as under the MD? Is this an >> accurate understanding? >> >> thanks, >> david >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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