Guest guest Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 i asked my supplier in Parsippany, NJ - tronex pharmaceutical as well and they have no knowledge of the ban either. they sell granules. andrena bonte On Dec 9, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Thomas Leung, M.S., L.Ac. wrote: > Hi Fellow PCOMers, > > As many of you know, I deal with more on the supply side of things so here is my experience with this. Tu si zi has been banned for years now. Enforcement is selective and sporadic; and different field offices have their own interpretation what is allowed. This is the reason why there seems to be so many different opinions about this. With that said, granule importers such as ourselves have not reported any difficulties yet. > > hope that sheds some light on this. > tom leung > > Thomas Leung, B.S. Pharm., MSTOM, L.Ac. > CEO Meridian Herbs dba Kamwo Herbs > Clinical Director of Grand Meridian Community Clinic > Faculty Member of Pacific College of Oriental Medicine > > 211 Grand Street, NY, NY 10013 > 212-966-6370 Ext.19/212-965-1503 > > > --- On Wed, 12/9/09, wrote: > > > Re: [PCOM Alumni] Tusizi banned? > " ksvaughan2 " <ksvaughan2 > Cc: " alumni " <alumni, " Chinese Traditional Medicine " <Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:01 PM > > someone posted on another list that the fda is cracking down and is beginning to ban it entirely, whether or not it has been pretreated. > > kath > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:00 AM, <ksvaughan2 wrote: > I believe it can be imported if steam treated, like huo ma ren, so that it cannot reproduce. > > Karen > > Karen Vaughan, MSTOM > Licensed Acupuncturist > Registered Herbalist (AHG) > 253 Garfield Place > Brooklyn, NY 11215 > > (718) 622-6755 > > Join the Swine Flu and Herbalism Facebook group > See my Acupuncture and Herbalism website at: www.acupuncturebrooklyn.com > Twitter: Herblady22 > Stop Mountaintop Removal Mining: www.Ilovemountains.org > <little%20magnolia%20enhanced.jpg> > " In Ayurveda epidemic disease is caused in part by fundamental distortions in how we relate to the environment. In the case of swine/ avian flu, perhaps we need to look no further than how we raise food animals. Perhaps influenza is part of a larger immunological mechanism to restore balance.. " - Todd Caldecott. > > In a message dated 12/7/2009 12:03:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bdamone writes: > Noxious, that is > > > On Dec 7, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Bob Damone <bdamone wrote: > >> I believe it is considered a noxioux species. So, the rationale is If its seeds germinated in the environment, there could be adverse ecological effects. >> >> It is allowed in granule and other ready-made forms as far as I know. >> >> On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:07 AM, " " wrote: >> >>> i'm not wanting to set off alarm bells, but i got this email from another group today about tusizi being banned. is this accurate to anyone's knowledge? >>> >>> >>> Hey All, >>> >>> Laura just posted a startling bit of info: >>> " I have just learned that the USDA will no longer allow the importation of cuscuta, dodder seed, tu si zi, in any form. A USDA representative came to my office to see if I had any in my pharmacy. " >>> >>> >>> kath >>> >>> -- >>> Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA >>> Oriental Medicine >>> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective >>> >>> >>> Abstain from all that is evil. >>> Perform all that is good. >>> Purify your thoughts. >>> This is the teaching of the Buddhas. >>> >>> >>> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: >>> http://acukath.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints >>> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist >>> Available at Asheville Center for : >>> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com >>> >>> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC >>> >>> Amazon.com >>> http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 >>> >>> >>> and from the following supply companies: >>> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown >>> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 >>> >>> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC >>> http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= >>> >>> >>> Asheville Center For >>> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two >>> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 >>> kbartlett >>> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com >>> _____________ >>> >>> Alumni mailing list >>> Alumni >>> http://mail.pacificcollege.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni >> _____________ >> Alumni mailing list >> Alumni >> http://mail.pacificcollege.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni > > > _____________ > Alumni mailing list > Alumni > http://mail.pacificcollege.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni > > _____________ > Alumni mailing list > Alumni > http://mail.pacificcollege.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni > > > > > -- > Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA > Oriental Medicine > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > Abstain from all that is evil. > Perform all that is good. > Purify your thoughts. > This is the teaching of the Buddhas. > > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > http://acukath.blogspot.com/ > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > Available at Asheville Center for : > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > Amazon.com > http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 > > > and from the following supply companies: > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= > > > Asheville Center For > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > kbartlett > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _____________ > Alumni mailing list > Alumni > http://mail.pacificcollege.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni > _____________ > Alumni mailing list > Alumni > http://mail.pacificcollege.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 There is no ban on processed Tu Su Zi, but on unprocessed Tu Su Zi as it has been deemed invasive by the USDA (not the FDA). Living in the south and seeing the havoc that Kudzu has caused, I can sympathize. That said, I still ordered all I could from my supplier because I like to do my own pao zhi with is. I have some of the Tu Su Zi bing from Springwind which is not a problem because it is cooked and crushed and could not be planted. Sincerly, On Dec 9, 2009, at 3:24 PM, andrena bonte wrote: > i asked my supplier in Parsippany, NJ - tronex pharmaceutical as > well and they have no knowledge of the ban either. they sell > granules. andrena bonte > On Dec 9, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Thomas Leung, M.S., L.Ac. wrote: > > > Hi Fellow PCOMers, > > > > As many of you know, I deal with more on the supply side of things > so here is my experience with this. Tu si zi has been banned for > years now. Enforcement is selective and sporadic; and different > field offices have their own interpretation what is allowed. This is > the reason why there seems to be so many different opinions about > this. With that said, granule importers such as ourselves have not > reported any difficulties yet. > > > > hope that sheds some light on this. > > tom leung > > > > Thomas Leung, B.S. Pharm., MSTOM, L.Ac. > > CEO Meridian Herbs dba Kamwo Herbs > > Clinical Director of Grand Meridian Community Clinic > > Faculty Member of Pacific College of Oriental Medicine > > > > 211 Grand Street, NY, NY 10013 > > 212-966-6370 Ext.19/212-965-1503 > > > > > > --- On Wed, 12/9/09, > wrote: > > > > > > Re: [PCOM Alumni] Tusizi banned? > > " ksvaughan2 " <ksvaughan2 > > Cc: " alumni " <alumni, > " Chinese Traditional Medicine " <Chinese Traditional Medicine > > > > Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:01 PM > > > > someone posted on another list that the fda is cracking down and > is beginning to ban it entirely, whether or not it has been > pretreated. > > > > kath > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:00 AM, <ksvaughan2 wrote: > > I believe it can be imported if steam treated, like huo ma ren, so > that it cannot reproduce. > > > > Karen > > > > Karen Vaughan, MSTOM > > Licensed Acupuncturist > > Registered Herbalist (AHG) > > 253 Garfield Place > > Brooklyn, NY 11215 > > > > (718) 622-6755 > > > > Join the Swine Flu and Herbalism Facebook group > > See my Acupuncture and Herbalism website at: www.acupuncturebrooklyn.com > > Twitter: Herblady22 > > Stop Mountaintop Removal Mining: www.Ilovemountains.org > > <little%20magnolia%20enhanced.jpg> > > " In Ayurveda epidemic disease is caused in part by fundamental > distortions in how we relate to the environment. In the case of > swine/ avian flu, perhaps we need to look no further than how we > raise food animals. Perhaps influenza is part of a larger > immunological mechanism to restore balance.. " - Todd Caldecott. > > > > In a message dated 12/7/2009 12:03:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bdamone > writes: > > Noxious, that is > > > > > > On Dec 7, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Bob Damone > <bdamone wrote: > > > >> I believe it is considered a noxioux species. So, the rationale > is If its seeds germinated in the environment, there could be > adverse ecological effects. > >> > >> It is allowed in granule and other ready-made forms as far as I > know. > >> > >> On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:07 AM, " " <acukath > > wrote: > >> > >>> i'm not wanting to set off alarm bells, but i got this email > from another group today about tusizi being banned. is this accurate > to anyone's knowledge? > >>> > >>> > >>> Hey All, > >>> > >>> Laura just posted a startling bit of info: > >>> " I have just learned that the USDA will no longer allow the > importation of cuscuta, dodder seed, tu si zi, in any form. A USDA > representative came to my office to see if I had any in my pharmacy. " > >>> > >>> > >>> kath > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Oriental Medicine > >>> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > >>> > >>> > >>> Abstain from all that is evil. > >>> Perform all that is good. > >>> Purify your thoughts. > >>> This is the teaching of the Buddhas. > >>> > >>> > >>> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > >>> http://acukath.blogspot.com/ > >>> > >>> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > >>> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > >>> Available at Asheville Center for : > >>> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com > >>> > >>> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > >>> > >>> Amazon.com > >>> http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 > >>> > >>> > >>> and from the following supply companies: > >>> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > >>> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php? > productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 > >>> > >>> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > >>> http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= > >>> > >>> > >>> Asheville Center For > >>> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > >>> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > >>> kbartlett > >>> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > >>> _____________ > >>> > >>> Alumni mailing list > >>> Alumni > >>> http://mail.pacificcollege.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni > >> _____________ > >> Alumni mailing list > >> Alumni > >> http://mail.pacificcollege.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni > > > > > > _____________ > > Alumni mailing list > > Alumni > > http://mail.pacificcollege.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni > > > > _____________ > > Alumni mailing list > > Alumni > > http://mail.pacificcollege.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Oriental Medicine > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > > > Abstain from all that is evil. > > Perform all that is good. > > Purify your thoughts. > > This is the teaching of the Buddhas. > > > > > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > > http://acukath.blogspot.com/ > > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > > Available at Asheville Center for : > > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com > > > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > > > Amazon.com > > http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 > > > > > > and from the following supply companies: > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 > > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > > http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= > > > > > > Asheville Center For > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > kbartlett > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _____________ > > Alumni mailing list > > Alumni > > http://mail.pacificcollege.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni > > _____________ > > Alumni mailing list > > Alumni > > http://mail.pacificcollege.edu/mailman/listinfo/alumni > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:24 PM, andrena bonte <shumai1 wrote: > > > i asked my supplier in Parsippany, NJ - tronex pharmaceutical as well and > they have no knowledge of the ban either. they sell granules. andrena bonte > On Dec 9, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Thomas Leung, M.S., L.Ac. wrote: > > evidently the ban is only on the raw form. k > > > -- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Abstain from all that is evil. Perform all that is good. Purify your thoughts. This is the teaching of the Buddhas. Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath.blogspot.com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 i'm still able to get it from golden needle. k On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, David Toone <david wrote: > > > There is no ban on processed Tu Su Zi, but on unprocessed Tu Su Zi as > it has been deemed invasive by the USDA (not the FDA). Living in the > south and seeing the havoc that Kudzu has caused, I can sympathize. > That said, I still ordered all I could from my supplier because I like > to do my own pao zhi with is. I have some of the Tu Su Zi bing from > Springwind which is not a problem because it is cooked and crushed and > could not be planted. > > Sincerely, > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath.blogspot.com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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