FPD: I WILL GO ALL THE WAY FROM A-Z iffff ?

December 7, 2009

While we are on these interesting core matters.

What's all of this frantic PUSH by ACAOM regarding BIOMEDICAL CLINICAL

COMPETENCIES?

What has any of that got to do with TCM?

Or better yet.....communicating with MDs or referring to MDs?

Appears to be yet ANOTHER unnecessary course bloating concoction to drive

the cost up to the $100,000 mark.

If more western anatomy, physiology, pathology etc are needed in order to

protect TCM patients AND to communicate properly with AND refer to MDs,

then the schools are doing a terrible job of teaching such courses....AND the

schools NEED to FAIL more students.

Why doesn't ACAOM post HOW many students are failed by the 50+

night-trade-schools.....every year?

Let's see some of those statistics.

At A.T.O.M. in Fort Lauderdale it is a standing ORDER of management that

ALL third year students automatically PASS all the herb courses regardless

how poorly they do.

Hmmmmmm....very interesting.

Lurking Mr Dort Bigg.....how do you'all at ACAOM totally MISS this kind of

school operation over so many years........CONTINUING year after year

after year to accredit such a " night-trade-4yr-independent-school " ?

Below find posted a WIKIPEDIA definition of BIOMEDICINE.

The last I checked.....TCM practitioners are not now, have never been and

more than likely will never be BIOMEDICAL SCIENTISTS.

And if they ever wish to go into research....they already have an optional

ACAOM blessed DAOM " NON-PhD research doctoral degree " !!!!!

Richard

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A biomedical scientist (or biomedical doctor, biomedician, medical

scientist), is a scientist educated in the field of _biological science_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_science) , especially in the context

of

_medicine_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine) . Biomedicians are

typically active in _biomedical research_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_research) and tend to have more

limited and research oriented contact with

patients than _physicians_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician) .

_Biomedical sciences_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_sciences)

must not be confused with _Pathology_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathology) .

The general motivation may be stated as: " to increase the body of

scientific knowledge on topics related to medicine. " _[1]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-PrUK-0)

Biomedical scientists study

_disease_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease) , _drugs_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug) , and other topics related to _human

health_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_health) . Their role is to develop or

improve

treatments, _vaccines_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine) , _equipment_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratory_equipment) , and techniques involving

_health care_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care) ._[1]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-PrUK-0) _[2]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-HJ-1)

Biomedical scientists tend to focus more on complex medical science and

research over treatment techniques and day-to-day medicine as their more

patient-oriented physician counterparts.

Professionals educated in fields other than medicine might also contribute

to medical overall knowledge. Examples include biological scientists such

as _molecular biologists_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_biologists) .

Contents

[_hide_ (javascript:toggleToc()) ]

* _1 Description_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#Description)

* _2 Education_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#Education)

* _2.1 United Kingdom_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#United_Kingdom)

* _3 Areas of specialization_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#Areas_of_specialization)

* _4 Salaries and work conditions_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#Salaries_and_work_conditions)

* _5 Job growth_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#Job_growth)

* _6 Status worldwide_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#Status_worldwide)

* _6.1 The United Kingdom_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#The_United_Kingdom)

* _7 See also_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#See_also)

* _8 References_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#References)

* _9 External links_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#External_links)

[_edit_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biomedical_scientist & action=edit & sect\

ion=1) ] Description

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rodent52copy.jpg)

Medical scientist assessing the health status of _transgenic_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenic) mice in a British laboratory, 2000

Biomedical scientists study aspects of living _organisms_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organism) , such as _reproduction_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproduction) , _growth_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_development_(biology)) , and _development_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_biology) to develop treatments,

prevent _disease_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease) , and promote _health_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health)

.._[3]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-WiHC-2)

Their _research_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research) can investigate

health (basic) or investigate how to prevent _disorders_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorder_(medicine)) (applied). Scientists may

use _human_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human) volunteers or _models_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro) . Workplaces include _institutes_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute) , _hospitals_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital)

or _industries_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry) , _laboratory_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratory) -based._[1]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-PrUK-0)

People in this field may:_[1]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-PrUK-0)

* _experiment_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment) and

interpret medical results

* keep records of _data_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data) and use

_computers_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer) to analyze them

* teach and _supervise_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervisor)

students

* apply for _grants_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_(money))

* _collaborate_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborate) with

others in the same field

* consider _potential_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential) of

research products

* share results with _colleagues_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colleague)

* give _presentations_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentation)

at _conferences_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_conference)

* write papers for _publication_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publication)

* keep up to date via the _Internet_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet) and _scientific_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific)

_meetings_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meeting)

* implement _medical diagnosis_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_diagnosis)

* advise in medical treatment

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ion=2) ] Education

Biomedical education programs (sometimes known as _Medical Scientist

Training Program_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Scientist_Training_Program) ) are given at

most _medical faculties_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_faculty) around the world, usually with

the aim to create

professionals with future leading positions in medical research and

development.[_citation needed_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed) ]

The education has a clear focus on _human biology_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_biology) and basic science and how this

knowledge can be

transferred into a medical and clinical setting.

[_edit_

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ion=3) ] United Kingdom

The programs usually encompass an initial _bachelors degree_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelors_degree) , which is presupposed for two

years of

further studies eventually earning the students a medicine master's examina

(that might however differ in extent and depth between different countries

and/or faculties). Nevertheless many students choose to study on (for as

much as) another 4 years to earn the higher Ph.D/Doctor's degree, at this

time the students specialize in a certain medical area such as, for example,

_nephrology_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephrology) , _neurology_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurology) , _oncology_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oncology) or _virology_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virology) (by now

the student has passed a maximum 9 years of higher learning).

In the UK specifically, prospective undergraduate students wishing to

undertake a BSc in biomedical sciences are required to apply via the _UCAS_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCAS) application system (usually during the

final year of college or sixth form secondary school). Although many students

are genuinely interested in applying for such a course, a large proportion

of places offered on biomedical sciences courses around the country are

made available to those applicants who are unsuccessful in applying for

_Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Medicine_and_Surgery) courses. As a

result, those who are unable to gain

admittance into undergraduate medicine courses, often re-apply as post-graduates

upon completion of their three year BSc degree. However, entry into medicine

as a graduate student is incredibly competitive and is heavily dependent

upon the attainment of exceptional grades and a 1st class or 2:1 degree in

biomedical sciences.

A _PhD in Biomedicine_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Science) is

however required for most higher _research_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research) and _teaching_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teacher) positions,

which most _colleges_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College) and

_universities_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universities) offer._[3]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-WiHC-2) These

_graduate

degree_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graduate_degree) programs may include

_classroom_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classroom) and _fieldwork_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fieldwork) , research at a _laboratory_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratory) , and a _dissertation_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissertation) ._[2]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-HJ-1) Although a

degree in a _medicine_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine) or _life science_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_science) is common, recent research

_projects_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project) also need graduates in _statistics_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics) , _bioinformatics_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioinformatics) , _physics_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics) and _chemistry_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemistry) ._[1]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-PrUK-0) Abilities

preferred for entry in this

field include: technical, scientific, numerical, written, and oral _skills_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill) ._[1]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-PrUK-0)

_Students_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student) who complete a

_bachelor's degree_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor's_degree) can work

in

non-research positions such as performing, less advanced, medical tests at

hospitals or assisting Biomedical doctors in their work. When in _high school_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_school) , students should prepare

themselves for this field by taking _science_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science) and _health_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health) -related courses

such as _biology_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology) , _chemistry_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemistry) , and _mathematics_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics) ._[3]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-WiHC-2)

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ion=4) ] Areas of specialization

Medical scientists can _specialize_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specialty_(medicine)) , for example, in the

following areas, which are

explained:_[2]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-HJ-1) _[3]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-WiHC-2)

* _Anatomist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomist) : studies

_animals_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal) ' _organ_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_(anatomy)) structures and relates them to

medicine

* _Bacteriologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriologist) :

studies _bacteria_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria) _[4]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-3)

* _Biochemist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochemist) : studies

the _chemical_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical) composition of _cells_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(biology)) and the chemistry behind

biological processes

* _Molecular Biologist_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_Biologist) : studies the _molecular_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular)

makeup and processes of living _organisms_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisms)

* _Biophysicist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biophysics) : studies

_mechanical_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_energy) and

_electrical_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_energy) _energy_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy) in living _cells_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(biology)) and _tissues_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tissue_(biology))

* _Cell biologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_biologist) :

studies cell-level organization and processes

* _Embryologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryologist) :

investigates _infertility_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infertility) _[5]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-4)

* _Epidemiologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiologist) :

studies causes and spread of and how to prevent _diseases_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease)

* _Geneticist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneticist) : studies

traits of _humans_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human) and animals

* _Hematologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hematologist) :

studies of the blood, such as blood cells, and mechanisms of coagulation. (See

_hematology_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hematology) ). May also be

involved in _Blood transfusion_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_transfusion)

..

* _Histopathologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histopathology) :

studies how disease affects _tissues_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tissue_(biology))

* _Immunologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunologist) :

studies the _immune system_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_system)

* _Microbiologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbiologist) :

studies characteristics of _microorganisms_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microorganism)

* _Neuroscientist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscientist) :

studies on function and structure the _nervous system_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nervous_system) , including _brain_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain)

* _Parasitologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitology) :

studies _parasites_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasite)

* _Pharmacologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacologist) :

studies effects of drugs on biological systems

* _Virologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virologist) : studies

_viruses_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus) and viral diseases_[6]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-5)

* _Nephrologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephrologist) :

studies and treats disease of the _kidney_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney)

* _Oncologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oncologist) : studies

and treats the complications of _cancer_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer) .

* _Pathologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathologist) : studies

and diagnoses disease through examination of organs, tissues, cells and

bodily fluids.

* _Rheumatologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheumatologist) :

the diagnosis and therapy of rheumatic diseases.

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ion=5) ] Salaries and work conditions

Biomedical scientists are employed by _federal_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_government) and _state_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(administrative_division)) _governments_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governments) , are _consultants_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consultants) for

_chemical_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical) and _pharmaceutical_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical) _business_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business) firms, or work in _laboratories_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratories) where they perform tests and

experiment._[2]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-HJ-1) _[3]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-WiHC-2) In the

_United

States_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) , the _average_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average) _salary_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salary)

for research scientists is $86,393.[_citation needed_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed) ] In the _United

Kingdom_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom) , they are paid anywhere from

£40,000 to

£60,000, depending on experience, education, and position._[1]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-PrUK-0)

Laboratory experiments often include _toxic_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicity) or _radioactive_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive)

materials and dangerous _organisms_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organism)

.._[1]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-PrUK-0)

_[2]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-HJ-1)

_Safety_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety) procedures must be followed to

avoid _contamination_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contamination) ._[2]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-HJ-1) _Ethical_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical) issues are brought up when

research scientists work with animals and animal products, like _stem cells_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cells) ._[1]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-PrUK-0)

[_edit_

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ion=6) ] Job growth

Job growth[_citation needed_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed) ] 10-year job growth

17.05% Total jobs (2004) 29,442 Forecast

(2014) 34,461 Average annual growth 1,424

[_edit_

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ion=7) ] Status worldwide

[_edit_

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ion=8) ] The United Kingdom

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This article needs additional _citations_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Inline_citations) for

_verification_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability) .

Please help _improve this article_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biomedical_scientist & action=edit) by

adding _reliable references_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources) . Unsourced material

may be _challenged_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Fact) and

_removed_

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.. (April 2007)

Biomedical scientist is the protected title used by professionals working

within the _pathology_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathology) department

of a _hospital_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital) ._[7]_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_scientist#cite_note-6) The

_biomedical

sciences_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_science) are made up of the

following disciplines; _biochemistry_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochemistry) , _haematology_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haematology) ,

_immunology_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunology) , _microbiology_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbiology) , _histology_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histology) , _cytology_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_biology) ,

_bacteriology_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteriology) and _transfusion_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_transfusion) services. These professions

are

regulated within the _United Kingdom_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom) by the _Health professions

council_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_professions_council) . Anyone who falsely

claims to be a biomedical

scientist commits an offence and could be _fined_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_(penalty)) up to _£_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_sterling)

5000.

Each department specialises in aiding the _diagnosis_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnosis) and treatment of disease. Entry to

the profession

requires an _Institute of Biomedical Science_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Biomedical_Science) (IBMS)

accredited _BSc_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Science) _honours degree_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honours_degree) followed by a minimum of 12

months _laboratory_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratory) training in one of the pathology

disciplines, however the actual time spent training can be considerably longer.

Trainees are also required to complete a certificate of competence training

portfolio, this requires gathering extensive amounts of evidence to

demonstrate professional competence. At the end of this period the trainees

portfolio and overall competence are assessed if successful state registration

is

achieved. State registration indicates that the applicant has reached a

required standard of education and will follow the guidelines and codes of

practice created by the health professions council.More recently a co-terminus

degree has been implimented to bring the profession in to line with the

other professions allied to health care. Students now participate in a

placement year,which lasts 15 weeks, in either the second or third years of

their

degree. Students are then awarded their state registration on completion

of their degree. Placements are not guaranteed and places are limited to the

top students, those who do not get placements can follow the old style of

registration but are at a serious disadvantage when applying for posts.

Biomedical scientists are the second largest profession registered by the

_Health Professions Council_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Professions_Council) and make up a vital

component of the health care team. Many of

the decisions doctors make are based on the test results generated by

biomedical scientists. Despite this, much of the general public are unaware of

biomedical scientists and the important role they play. This lack of

awareness extends to many doctors and nurses; often biomedical scientists are

incorrectly referred to as laboratory technicians.

Biomedical scientists are not exclusively confined to _NHS_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service) laboratories.

Biomedical

scientists along with scientists in other inter-related medical disciplines

seek out

to understand human anatomy, physiology and behaviour at all levels. This

is sometimes achieved through the use of model systems that are homologous

to various aspects of human biology. The research that is carried out

either in Universities or Pharmaceutical companies by biomedical scientists has

led to the development of new treatments for a wide range of degenerative

and genetic disorders. _Stem cell_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell)

biology, _cloning_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloning) , _genetic

screening_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_testing) /therapies and other

areas of biomedical science have all been generated by the work of biomedical

scientists from around the world.

[_edit_

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ion=9) ] See also

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rod_of_asclepius.png) _Medicine

portal_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Medicine)

* _Pathologist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathologist)

* _Clinical scientist_ (http://en.wikipe

dia.org/wiki/Clinical_scientist)

* _Biomedicine_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedicine)

* _Animal testing_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_testing) :

the use of _animals_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal) in _experiments_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment)

* _Biology_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology) : the study of

_life_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life)

* _Health profession_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_profession) : profession in which a person

exercises _skill_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skill) or provides a _health_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health)

-related service

* _Human experimentation_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_experimentation) : _medical_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical) _experiments_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment) performed on human beings

* _Medical Laboratory Scientist_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Laboratory_Scientist) : similar career in

the USA

* _Medical research_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_research)

: _basic research_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_research) or

_applied research_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_research) conducted

to

aid the body of knowledge in the field of _medicine_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine)

* _Medicine_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine) : a branch of

the _health sciences_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_science)

concerned with maintaining or restoring _human_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human)

_health_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health)

* _Research_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research) : a process of

inquiry aimed at _discovering_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_(observation)) , _interpreting_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretation_(logic)) , and revising _facts_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact)

* _Scientist_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientist) : an _expert_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expert) in at least one area of _science_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science) who uses the _scientific method_ (h

ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method) to do _research_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research)

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* _The Institute of Biomedical Science_ (http://www.ibms.org/)

* _American Physiological Society_ (http://www.the-aps.org/)

* _American Society for Microbiology_ (http://www.asm.org/)

* _Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council_

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* _Institute of Biology_ (http://www.iob.org/)

* _Medical Research Council_ (http://www.mrc.ac.uk/)

* _National Academy of Sciences_

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* _National Research Council_

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In a message dated 12/07/09 6:10:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

dr_namnguyen58 writes:

Dear colleagues,

I am sorry not to agree with the FPD which might be able create more jobs

for acupuncturists. It may create more jobs for nurses, MD, chiro, PA, PTs

and whoever in a medical field, but definitely for schools. It is just

another worthless paper I think. And I think if we , TCM, allow it, we are

just defaming ourselves, our professionalism, to show all people that we

are not qualified! Some may feel not qualified should not stand up for others.

Are we sure that with this KIND of paper, do all M.D or chiro or the

public will give us more credits just as who they ( M.Ds or others )

are ? OR IF with this paper will we have an equal right to practice

their fields and can charge our patients through their billing codes? Ifff

this is true, I WILL GO ALL THE WAY FROM A-Z.

There are so many MDs and other professions, for sure, they are just

babies after earning their papers....they must gain their knowledge through

experiences.

For those TCM graduates who are inexperience in TCM, should not feel

inferior, but should get together with peers, friends , or with professionals

to

learn more, discuss more about their field and skills to improve and to

gain more confidence in order to put it in practice. Of course, we are

limited in treatments of certain kinds of illnesses and diseases, we are still

professionals. For those TCM graduates who are inexperience in TCM, should

not feel inferior, but should get together with peers, friends , or w

Acupuncture has been so strong and getting stronger everyday through our

pioneers and through all the leading acupuncture professionals. Please, do

not feel inferior or intimidated by other professions. Here we are with all

the current acupuncturists establishing all well respects and all well-know

through the media, TV, radio , and the public.

STAND UP FOR OURSELVES AND DO NOT LOSE OUR POSITION !!!!!!!!!...STAND UP

FOR OURSELVES AND DO NOT LOSE OUR POSITION !!!!!!!!!...<WBR>....... We must

think of a way to stand up for ourselves, as chiro had done !!!!!!!!! Do

M.Ds act in behalf of chiro' Do chiro need FPD????????? Do chiro need FP

And we should know of a way how to stop them to practice our profession if

they are not quailfied, not just adding more paper PFD to ourselves.

Nam Nguyen

December 7, 2009

Dear colleagues,

I am sorry not to agree with the FPD which might be able create more jobs for

acupuncturists. It may create more jobs for nurses, MD, chiro, PA, PTs and

whoever in a medical field, but definitely for schools. It is just another

worthless paper I think. And I think if we , TCM, allow it, we are just

defaming ourselves, our professionalism, to show all people that we are not

qualified! Some may feel not qualified should not stand up for others.

Are we sure that with this KIND of paper, do all M.D or chiro or the

public will give us more credits just as who they ( M.Ds or others )

are ? OR IF with this paper will we have an equal right to practice their

fields and can charge our patients through their billing codes? Ifff this is

true, I WILL GO ALL THE WAY FROM A-Z.

There are so many MDs and other professions, for sure, they are just babies

after earning their papers....they must gain their knowledge through

experiences.

For those TCM graduates who are inexperience in TCM, should not feel

inferior, but should get together with peers, friends , or with professionals to

learn more, discuss more about their field and skills to improve and to gain

more confidence in order to put it in practice. Of course, we are limited in

treatments of certain kinds of illnesses and diseases, we are still

professionals..... AND DO NOT FEEL the FPD will teach you all of the skills you

need. Your skills are through observances and hands in practice.

Acupuncture has been so strong and getting stronger everyday through our

pioneers and through all the leading acupuncture professionals. Please, do not

feel inferior or intimidated by other professions. Here we are with all the

current acupuncturists establishing all well respects and all well-know through

the media, TV, radio , and the public.

STAND UP FOR OURSELVES AND DO NOT LOSE OUR POSITION !!!!!!!!!.......... We must

think of a way to stand up for ourselves, as chiro had done !!!!!!!!! Do M.Ds

act in behalf of chiro' s profession, and do they charge patients under the

chiro billing codes? Do chiro need FPD????????????? and why not ????

And we should know of a way how to stop them to practice our profession if

they are not quailfied, not just adding more paper PFD to ourselves.

Nam Nguyen

December 8, 2009

Richard,

I think you are missing the boat with the biomed courses. Last I checked, in

our licenses it usually states that we must know when to refer and for that we

need to understand what is going on. Some basic medical concepts are needed.

Schools currently teach this, in most cases, and the NCCAOM tests on this as

well. Are you now wanting to weaken our educational ability to be part of the

healthcare community be ignoring the law? From what you have laid out as far as

OM in FL, it appears that you should have this knowledge base or you could not

function as a primary care physician, or is this incorrect?

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc