Guest guest Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Thanks Yehuda for your information. This is very beneficial to my diagnosis. I will look into this later and find out why Tai Zi Shen works, and Ren Shen makes it worse. Did she take a formula or a single herb? But I do not why Ren Shen made it worse and restarted all the problems. Does anybody have any ideas? Nam Nguyen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Tai Zi Shen is less tonic than even Dang Shen (and even less so than for Ren Shen) while it is more active in promoting the secretion of body fluids. Richard In a message dated 11/14/09 12:31:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dr_namnguyen58 writes: Thanks Yehuda for your information. This is very beneficial to my diagnosis. I will look into this later and find out why Tai Zi Shen works, and Ren Shen makes it worse. Did she take a formula or a single herb? But I do not why Ren Shen made it worse and restarted all the problems. Does anybody have any ideas? Nam Nguyen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2009 Report Share Posted November 14, 2009 Yehuda, Would you please give us the formula you used to successfully prevent your wife's seizures? I must have missed it the first time you posted it. My Mom is now have seizures and I would like a lead on developing a formula that would help to prevent them. Thank you and God Bless.................Betty Chinese Medicine , yehuda frischman < wrote: > > Dear Colleagues, > > As many of you are aware of, my wife has had a seizure disorder or undetermined etiology for nearly 20 years. Thank G-d, over the past 4-5 month, she has basically been seizure free due to a number of factors that I will relate to you when I have time--just not now. What I would like to relate, anecdotally, is that the formulas I have written for you have generally included Tai Zi Shen, which she was doing very well with. However, because she was doing so well, I thought that I would give a 6g dose of Ren Shen a shot because of its cognicence enhancement properties. Unfortunately, for the first time in months, her spasms increased, she had incontinence, and last night a seizure. > > I will relate more later. 'Thought that you would find this of interest. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 There is plenty of opinion on epilepsy forums about ginseng & seizures. And some more medical opinions too http://professionals.epilepsy.com/page/e_b_herbal_medicines.html <http://professionals.epilepsy.com/page/e_b_herbal_medicines.html> as well as animal studies on possible mechanisms http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN & cpsidt=16460147 <http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN & cpsidt=16460147> Ginseng has a wide variety of sometimes opposing actions and it would be very difficult to tag a " why " on this particular instance without knowing at the very least info about chinese and western diag, triggers, and what the treatment to this point has been (to consider ifginseng was interfering with something that's benefiting her). Also what kind of ginseng was taken and how. Charlie Chinese Medicine , Nam Nguyen <dr_namnguyen58 wrote: > > Thanks Yehuda for your information. > This is very beneficial to my diagnosis. I will look into this later and find out why Tai Zi Shen works, and Ren Shen makes it worse. Did she take a formula or a single herb? > > But I do not why Ren Shen made it worse and restarted all the problems. > > Does anybody have any ideas? > > > Nam Nguyen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Sorry for not answering sooner, Nam. It is very important to remember to consider the pathogenesis of the illness. In the case of my wife, there is hyperstimulation from the excess electrical activity in her brain from the ECT she had, that I wrote about yesterday. That is why her pattern needs to be viewed, at its root as an replete pattern, and any therapies involving stimulation or tonification need to be considered with extreme care and deliberation. The reason why Ren Shen was wrong for her whereas Tai Zi Shen is beneficial, is because Ren Shen treat core Kidney Qi and Jing vacuity. Yet her " slowness " is not from lack of material, but rather from complete exhaustion. She is lacking rest, not Jing. Yet on a more superficial level, her lung Qi and Yin are exhausted, she breathes very shallowly, and as such the Tai Zi Shen gently is revitalizing. It is for the same reason that she has done very poorly with scalp acupuncture. Ironically, it is just too close to the area of her greatest sensitivity. As such she had seizures, rather than preventing them when she received scalp acupuncture, and the same with needling Du 26--That set in motion, the shaking of her chin back 10 years ago. respectfully, ________________________________ Nam Nguyen <dr_namnguyen58 Chinese Medicine Fri, November 13, 2009 9:28:07 PM Ren shen and Seizures Thanks Yehuda for your information. This is very beneficial to my diagnosis. I will look into this later and find out why Tai Zi Shen works, and Ren Shen makes it worse. Did she take a formula or a single herb? But I do not why Ren Shen made it worse and restarted all the problems. Does anybody have any ideas? Nam Nguyen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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