Has anybody seen and treated epilepsy successfully? Please help.

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I am sorry I did not provide this important note.

Sometimes when I was with her, she told me she had an aura, a warning, I use

acupressure on LI4 , on either side gently, not both sides, her attacks

vanishes.

Is there any lead ?  LI4 , a yangming channel goes up to the head, face, nose,

mouth, cross the DU channel at Du26. Also LI4 is a big 4gates.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nam,

Might I ask if you had palpated the patient's abdomen and what you found

(tightness, pain, temp differences, etc). I might also ask what the other

previous practitioners had thought, found and treated. If all of you have

thought that she is yin deficient, treated her that way, and aggravated her

symptoms, then I would say that would not appear to be her main issue.

In her history, what do you know about previous conditions, onset of these

symptoms along with other treatments. What has helped and what has not? I

apologize for not re-reading your initial post before I deleted it but today I

have had some thoughts as I read this post.

I am most concerned about her immune system (reflex near McBurney's point) and

also oketsu (st 25-27 areas on her left). Both of these areas are found reactive

in many people, especially with longstanding issues. With issues of the head,

there can be so many local thoughts about what might be causing this to happen.

Basalar insufficiency to nasopharyngitis are two worth considering. If you can

provide this info, it would be most helpful.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

Chinese Medicine

dr_namnguyen58

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:22:20 -0800

Has anybody seen and treated epilepsy successfully? Please help.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Robert,

 

Thanks for your thought and your lead.

 

As you stated that this is a Liv Wind, liver Fire with Ki yin and Blood

deficiency, well I might have to agree with you, but .....

 

There is no factor of Liv Yin def . As you can see there is no symptoms of yin

defciency, neither on pulses, tongues; also there is no sign of liver or

gallbladder problems ( anger, hypochondriac, temporal, vertex, inguinal, tendons

areas, dizziness, headaches, eyesight... no signs of weakness, fatigue,

laziness, shortness of breath... )

 

No signs of kidneys ( lumbar, knees, hearing, bones or falling hairs )

 

No sign of fire ( heat ), dryness, or burning sensation, ulceration , no

inflammation...

 

There is no sign of blood deficiency either ( dry tongue, dry skin, dry stools,

dry eyes, dizziness, itching... ).

 

As I often heard, a syndrome as yours had described, may hit some targets of

High Blood Pressure, or with someone with cancers or with hepatitis, someone

with a long chronic headaches .... diabetes or arthritis with abused medication.

 

If this is a Yin def, there must be some forms of debilitating, weakness. It

must be real and visible because Yin is materialism and visible in form.

 

But this is a special case, wrong treatment would end up her life. I

 

heard that she had gone to visit some acupuncturists and herbalists for

treatments. Each time she went, it got worse and became so severe. Her family

was very angry because they thought were afraid they might have to lose her. It

were very intense and serious.

 

If it is a liv Yin def, we may see yin def first, which means she loses some

weight, dry skin, dry hairs, dry nails, thirst, heat sensation, headache,

dizziness, plus the liver problem ( anger, hypochondriac, temporal areas, eyes,

vertex... and may be related to some allergies ), especially happens at night (

if related to Yin def ).

 

If kid yin def, there must be yin def plus kid problems ( low back, shortness of

breath, knees, bones, hearing, seminal, urination, or bowel movements ... )

 

If there is problem of Blood def , there may be of dry skin, dry blood, lack of

fluid, dry bones, dry eyes, mouth, or ears, dry hairs, dry nails; and maybe some

of internal wind such as headaches or dizziness, vertigo...

 

ROBERT, IF THIS IS A CASE YOU HAD EXPERIENCED AND TREATED IT SUCCESSFULLY, I may

try to follow your lead. However, I need some analysis of yours in your

conclusion of this diagnosis. I would not try if this is just a guess work.

 

Is there anybody has had come across this disease and successfully treated this

illness? please share your experience so we can learn and study more about this.

Or if anybody has a new lead , please air with us so we can study together.

 

 

 

Thanks very much.

 

 

 

Nam Nguyen

 

 

 

 

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Nam,

 

I think there must be something missing. We don't treat " epilepsy " anyway -

we treat Liver or Internal Wind which is causing the shaking. And there

must be some cause of it (blood deficiency or Yin deficiency).

 

If you feel there's nothing you can do, refer it to a more senior

practitioner...I'm sure there is something missing.

 

And has the acupuncture I suggested helped?

 

Also regarding the LI4 stuff you did...Yang Ming channel has the most Qi and

blood. Moving Blood stops internal wind....makes complete sense. And as

Hugh said, many women are blood deficient...

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Nam Nguyen <dr_namnguyen58wrote:

 

>

>

> Dear Robert,

> Thanks for your thought and your lead.

> As you stated that this is a Liv Wind, liver Fire with Ki yin and Blood

> deficiency, well I might have to agree with you, but .....

> There is no factor of Liv Yin def . As you can see there is no symptoms of

> yin defciency, neither on pulses, tongues; also there is no sign of liver

> or gallbladder problems ( anger, hypochondriac, temporal, vertex, inguinal,

> tendons areas, dizziness, headaches, eyesight... no signs of weakness,

> fatigue, laziness, shortness of breath... )

> No signs of kidneys ( lumbar, knees, hearing, bones or falling hairs )

> No sign of fire ( heat ), dryness, or burning sensation, ulceration , no

> inflammation...

> There is no sign of blood deficiency either ( dry tongue, dry skin, dry

> stools, dry eyes, dizziness, itching... ).

> As I often heard, a syndrome as yours had described, may hit some targets

> of High Blood Pressure, or with someone with cancers or with hepatitis,

> someone with a long chronic headaches .... diabetes or arthritis with abused

> medication.

> If this is a Yin def, there must be some forms of debilitating, weakness.

> It must be real and visible because Yin is materialism and visible in form.

> But this is a special case, wrong treatment would end up her life. I

> heard that she had gone to visit some acupuncturists and herbalists for

> treatments. Each time she went, it got worse and became so severe. Her

> family was very angry because they thought were afraid they might have to

> lose her. It were very intense and serious.

> If it is a liv Yin def, we may see yin def first, which means she loses

> some weight, dry skin, dry hairs, dry nails, thirst, heat sensation,

> headache, dizziness, plus the liver problem ( anger, hypochondriac,

> temporal areas, eyes, vertex... and may be related to some allergies ),

> especially happens at night ( if related to Yin def ).

> If kid yin def, there must be yin def plus kid problems ( low back,

> shortness of breath, knees, bones, hearing, seminal, urination, or bowel

> movements ... )

> If there is problem of Blood def , there may be of dry skin, dry blood,

> lack of fluid, dry bones, dry eyes, mouth, or ears, dry hairs, dry nails;

> and maybe some of internal wind such as headaches or dizziness, vertigo...

> ROBERT, IF THIS IS A CASE YOU HAD EXPERIENCED AND TREATED IT SUCCESSFULLY,

> I may try to follow your lead. However, I need some analysis of yours in

> your conclusion of this diagnosis. I would not try if this is just a guess

> work.

> Is there anybody has had come across this disease and successfully treated

> this illness? please share your experience so we can learn and study more

> about this. Or if anybody has a new lead , please air with us so we can

> study together.

>

> Thanks very much.

>

> Nam Nguyen

>

>