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Dear Stefano (how are you? Tomorrow, in the afternoon I'll try to call

you....), dear Jonathan, I agree with you both, because on an integrated

medicine point of view, the couplke Liver/Gall bladder seems to be very

important before surgey. Sometimes other surgey could help, as the 70 years

old lady I saw (not cutting her with a saw) with a HeartMinisterDupuytren,

stright up to the third finger of her right hand. Since she appeared not so

polite saying bye with her hand (policemen said), I began my survey with an

ultrasound liver/GB imaging, finding a huge asymptomatic stone. The day

after the surgical removal (some months later, since no other symptoms were

present, as Qi Mei He, headache, cramps, dizziness and so on), the finger

immediately switched back normal. Gall bladder was very close to rupture

because of the stone dimension. Not only hemocromatosis, steatosis... but a

good, old Qì stagnation in the Lv is enough!

Bye

 

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Inviato: giovedì 1 ottobre 2009 22.54

A: Chinese Medicine

Oggetto: RE: Dupuytren's Disease

 

Dear Jonathan.

 

Beyond our needle, that I'd suggest to everyone, please consider this

relatively new treatment of Dupuytren's Disease. This American surgeon

applies a needle technique invented by a French Doctor.

 

http://www.plasticsurgerysf.com/scrapbook/

 

Ciao,

 

Stefano Marcelli

 

 

Chinese Medicine

[Chinese Medicine

om] On Behalf Of Chinese Medicine

Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:48 AM

Chinese Medicine

Re: Dupuytren's Disease

 

 

Hi All,

 

My understanding of Dupuytren's disease is slightly different then

Richard's. I think that for trigger finger Richard's suggestion would work

just fine, but my understanding of Dupuytren's disease is that it really is

a branch problem.

 

Most of the patients that I have seen with this, develop it first on their

heart meridian, especially around HT 8 for the hands. The people that I have

seen who have it in their feet have had it develop in the Liver meridian

around the top of their feet (around LV 4).

 

From a Western standpoint (so I understand), people who develop Dupuytren's

generally also have underlying Liver problems. This might be because of too

much alcohol causing sclerosis of the Liver, or due to a cystic Liver, or a

fatty liver.

Worse yet, these Liver conditions still might be a branch issue. Lately, two

of my patients with this have found out that they have hemochromatosis.

This is a disorder which stops the body from breaking down the iron in the

body, so patients end up with too much iron in their blood. This can then

cause Liver problems, joint pain, and further down the line Dupuytren's.

 

I would recommend that your friend ask for a blood test for hemochromatosis

(a relatively rare genetic disease), and also have Liver screens to see if

his Liver is functioning fine. If these two root issues are not involved,

then do as Richard says and treat the channels and collaterals in the

forearm. But if it is a Liver or blood problem you will have to treat the

root in order to resolve this.

 

I have two family members who have this, and we have all done research (all

of us are in medicine), and the hemochromatosis was a screen that no one had

thought to get, but once one person had it, we were able to trace it up the

family tree, several generations. Interesting to say the least.

 

Sincerely,

 

L.Ac.

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Greetings,

 

 

 

When I was grappling with treating this condition in a 60 year old male recently

I asked one of my teachers for his thoughts!

 

 

 

Briefly he stated: Dupuytrens is a tenosynovitis of the M.Flexor Digitorum

Longus. This sheath is wrapped around the four tendons that go to the distal

phalangi. Through a lack of moistening of the sheath the tendon starts a process

of inflammation together with the sheath. The process ends with a total

connection between the sheath and the tendon and no proper movement of the

finger. Then the process will go to the next tendon.

 

The moistening (synovial fluid) is a lack of Jin Je or weakness of the Kid yin.

The location (palm of the hand) is the Xin Bao /Pericard or Kid Yang. So there

is an imbalance between Kid Yin and Kid Yang. Usually the Kid Yin is weak to

begin with and and a stagnation starts in Kid Yang (palm of hand).

 

The treatment method was to : nourish / create Kid Yin and harmonise / balance

Kid Yang.

 

 

 

The condition is stubborn and I have had no success in treating him (yet),

however I felt the above explanation was helpful!

 

 

 

Simon

 

 

 

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Fri, 2 Oct 2009 00:43:03 +0200

R: Dupuytren's Disease

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Stefano (how are you? Tomorrow, in the afternoon I'll try to call

you....), dear Jonathan, I agree with you both, because on an integrated

medicine point of view, the couplke Liver/Gall bladder seems to be very

important before surgey. Sometimes other surgey could help, as the 70 years

old lady I saw (not cutting her with a saw) with a HeartMinisterDupuytren,

stright up to the third finger of her right hand. Since she appeared not so

polite saying bye with her hand (policemen said), I began my survey with an

ultrasound liver/GB imaging, finding a huge asymptomatic stone. The day

after the surgical removal (some months later, since no other symptoms were

present, as Qi Mei He, headache, cramps, dizziness and so on), the finger

immediately switched back normal. Gall bladder was very close to rupture

because of the stone dimension. Not only hemocromatosis, steatosis... but a

good, old Qì stagnation in the Lv is enough!

Bye

 

-----Messaggio originale-----

Da: Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine Per conto di

stefanomarcelli

Inviato: giovedì 1 ottobre 2009 22.54

A: Chinese Medicine

Oggetto: RE: Dupuytren's Disease

 

Dear Jonathan.

 

Beyond our needle, that I'd suggest to everyone, please consider this

relatively new treatment of Dupuytren's Disease. This American surgeon

applies a needle technique invented by a French Doctor.

 

http://www.plasticsurgerysf.com/scrapbook/

 

Ciao,

 

Stefano Marcelli

 

Chinese Medicine

[Chinese Medicine

om] On Behalf Of Chinese Medicine

Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:48 AM

Chinese Medicine

Re: Dupuytren's Disease

 

 

Hi All,

 

My understanding of Dupuytren's disease is slightly different then

Richard's. I think that for trigger finger Richard's suggestion would work

just fine, but my understanding of Dupuytren's disease is that it really is

a branch problem.

 

Most of the patients that I have seen with this, develop it first on their

heart meridian, especially around HT 8 for the hands. The people that I have

seen who have it in their feet have had it develop in the Liver meridian

around the top of their feet (around LV 4).

 

From a Western standpoint (so I understand), people who develop Dupuytren's

generally also have underlying Liver problems. This might be because of too

much alcohol causing sclerosis of the Liver, or due to a cystic Liver, or a

fatty liver.

Worse yet, these Liver conditions still might be a branch issue. Lately, two

of my patients with this have found out that they have hemochromatosis.

This is a disorder which stops the body from breaking down the iron in the

body, so patients end up with too much iron in their blood. This can then

cause Liver problems, joint pain, and further down the line Dupuytren's.

 

I would recommend that your friend ask for a blood test for hemochromatosis

(a relatively rare genetic disease), and also have Liver screens to see if

his Liver is functioning fine. If these two root issues are not involved,

then do as Richard says and treat the channels and collaterals in the

forearm. But if it is a Liver or blood problem you will have to treat the

root in order to resolve this.

 

I have two family members who have this, and we have all done research (all

of us are in medicine), and the hemochromatosis was a screen that no one had

thought to get, but once one person had it, we were able to trace it up the

family tree, several generations. Interesting to say the least.

 

Sincerely,

 

L.Ac.

The Database

 

Contact me if you would like to know more about our $1,000 debt repayment

drawing on August 15, 2010. Please direct all inquiries to

webmaster

 

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Versione: 8.5.409 / Database dei virus:

270.13.115/2405 - Data di rilascio: 09/30/09 10:35:00

 

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http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

 

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