Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Dear Stefano (how are you? Tomorrow, in the afternoon I'll try to call you....), dear Jonathan, I agree with you both, because on an integrated medicine point of view, the couplke Liver/Gall bladder seems to be very important before surgey. Sometimes other surgey could help, as the 70 years old lady I saw (not cutting her with a saw) with a HeartMinisterDupuytren, stright up to the third finger of her right hand. Since she appeared not so polite saying bye with her hand (policemen said), I began my survey with an ultrasound liver/GB imaging, finding a huge asymptomatic stone. The day after the surgical removal (some months later, since no other symptoms were present, as Qi Mei He, headache, cramps, dizziness and so on), the finger immediately switched back normal. Gall bladder was very close to rupture because of the stone dimension. Not only hemocromatosis, steatosis... but a good, old Qì stagnation in the Lv is enough! Bye -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine Per conto di stefanomarcelli Inviato: giovedì 1 ottobre 2009 22.54 A: Chinese Medicine Oggetto: RE: Dupuytren's Disease Dear Jonathan. Beyond our needle, that I'd suggest to everyone, please consider this relatively new treatment of Dupuytren's Disease. This American surgeon applies a needle technique invented by a French Doctor. http://www.plasticsurgerysf.com/scrapbook/ Ciao, Stefano Marcelli Chinese Medicine [Chinese Medicine om] On Behalf Of Chinese Medicine Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:48 AM Chinese Medicine Re: Dupuytren's Disease Hi All, My understanding of Dupuytren's disease is slightly different then Richard's. I think that for trigger finger Richard's suggestion would work just fine, but my understanding of Dupuytren's disease is that it really is a branch problem. Most of the patients that I have seen with this, develop it first on their heart meridian, especially around HT 8 for the hands. The people that I have seen who have it in their feet have had it develop in the Liver meridian around the top of their feet (around LV 4). From a Western standpoint (so I understand), people who develop Dupuytren's generally also have underlying Liver problems. This might be because of too much alcohol causing sclerosis of the Liver, or due to a cystic Liver, or a fatty liver. Worse yet, these Liver conditions still might be a branch issue. Lately, two of my patients with this have found out that they have hemochromatosis. This is a disorder which stops the body from breaking down the iron in the body, so patients end up with too much iron in their blood. This can then cause Liver problems, joint pain, and further down the line Dupuytren's. I would recommend that your friend ask for a blood test for hemochromatosis (a relatively rare genetic disease), and also have Liver screens to see if his Liver is functioning fine. If these two root issues are not involved, then do as Richard says and treat the channels and collaterals in the forearm. But if it is a Liver or blood problem you will have to treat the root in order to resolve this. I have two family members who have this, and we have all done research (all of us are in medicine), and the hemochromatosis was a screen that no one had thought to get, but once one person had it, we were able to trace it up the family tree, several generations. Interesting to say the least. Sincerely, L.Ac. The Database Contact me if you would like to know more about our $1,000 debt repayment drawing on August 15, 2010. Please direct all inquiries to webmaster Nessun virus nel messaggio in arrivo. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 8.5.409 / Database dei virus: 270.13.115/2405 - Data di rilascio: 09/30/09 10:35:00 --- Subscribe to the free online journal for TCM at Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese medicine and acupuncture, click, http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Greetings, When I was grappling with treating this condition in a 60 year old male recently I asked one of my teachers for his thoughts! Briefly he stated: Dupuytrens is a tenosynovitis of the M.Flexor Digitorum Longus. This sheath is wrapped around the four tendons that go to the distal phalangi. Through a lack of moistening of the sheath the tendon starts a process of inflammation together with the sheath. The process ends with a total connection between the sheath and the tendon and no proper movement of the finger. Then the process will go to the next tendon. The moistening (synovial fluid) is a lack of Jin Je or weakness of the Kid yin. The location (palm of the hand) is the Xin Bao /Pericard or Kid Yang. So there is an imbalance between Kid Yin and Kid Yang. Usually the Kid Yin is weak to begin with and and a stagnation starts in Kid Yang (palm of hand). The treatment method was to : nourish / create Kid Yin and harmonise / balance Kid Yang. The condition is stubborn and I have had no success in treating him (yet), however I felt the above explanation was helpful! Simon Chinese Medicine saudelligabriele Fri, 2 Oct 2009 00:43:03 +0200 R: Dupuytren's Disease Dear Stefano (how are you? Tomorrow, in the afternoon I'll try to call you....), dear Jonathan, I agree with you both, because on an integrated medicine point of view, the couplke Liver/Gall bladder seems to be very important before surgey. Sometimes other surgey could help, as the 70 years old lady I saw (not cutting her with a saw) with a HeartMinisterDupuytren, stright up to the third finger of her right hand. Since she appeared not so polite saying bye with her hand (policemen said), I began my survey with an ultrasound liver/GB imaging, finding a huge asymptomatic stone. The day after the surgical removal (some months later, since no other symptoms were present, as Qi Mei He, headache, cramps, dizziness and so on), the finger immediately switched back normal. Gall bladder was very close to rupture because of the stone dimension. Not only hemocromatosis, steatosis... but a good, old Qì stagnation in the Lv is enough! Bye -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine Per conto di stefanomarcelli Inviato: giovedì 1 ottobre 2009 22.54 A: Chinese Medicine Oggetto: RE: Dupuytren's Disease Dear Jonathan. Beyond our needle, that I'd suggest to everyone, please consider this relatively new treatment of Dupuytren's Disease. This American surgeon applies a needle technique invented by a French Doctor. http://www.plasticsurgerysf.com/scrapbook/ Ciao, Stefano Marcelli Chinese Medicine [Chinese Medicine om] On Behalf Of Chinese Medicine Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:48 AM Chinese Medicine Re: Dupuytren's Disease Hi All, My understanding of Dupuytren's disease is slightly different then Richard's. I think that for trigger finger Richard's suggestion would work just fine, but my understanding of Dupuytren's disease is that it really is a branch problem. Most of the patients that I have seen with this, develop it first on their heart meridian, especially around HT 8 for the hands. The people that I have seen who have it in their feet have had it develop in the Liver meridian around the top of their feet (around LV 4). From a Western standpoint (so I understand), people who develop Dupuytren's generally also have underlying Liver problems. This might be because of too much alcohol causing sclerosis of the Liver, or due to a cystic Liver, or a fatty liver. Worse yet, these Liver conditions still might be a branch issue. Lately, two of my patients with this have found out that they have hemochromatosis. This is a disorder which stops the body from breaking down the iron in the body, so patients end up with too much iron in their blood. This can then cause Liver problems, joint pain, and further down the line Dupuytren's. I would recommend that your friend ask for a blood test for hemochromatosis (a relatively rare genetic disease), and also have Liver screens to see if his Liver is functioning fine. If these two root issues are not involved, then do as Richard says and treat the channels and collaterals in the forearm. But if it is a Liver or blood problem you will have to treat the root in order to resolve this. I have two family members who have this, and we have all done research (all of us are in medicine), and the hemochromatosis was a screen that no one had thought to get, but once one person had it, we were able to trace it up the family tree, several generations. Interesting to say the least. Sincerely, L.Ac. The Database Contact me if you would like to know more about our $1,000 debt repayment drawing on August 15, 2010. Please direct all inquiries to webmaster Nessun virus nel messaggio in arrivo. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 8.5.409 / Database dei virus: 270.13.115/2405 - Data di rilascio: 09/30/09 10:35:00 --- Subscribe to the free online journal for TCM at Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese medicine and acupuncture, click, http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. 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