Guest guest Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 As with liquid in the channels... what about ying Qi (nutritive) flowing inside of the vessels? Why are the shu-transporting points described as water... well,spring,stream,river,sea? Why are the point locations not described more specifically? How come the Chinese painted landscapes and bodies more like curves in the mind than concrete physical-reality? The more we say " this is how it is " , the less of total reality we actually describe. K On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:46 AM, <acudoc11 wrote: > > > Hi David > > Yes....on one hand we can not blindly believe what people say or > purportedly translated (??) and on the other we also cannot blindly believe > that > everything has been uncovered or explained. > > As to Lung 5 you are again correct that on one hand the point as with many > if not all points there exists a leeway of location but that was not what I > > was addressing. > > Some of the so-called literati in TCM/AOM think who the heck is this > person to challenge written concepts. > I questioned the status quo with Lung 5 ........not on the basis as you > suggest which is also true..... but on the basis of poor teaching from the > AOM night-trade-schools who in turn, in part, apparently base their ideas > on > translations (??) which could either be incorrect or certainly lacking in > clarity. > > The location of Lung 5 as depicted in most writings.... even going back to > the Classics..... is lacking in clarity and specificity. I contend, in > part, because it was unnecessary for the masters to give every obvious > detail > but more so today because some have taken things in a most limited > understanding way and propound what they think they know as Gospel. > > I also asked my dear friend and mentor Wu Laoshi (Wu, Boping, MD OMD PhD - > China) many years ago about liquid in the acupuncture channels. > > At first he was perturbed responding that there was only Qi in the > channels/meridians. > > But then I mirrored back to him one of his axiomatic statements which was > that " qi and xue and other fluids are only separate when we are dead " . > > Therefore I asked him again whether or not there was moisture in the > acupuncture channels. To which he replied after pondering for > awhile.... " now you > are getting very profound " . My response was that the human body/being was > already profound and since it was at least 70% flowing fluids there HAD to > be liquid/moisture in the channels. > > Couple this with what Wu Laoshi has said that there are at least 2,000 > extremely important books out of about another 10,000 TCM books which have > NEVER been translated into modern Chinese no less English. > > Richard > > > > > In a message dated 09/29/09 12:23:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > singlewhip2001 <singlewhip2001%40> writes: > > Hello Richard: > > Well this is exactly what I am saying. We can not blindly believe what > people say or what a book says. But if one is referencing a book atleast we > > should look at what they say. > > I think there is a good reason why Lung 5 is not exactly desctibed, > because the location is not a rigid thing, it can have a range. The Nei > Jing is > clearly about palpating, feeling, these precise cun measurements got listed > > by people trying to standardize our medicine. The needle depths in books is > > just a standard, it needs to be adjusted for the shape of every person. > > The Renying/Cukuo pulse is about listing to the body response and stopping > a treatment when the pusle indicates the body has responded, not a fixed > time for every patient to make the practioners job easier. > > Yes, as times goes on practioners apply new applications based on > principles in the old literature, but how many of us really study the > literature, > dedicate time and effort to it? > > regards, > david > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Agreed. Its also like asking how many channels exist or is there really only one channel? Richard In a message dated 09/29/09 2:24:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, johnkokko writes: As with liquid in the channels... what about ying Qi (nutritive) flowing inside of the vessels? Why are the shu-transporting points described as water... well,spring,well,spring,well Why are the point locations not described more specifically? How come the Chinese painted landscapes and bodies more like curves in the mind than concrete physical-reality? The more we say " this is how it is " , the less of total reality we actually describe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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