Guest guest Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Karen Use Ba Gua Fa....a combination of both Gua Sha and empty suction cupping. For the cupping you'll need small curved cups applied top the forearms and hands. For Gua Sha use sharpened stone which affords a greater directed force than horn or plastic to breakdown the thickened superficial fascia. Between these two modalities the excessive tensions and counter-tensions in the fascia along with other stagnation can be released alleviating the contractions. The focused application of Ba Gua Fa is extremely efficacious in releasing thickened fascia. Follow and apply to all channels in the forearms and hands - even to the elbows if needed. Clear the channels and release the fascia and you will have results. Adjunctively use TCM formula(s). Richard. In a message dated 9/27/2009 7:20:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, turusachan writes: Hi all - a friend of mine was asking if acupuncture would help him with Dupuytren's Disease. (see _http://arthritis.http://arthttp://arthrithttp://arthrithttp://a_ (http://arthritis.webmd.com/tc/dupuytrens-disease-topic-overview) for general information) for general information)<WBR>. It's a bit like trigger finger, but doesn't release, and involves a thickening of the fascia. He has it in his hands, and it's starting in his feet. He's having trouble using his hands, and since he's always been a builder as well as a writer, this can be a problem. I think he's about 65; I haven't seen him as a patient, so don't h He wants to avoid surgery, which seems to be one of those 'if nothing else works we'll try this and hope for the best' solutions. I haven't found anything; maybe you have some thoughts? tx Karen Karen R. Adams, Lic Ac, Dipl Ac 25 - 27 Bank Row Greenfield, MA 01301 413-768-8333 I cannot be more than I am. I cannot be less than I am. But I must be all that I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Hi all - a friend of mine was asking if acupuncture would help him with Dupuytren's Disease. (see http://arthritis.webmd.com/tc/dupuytrens-disease-topic-overview for general information). It's a bit like trigger finger, but doesn't release, and involves a thickening of the fascia. He has it in his hands, and it's starting in his feet. He's having trouble using his hands, and since he's always been a builder as well as a writer, this can be a problem. I think he's about 65; I haven't seen him as a patient, so don't have any diagnosis information. He wants to avoid surgery, which seems to be one of those 'if nothing else works we'll try this and hope for the best' solutions. I haven't found anything; maybe you have some thoughts? tx Karen Karen R. Adams, Lic Ac, Dipl Ac 25 - 27 Bank Row Greenfield, MA 01301 413-768-8333 I cannot be more than I am. I cannot be less than I am. But I must be all that I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Thanks Jonathan for a more encompassing view of this presentation. If you noticed I did say that herbal formulas should be addressed according to the pattern. To clarify - the application of Ba Gua Fa even in clearing channels works to recitfy part of the imbalance from the outside-in and should be coupled with materia media from the inside. A physical blockage./compression syndrome can be afforded relief - even if just adjunctively - with Ba Gua Fa. Richard Richard In a message dated 9/30/2009 6:55:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jonk2012 writes: Hi All, My understanding of Dupuytren's disease is slightly different then Richard's. I think that for trigger finger Richard's suggestion would work just fine, but my understanding of Dupuytren's disease is that it really is a branch problem. Most of the patients that I have seen with this, develop it first on their heart meridian, especially around HT 8 for the hands. The people that I have seen who have it in their feet have had it develop in the Liver meridian around the top of their feet (around LV 4). From a Western standpoint (so I understand), people who develop Dupuytren's generally also have underlying Liver problems. This might be because of too much alcohol causing sclerosis of the Liver, or due to a cystic Liver, or a fatty liver. Worse yet, these Liver conditions still might be a branch issue. Lately, two of my patients with this have found out that they have hemochromatosis. This is a disorder which stops the body from breaking down the iron in the body, so patients end up with too much iron in their blood. This can then cause Liver problems, joint pain, and further down the line Dupuytren's. I would recommend that your friend ask for a blood test for hemochromatosis (a relatively rare genetic disease), and also have Liver screens to see if his Liver is functioning fine. If these two root issues are not involved, then do as Richard says and treat the channels and collaterals in the forearm. But if it is a Liver or blood problem you will have to treat the root in order to resolve this. I have two family members who have this, and we have all done research (all of us are in medicine), and the hemochromatosis was a screen that no one had thought to get, but once one person had it, we were able to trace it up the family tree, several generations. Interesting to say the least. Sincerely, L.Ac. The Database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Hi All, My understanding of Dupuytren's disease is slightly different then Richard's. I think that for trigger finger Richard's suggestion would work just fine, but my understanding of Dupuytren's disease is that it really is a branch problem. Most of the patients that I have seen with this, develop it first on their heart meridian, especially around HT 8 for the hands. The people that I have seen who have it in their feet have had it develop in the Liver meridian around the top of their feet (around LV 4). From a Western standpoint (so I understand), people who develop Dupuytren's generally also have underlying Liver problems. This might be because of too much alcohol causing sclerosis of the Liver, or due to a cystic Liver, or a fatty liver. Worse yet, these Liver conditions still might be a branch issue. Lately, two of my patients with this have found out that they have hemochromatosis. This is a disorder which stops the body from breaking down the iron in the body, so patients end up with too much iron in their blood. This can then cause Liver problems, joint pain, and further down the line Dupuytren's. I would recommend that your friend ask for a blood test for hemochromatosis (a relatively rare genetic disease), and also have Liver screens to see if his Liver is functioning fine. If these two root issues are not involved, then do as Richard says and treat the channels and collaterals in the forearm. But if it is a Liver or blood problem you will have to treat the root in order to resolve this. I have two family members who have this, and we have all done research (all of us are in medicine), and the hemochromatosis was a screen that no one had thought to get, but once one person had it, we were able to trace it up the family tree, several generations. Interesting to say the least. Sincerely, L.Ac. The Database Contact me if you would like to know more about our $1,000 debt repayment drawing on August 15, 2010. Please direct all inquiries to webmaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Dear Jonathan. Beyond our needle, that I'd suggest to everyone, please consider this relatively new treatment of Dupuytren's Disease. This American surgeon applies a needle technique invented by a French Doctor. http://www.plasticsurgerysf.com/scrapbook/ Ciao, Stefano Marcelli Chinese Medicine [Chinese Medicine om] On Behalf Of Chinese Medicine Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:48 AM Chinese Medicine Re: Dupuytren's Disease Hi All, My understanding of Dupuytren's disease is slightly different then Richard's. I think that for trigger finger Richard's suggestion would work just fine, but my understanding of Dupuytren's disease is that it really is a branch problem. Most of the patients that I have seen with this, develop it first on their heart meridian, especially around HT 8 for the hands. The people that I have seen who have it in their feet have had it develop in the Liver meridian around the top of their feet (around LV 4). From a Western standpoint (so I understand), people who develop Dupuytren's generally also have underlying Liver problems. This might be because of too much alcohol causing sclerosis of the Liver, or due to a cystic Liver, or a fatty liver. Worse yet, these Liver conditions still might be a branch issue. Lately, two of my patients with this have found out that they have hemochromatosis. This is a disorder which stops the body from breaking down the iron in the body, so patients end up with too much iron in their blood. This can then cause Liver problems, joint pain, and further down the line Dupuytren's. I would recommend that your friend ask for a blood test for hemochromatosis (a relatively rare genetic disease), and also have Liver screens to see if his Liver is functioning fine. If these two root issues are not involved, then do as Richard says and treat the channels and collaterals in the forearm. But if it is a Liver or blood problem you will have to treat the root in order to resolve this. I have two family members who have this, and we have all done research (all of us are in medicine), and the hemochromatosis was a screen that no one had thought to get, but once one person had it, we were able to trace it up the family tree, several generations. Interesting to say the least. Sincerely, L.Ac. The Database Contact me if you would like to know more about our $1,000 debt repayment drawing on August 15, 2010. Please direct all inquiries to webmaster Nessun virus nel messaggio in arrivo. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 8.5.409 / Database dei virus: 270.13.115/2405 - Data di rilascio: 09/30/09 10:35:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chave Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Hi Jonathan I would be interested in knowing more about the Dupuytren's/iron overload question. I came to a suspicion about that connection independently and have been trying to find more information about it--at least others with the same suspicion. My husband has D, has had some high iron readings (transferrin sat and serum) and I have been trying to get him to donate blood on a regular basis. He is dubious and resistant to the bleeding schedule. Without high ferritin (which he never reached, but won't now because of donating) a regular doctor will never suspect H. I'm considering the take home DNA swab from, I think, Michigan State U. Cori H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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