How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

[Guest guest]

I've been tx a patient for a while whom we have reason to suspect candida

based on sx presentation/med hist. she is highly reluctant to present at

great smokies/lenova (we live in asheville) because she doesn't want to get

involved in the west med world work-up. any ideas about how to get a stool

test for candida without going through an MD?

 

kath

 

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Kath,

Great smokies, which is now called Genova labs works with all licensed

practitioners, not just MDs.  I have ordered tests from them on multiple

occasions.

 

, candidate,

DAOM \

 

 

--- On Thu, 9/24/09, wrote:

 

 

How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

" PCOM Alumni " <alumni

Cc: " Moyer LAc, Sandra " <moyerlac, " Kingoff LAc, Andrew "

<kingoff_acupuncture, " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine >, " Kim LAc, Hannah "

<hannahskim, " Godino LAc, Jessica " <plumblossom1

Thursday, September 24, 2009, 4:12 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've been tx a patient for a while whom we have reason to

suspect candida

 

based on sx presentation/ med hist. she is highly reluctant to present at

 

great smokies/lenova (we live in asheville) because she doesn't want to get

 

involved in the west med world work-up. any ideas about how to get a stool

 

test for candida without going through an MD?

 

 

 

kath

 

 

 

--

 

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

 

Oriental Medicine

 

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

 

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

 

http://acukath. blogspot. com/

 

 

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

 

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

 

Available at Asheville Center for :

 

www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

 

 

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

 

 

and from the following supply companies:

 

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

 

https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

 

 

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

 

http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

 

 

 

Asheville Center For

 

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

 

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

 

kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

 

www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am pretty sure that (now) Genova requires a L.Ac to be under someone else

to order tests (e.g. M.D. , ND etc.) However, there is also Metametrix.

 

 

 

-Jason

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of yehuda

frischman

Friday, September 25, 2009 1:42 AM

Chinese Medicine

Re: How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

 

 

 

 

 

Kath,

Great smokies, which is now called Genova labs works with all licensed

practitioners, not just MDs. I have ordered tests from them on multiple

occasions.

 

, candidate,

DAOMwww.traditionaljewishmedicine.blogspot.

com

 

--- On Thu, 9/24/09, <acukath

<acukath%40gmail.com> > wrote:

 

<acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>

>

How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

" PCOM Alumni " <alumni

<alumni%40pacificcollege.edu> >

Cc: " Moyer LAc, Sandra " <moyerlac <moyerlac%40aol.com> >,

" Kingoff LAc, Andrew " <kingoff_acupuncture

<kingoff_acupuncture%40> >, " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine

<Chinese Traditional Medicine%40> >, " Kim LAc, Hannah "

<hannahskim <hannahskim%40> >, " Godino LAc,

Jessica " <plumblossom1 <plumblossom1%40charter.net> >

Thursday, September 24, 2009, 4:12 PM

 

 

 

I've been tx a patient for a while whom we have reason to suspect candida

 

based on sx presentation/ med hist. she is highly reluctant to present at

 

great smokies/lenova (we live in asheville) because she doesn't want to get

 

involved in the west med world work-up. any ideas about how to get a stool

 

test for candida without going through an MD?

 

kath

 

--

 

 

 

Oriental Medicine

 

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

 

http://acukath. blogspot. com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

 

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

 

Available at Asheville Center for :

 

www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

and from the following supply companies:

 

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

 

https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

 

http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

 

Asheville Center For

 

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

 

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

 

kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

 

www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " "

wrote:

>

> I've been tx a patient for a while whom we have reason to suspect candida

> based on sx presentation/med hist. she is highly reluctant to present at

> great smokies/lenova (we live in asheville) because she doesn't want to get

> involved in the west med world work-up. any ideas about how to get a stool

> test for candida without going through an MD?

>

> kath

>

> --

 

google: online lab testing

 

patient orders test themselves online, online company provides doctor order for

test. they use local labs all over the country. don't know how this does or

doesn't work with insurance.

 

http://www.privatemdlabs.com is one example, but i have no + or - thing to say

about this particular one.

 

good luck.

[Guest guest]

Just ordered and received tests from Genova this week. It may be because CA

Lac's have this as part of their scope of practice - call'em, find out and

let us know!

 

Benj

Benjamin E. Dierauf, LAc, MS

Academic Dean, Admissions Chair

 

Acupuncture & Integrative Medicine College, Berkeley

2550 Shattuck Ave.

Berkeley, CA 94704

[Guest guest]

i'm in NC. several years ago a neighbor of mine worked for then great

smokies and inquired for me. at that time they would not let NC LAcs order

tests. things could have changed, but to my knowledge we still cannot order

the tests from them. our practice act is silent on the issue of lab tests,

neither specifying that we can or cannot order lab tests.

 

kath

 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:26 AM, <

> wrote:

 

>

>

> I am pretty sure that (now) Genova requires a L.Ac to be under someone else

> to order tests (e.g. M.D. , ND etc.) However, there is also Metametrix.

>

> -Jason

>

>

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

>

[Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medicin\

e%40>]

> On Behalf Of yehuda

> frischman

> Friday, September 25, 2009 1:42 AM

> To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> Re: How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

>

>

> Kath,

> Great smokies, which is now called Genova labs works with all licensed

> practitioners, not just MDs. I have ordered tests from them on multiple

> occasions.

>

> , candidate,

>

> DAOMwww.traditionaljewishmedicine.blogspot.

> com

>

> --- On Thu, 9/24/09,

<acukath<acukath%40gmail.com>

> <acukath%40gmail.com <acukath%2540gmail.com>> > wrote:

>

> <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com><

> acukath%40gmail.com <acukath%2540gmail.com>>

> >

> How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

> <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu <alumni%2540pacificcollege.edu>> >

> Cc: " Moyer LAc, Sandra " <moyerlac <moyerlac%40aol.com> <

> moyerlac%40aol.com <moyerlac%2540aol.com>> >,

> " Kingoff LAc, Andrew "

<kingoff_acupuncture<kingoff_acupuncture%40>

> <kingoff_acupuncture%40<kingoff_acupuncture%2540>>

> >, " TCM List "

>

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>

>

<Chinese Traditional Medicine%40<traditional_chinese_medic\

ine%2540>>

> >, " Kim LAc, Hannah "

> <hannahskim <hannahskim%40> <

> hannahskim%40 <hannahskim%2540>> >, " Godino LAc,

> Jessica " <plumblossom1 <plumblossom1%40charter.net> <

> plumblossom1%40charter.net <plumblossom1%2540charter.net>> >

>

> Thursday, September 24, 2009, 4:12 PM

>

> I've been tx a patient for a while whom we have reason to suspect candida

>

> based on sx presentation/ med hist. she is highly reluctant to present at

>

> great smokies/lenova (we live in asheville) because she doesn't want to get

>

> involved in the west med world work-up. any ideas about how to get a stool

>

> test for candida without going through an MD?

>

> kath

>

> --

>

>

>

> Oriental Medicine

>

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

>

> http://acukath. blogspot. com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

>

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

>

> Available at Asheville Center for :

>

> www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> and from the following supply companies:

>

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

>

> https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>

> http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

> 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

>

> Asheville Center For

>

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

>

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

>

> kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

>

> www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

i'm looking for some specific tests on stool samples for parasites that from

what i understand only a few labs do, including genova and diagnostecs, not

a general blood/lipid panel. i'm also interested in a finger prick blood

test for food allergies from biotech.

 

kath

 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:14 AM, < wrote:

 

>

>

> --- In

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> " " wrote:

> >

> > I've been tx a patient for a while whom we have reason to suspect candida

> > based on sx presentation/med hist. she is highly reluctant to present at

> > great smokies/lenova (we live in asheville) because she doesn't want to

> get

> > involved in the west med world work-up. any ideas about how to get a

> stool

> > test for candida without going through an MD?

> >

> > kath

> >

> > --

>

> google: online lab testing

>

> patient orders test themselves online, online company provides doctor order

> for test. they use local labs all over the country. don't know how this does

> or doesn't work with insurance.

>

> http://www.privatemdlabs.com is one example, but i have no + or - thing to

> say about this particular one.

>

> good luck.

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Kath,

Many state regulatory boards are not supposed to provide legal advice and that

usually includes interpretation of statutes. Seems odd when you call and want to

know beforehand if you are following the law. They seem to want to force you to

act and then there can be a legal reaction filed, hearing, etc. Our statutes in

many states do not allow for LAc to order lab tests, a few are different on this

issue. Maybe you can find another provider such as a ND or DC in your state

that will work with your patient. Best of luck in your search.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

Chinese Medicine

acukath

Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:08:03 -0400

Re: How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i'm in NC. several years ago a neighbor of mine worked for

then great

 

smokies and inquired for me. at that time they would not let NC LAcs order

 

tests. things could have changed, but to my knowledge we still cannot order

 

the tests from them. our practice act is silent on the issue of lab tests,

 

neither specifying that we can or cannot order lab tests.

 

 

 

kath

 

 

 

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:26 AM, <

 

> wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

>

 

> I am pretty sure that (now) Genova requires a L.Ac to be under someone else

 

> to order tests (e.g. M.D. , ND etc.) However, there is also Metametrix.

 

>

 

> -Jason

 

>

 

>

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

 

>

[Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medicin\

e%40>]

 

> On Behalf Of yehuda

 

> frischman

 

> Friday, September 25, 2009 1:42 AM

 

> To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

 

> Re: How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

 

>

 

>

 

> Kath,

 

> Great smokies, which is now called Genova labs works with all licensed

 

> practitioners, not just MDs. I have ordered tests from them on multiple

 

> occasions.

 

>

 

> , candidate,

 

>

 

> DAOMwww.traditionaljewishmedicine.blogspot.

 

> com

 

>

 

> --- On Thu, 9/24/09,

<acukath<acukath%40gmail.com>

 

> <acukath%40gmail.com <acukath%2540gmail.com>> > wrote:

 

>

 

> <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com><

 

> acukath%40gmail.com <acukath%2540gmail.com>>

 

> >

 

> How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

 

> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

 

> <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu <alumni%2540pacificcollege.edu>> >

 

> Cc: " Moyer LAc, Sandra " <moyerlac <moyerlac%40aol.com> <

 

> moyerlac%40aol.com <moyerlac%2540aol.com>> >,

 

> " Kingoff LAc, Andrew "

<kingoff_acupuncture<kingoff_acupuncture%40>

 

> <kingoff_acupuncture%40<kingoff_acupuncture%2540>>

 

> >, " TCM List "

 

>

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>

 

>

<Chinese Traditional Medicine%40<traditional_chinese_medic\

ine%2540>>

 

> >, " Kim LAc, Hannah "

 

> <hannahskim <hannahskim%40> <

 

> hannahskim%40 <hannahskim%2540>> >, " Godino LAc,

 

> Jessica " <plumblossom1 <plumblossom1%40charter.net> <

 

> plumblossom1%40charter.net <plumblossom1%2540charter.net>> >

 

>

 

> Thursday, September 24, 2009, 4:12 PM

 

>

 

> I've been tx a patient for a while whom we have reason to suspect candida

 

>

 

> based on sx presentation/ med hist. she is highly reluctant to present at

 

>

 

> great smokies/lenova (we live in asheville) because she doesn't want to get

 

>

 

> involved in the west med world work-up. any ideas about how to get a stool

 

>

 

> test for candida without going through an MD?

 

>

 

> kath

 

>

 

> --

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Oriental Medicine

 

>

 

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

>

 

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

 

>

 

> http://acukath. blogspot. com/

 

>

 

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

 

>

 

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

 

>

 

> Available at Asheville Center for :

 

>

 

> www.FlyingDragonLin iment.com

 

>

 

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

>

 

> and from the following supply companies:

 

>

 

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

 

>

 

> https://www. kamwo.com/ shop/product. php?productid= 17442 & cat= 0 & page=1

 

>

 

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

 

>

 

> http://www.goldenne edleonline. com/index. php?page= categories & category=

 

> 14 & vendor= & product= 5554 & pg=

 

>

 

> Asheville Center For

 

>

 

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

 

>

 

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

 

>

 

> kbartlett@Acupunctu reAsheville. com

 

>

 

> www.AcupunctureAshe ville.com

 

>

 

>

[Guest guest]

Genova does lab tests for California acupuncturists with no requirement for an

MD referral. When I lived in Asheville for 5 years, Great Smokies (now Genova)

would do lab tests for me. Stool tests for candida should be no problem. Blood

tests may be a problem.

 

- Bill Schoenbart

 

 

Chinese Medicine , mike Bowser

<naturaldoc1 wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> i'm in NC. several years ago a neighbor of mine worked for

then great

>

> smokies and inquired for me. at that time they would not let NC LAcs order

>

> tests. things could have changed, but to my knowledge we still cannot order

>

> the tests from them. our practice act is silent on the issue of lab tests,

>

> neither specifying that we can or cannot order lab tests.

>

>

>

> kath

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kath -

 

Mike is right. This is a state by state issue that is dependent upon the legal

code. When I practiced in California, I ordered Great Smokies work ups. Itwas

much more difficult in Massachusetts where the code did not provide for such

work. Then, the more common is the grey zone states with a lack of clarity in

the scope of practice language.

 

 

Mike - I have to disagree about state regulatory boards and interpretation of

statutes. State boards - across the board - are required to write rules. The

rules language is an interpretation of code for the purpose of regulating a

profession.

 

I think that the interpretation you are referring to is the application 'in a

single case' as opposed to the rulings affecting the professional practice.

 

Warmly,

 

Will Morris

 

 

Chinese Medicine , mike Bowser

<naturaldoc1 wrote:

>

>

> Kath,

> Many state regulatory boards are not supposed to provide legal advice and that

usually includes interpretation of statutes. Seems odd when you call and want to

know beforehand if you are following the law. They seem to want to force you to

act and then there can be a legal reaction filed, hearing, etc. Our statutes in

many states do not allow for LAc to order lab tests, a few are different on this

issue. Maybe you can find another provider such as a ND or DC in your state

that will work with your patient. Best of luck in your search.

 

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> Chinese Medicine

> acukath

> Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:08:03 -0400

> Re: How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

[Guest guest]

thanks Bill. the neighbor/employee may have been looking into ordering

blood work.

 

kath

 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:09 PM, bill_schoenbart <plantmed2wrote:

 

>

>

> Genova does lab tests for California acupuncturists with no requirement for

> an MD referral. When I lived in Asheville for 5 years, Great Smokies (now

> Genova) would do lab tests for me. Stool tests for candida should be no

> problem. Blood tests may be a problem.

>

> - Bill Schoenbart

>

>

> --- In

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > i'm in NC. several years ago a neighbor of mine worked for then great

> >

> > smokies and inquired for me. at that time they would not let NC LAcs

> order

> >

> > tests. things could have changed, but to my knowledge we still cannot

> order

> >

> > the tests from them. our practice act is silent on the issue of lab

> tests,

> >

> > neither specifying that we can or cannot order lab tests.

> >

> >

> >

> > kath

> >

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

fyi: went to genova website and filled out a form for a starter kit. got

this back from them:

 

To properly offer our services to you, we are required to comply with

Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services guidelines that determine who may

order lab tests. The Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments of 1988,

(CLIA) established regulations governing laboratory testing in order to

protect both patient and practitioner. These regulations state that a

clinical laboratory may perform laboratory services and report results only

upon the order of a physician or other person authorized by the state law to

order those tests.

 

 

 

If you are one of the following degrees; *(MD, DPM, DO, DC, Optometrist,

DDS, LNP, LPA- you do need a physician authorization.) Any other degree

type, please complete the Client information form and have an Authorizing

Physician complete the form, along with the Physician Authorization forms.

Once complete, please fax the paperwork to the number below, with a copy of

license.*

 

 

Please fill out the enclosed Client Information Form and fax back to

828-252-9303 along with a copy of your state license and we will set up an

account for you. Once the account is activated you will be able to order

testing from Genova Diagnostics. In 3 – 5 days you will receive a Getting

Started packet detailing all that we offer as a laboratory including

pricing.

 

 

followed up with a phone call. in nc, only the degrees listed in bold can

order tests from them. others have to get a practitioner with one of those

degrees to co-sign/authorize you. patients cannot go direct, must go

through one of these physicians. they do not have docs at the facility for

practitioners or patients to go through.

 

kath

 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:09 PM, bill_schoenbart <plantmed2wrote:

 

>

>

> Genova does lab tests for California acupuncturists with no requirement for

> an MD referral. When I lived in Asheville for 5 years, Great Smokies (now

> Genova) would do lab tests for me. Stool tests for candida should be no

> problem. Blood tests may be a problem.

>

> - Bill Schoenbart

>

>

> --- In

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > i'm in NC. several years ago a neighbor of mine worked for then great

> >

> > smokies and inquired for me. at that time they would not let NC LAcs

> order

> >

> > tests. things could have changed, but to my knowledge we still cannot

> order

> >

> > the tests from them. our practice act is silent on the issue of lab

> tests,

> >

> > neither specifying that we can or cannot order lab tests.

> >

> >

> >

> > kath

> >

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes, I always ordered tests from Genova in the past, but recently they told

me that they would not do that any more. I guess they just don't want to get

into trouble with a gray area.

 

Regards,

Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

 

angelapfa

 

www.InnerhealthSalem.com

 

Phone: 503 364 3022

-

" "

<Chinese Medicine >

Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:32 PM

Re: How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

 

 

fyi: went to genova website and filled out a form for a starter kit. got

this back from them:

 

To properly offer our services to you, we are required to comply with

Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services guidelines that determine who may

order lab tests. The Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments of 1988,

(CLIA) established regulations governing laboratory testing in order to

protect both patient and practitioner. These regulations state that a

clinical laboratory may perform laboratory services and report results only

upon the order of a physician or other person authorized by the state law to

order those tests.

 

 

 

If you are one of the following degrees; *(MD, DPM, DO, DC, Optometrist,

DDS, LNP, LPA- you do need a physician authorization.) Any other degree

type, please complete the Client information form and have an Authorizing

Physician complete the form, along with the Physician Authorization forms.

Once complete, please fax the paperwork to the number below, with a copy of

license.*

 

 

Please fill out the enclosed Client Information Form and fax back to

828-252-9303 along with a copy of your state license and we will set up an

account for you. Once the account is activated you will be able to order

testing from Genova Diagnostics. In 3 - 5 days you will receive a Getting

Started packet detailing all that we offer as a laboratory including

pricing.

 

 

followed up with a phone call. in nc, only the degrees listed in bold can

order tests from them. others have to get a practitioner with one of those

degrees to co-sign/authorize you. patients cannot go direct, must go

through one of these physicians. they do not have docs at the facility for

practitioners or patients to go through.

 

kath

 

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 7:09 PM, bill_schoenbart <plantmed2wrote:

 

>

>

> Genova does lab tests for California acupuncturists with no requirement

> for

> an MD referral. When I lived in Asheville for 5 years, Great Smokies (now

> Genova) would do lab tests for me. Stool tests for candida should be no

> problem. Blood tests may be a problem.

>

> - Bill Schoenbart

>

>

> --- In

>

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > i'm in NC. several years ago a neighbor of mine worked for then great

> >

> > smokies and inquired for me. at that time they would not let NC LAcs

> order

> >

> > tests. things could have changed, but to my knowledge we still cannot

> order

> >

> > the tests from them. our practice act is silent on the issue of lab

> tests,

> >

> > neither specifying that we can or cannot order lab tests.

> >

> >

> >

> > kath

> >

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Will,

I am not sure that I see any distinction with single cases vs professional

practice. They really appear to be the same. As individuals, these regulations

are directed at us, as part of the profession. Maybe you could explain how you

separate these two.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

Chinese Medicine

wmorris33

Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:43:25 +0000

Re: How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kath -

 

 

 

Mike is right. This is a state by state issue that is dependent upon the legal

code. When I practiced in California, I ordered Great Smokies work ups. Itwas

much more difficult in Massachusetts where the code did not provide for such

work. Then, the more common is the grey zone states with a lack of clarity in

the scope of practice language.

 

 

 

Mike - I have to disagree about state regulatory boards and interpretation of

statutes. State boards - across the board - are required to write rules. The

rules language is an interpretation of code for the purpose of regulating a

profession.

 

 

 

I think that the interpretation you are referring to is the application 'in a

single case' as opposed to the rulings affecting the professional practice.

 

 

 

Warmly,

 

 

 

Will Morris

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , mike Bowser

<naturaldoc1 wrote:

 

>

 

>

 

> Kath,

 

> Many state regulatory boards are not supposed to provide legal advice and that

usually includes interpretation of statutes. Seems odd when you call and want to

know beforehand if you are following the law. They seem to want to force you to

act and then there can be a legal reaction filed, hearing, etc. Our statutes in

many states do not allow for LAc to order lab tests, a few are different on this

issue. Maybe you can find another provider such as a ND or DC in your state

that will work with your patient. Best of luck in your search.

 

 

 

>

 

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

>

 

> Chinese Medicine

 

> acukath

 

> Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:08:03 -0400

 

> Re: How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mike, I should have been more clear. I was referring to judgments rendered by

a board. They will make collective rulings and sometimes be disinclined to

advise in a single case.

 

Warmly,

 

Will

 

 

Chinese Medicine , mike Bowser

<naturaldoc1 wrote:

>

>

> Will,

> I am not sure that I see any distinction with single cases vs professional

practice. They really appear to be the same. As individuals, these regulations

are directed at us, as part of the profession. Maybe you could explain how you

separate these two.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> Chinese Medicine

> wmorris33

> Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:43:25 +0000

> Re: How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Kath -

>

>

>

> Mike is right. This is a state by state issue that is dependent upon the legal

code. When I practiced in California, I ordered Great Smokies work ups. Itwas

much more difficult in Massachusetts where the code did not provide for such

work. Then, the more common is the grey zone states with a lack of clarity in

the scope of practice language.

>

>

>

> Mike - I have to disagree about state regulatory boards and interpretation of

statutes. State boards - across the board - are required to write rules. The

rules language is an interpretation of code for the purpose of regulating a

profession.

>

>

>

> I think that the interpretation you are referring to is the application 'in a

single case' as opposed to the rulings affecting the professional practice.

>

>

>

> Warmly,

>

>

>

> Will Morris

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine , mike Bowser

<naturaldoc1@> wrote:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Kath,

>

> > Many state regulatory boards are not supposed to provide legal advice and

that usually includes interpretation of statutes. Seems odd when you call and

want to know beforehand if you are following the law. They seem to want to

force you to act and then there can be a legal reaction filed, hearing, etc.

Our statutes in many states do not allow for LAc to order lab tests, a few are

different on this issue. Maybe you can find another provider such as a ND or DC

in your state that will work with your patient. Best of luck in your search.

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> >

>

> > Chinese Medicine

>

> > acukath@

>

> > Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:08:03 -0400

>

> > Re: How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

_______________

> Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don't worry about storage limits.

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Kath,

 

I have never had problems ordering labs from Genova, either from California or

North Carolina. I just received a new shipment of test kits from them yesterday.

It may be that when I moved to North Carolina in 1998, they were still working

off my original account from California. Now that I'm back in California since

2003, the account number is still the same. That could explain whey they are

treating us differently.

 

- Bill

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " "

wrote:

>

> fyi: went to genova website and filled out a form for a starter kit. got

> this back from them:

>

> To properly offer our services to you, we are required to comply with

> Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services guidelines that determine who may

> order lab tests. The Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments of 1988,

> (CLIA) established regulations governing laboratory testing in order to

> protect both patient and practitioner. These regulations state that a

> clinical laboratory may perform laboratory services and report results only

> upon the order of a physician or other person authorized by the state law to

> order those tests.

>

>

>

> If you are one of the following degrees; *(MD, DPM, DO, DC, Optometrist,

> DDS, LNP, LPA- you do need a physician authorization.) Any other degree

> type, please complete the Client information form and have an Authorizing

> Physician complete the form, along with the Physician Authorization forms.

> Once complete, please fax the paperwork to the number below, with a copy of

> license.*

>

[Guest guest]

Will,

Thanks for clarifying. It will be a great day when our profession is equal

across all states. It will be awhile, I think, due to schools, organizations

and practitioners, all with differing opinions of who and what we are and how we

are to practice. Thanks for all the hard work you have done on our behalf.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

Chinese Medicine

wmorris33

Thu, 1 Oct 2009 02:12:30 +0000

Re: How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Mike, I should have been more clear. I was referring to

judgments rendered by a board. They will make collective rulings and sometimes

be disinclined to advise in a single case.

 

 

 

Warmly,

 

 

 

Will

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , mike Bowser

<naturaldoc1 wrote:

 

>

 

>

 

> Will,

 

> I am not sure that I see any distinction with single cases vs professional

practice. They really appear to be the same. As individuals, these regulations

are directed at us, as part of the profession. Maybe you could explain how you

separate these two.

 

>

 

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

>

 

> Chinese Medicine

 

> wmorris33

 

> Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:43:25 +0000

 

> Re: How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Kath -

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Mike is right. This is a state by state issue that is dependent upon the legal

code. When I practiced in California, I ordered Great Smokies work ups. Itwas

much more difficult in Massachusetts where the code did not provide for such

work. Then, the more common is the grey zone states with a lack of clarity in

the scope of practice language.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Mike - I have to disagree about state regulatory boards and interpretation of

statutes. State boards - across the board - are required to write rules. The

rules language is an interpretation of code for the purpose of regulating a

profession.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> I think that the interpretation you are referring to is the application 'in a

single case' as opposed to the rulings affecting the professional practice.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Warmly,

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Will Morris

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Chinese Medicine , mike Bowser

<naturaldoc1@> wrote:

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Kath,

 

>

 

> > Many state regulatory boards are not supposed to provide legal advice and

that usually includes interpretation of statutes. Seems odd when you call and

want to know beforehand if you are following the law. They seem to want to

force you to act and then there can be a legal reaction filed, hearing, etc.

Our statutes in many states do not allow for LAc to order lab tests, a few are

different on this issue. Maybe you can find another provider such as a ND or DC

in your state that will work with your patient. Best of luck in your search.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

>

 

> >

 

>

 

> > Chinese Medicine

 

>

 

> > acukath@

 

>

 

> > Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:08:03 -0400

 

>

 

> > Re: How to get Candida Stool test without going through MD?

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

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