Guest guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Does anyone have information for Chinese herbs/strategies to help with weight loss and PCOS? Any help would be much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 I treat the obesity and PCO mostly gets treated by itself.( I use acup,only) regards, Dr,Fadaie --- On Mon, 9/21/09, acugeorge <acugeorge wrote: acugeorge <acugeorge PCOS - weight loss Chinese Medicine Monday, September 21, 2009, 9:04 AM Does anyone have information for Chinese herbs/strategies to help with weight loss and PCOS? Any help would be much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Hello, I've treated PCOS and have found that there is a lot of misinformation regarding it out there. Probably the major misunderstanding results from the name including the word " cysts " in it. Actually these are not cysts at all - they are incomplete, unruptured follicles (follicles that never fully developed or ovulated) Cysts are fluid filled and these are not. There are many western practitioners who would like to change the name of PCOS to something that does not include the word " cyst " and takes into account that the lack of ovulation is part of a much more serious systemic metabolic disorder in most cases. I think one idea was to call it " hyperandrongenic syndrome " . The idea that these are cysts combined with the tendency for people who are diagnosed with PCOS to gain weight has caused many practitioners to implicate phlegm as a major disease factor. In addition the lack of consistent ovulation has caused many practitioners to implicate kidney yang deficiency or kidney deficiency as a root issue. Many texts such as Giovanni's gyn text and Jane Lyttleton's fertility text focus their discussion of PCOS around these two factors. Many western doctors are as confused about this as we are and incorrectly diagnose their patients. Women with many real cysts are diagnosed with PCOS but this is not the " syndrome " in which there are unruptured follicles. They may come in and tell you that they have PCOS but they don't. So, first off, with patients you need to determine if they are having lots of cysts (polycysts) or unruptured follicles (PCOS). Secondly, the entire metabolic state must be taken into account and this should not be viewed merely as a gynecological problem. These patients are often at high risk for type 2 diabetes, hypertension, heart disease and metabolic syndrome. If they do become pregnant without the underlying condition being looked after, the baby has many risks as well. Many clinics simply try to get the woman to ovulate and get her pregnant as the main goal. Just as clomid can very much worsen the metabolic disorder in these women, intensively boosting the Kidney Yang with herbs such as Yin Yang Huo, Ba Ji Tian, Tu Si Zi etc. can cause problems too. Thirdly, in my experience, most often the diagnosis is related to stasis and more excess presentations. I've not seen phlegm be the main issue ever when I really look into it. With weight gain in general, it is actually rare that phlegm damp is the main issue in terms of treatments that really work but this is particularly true with PCOS. It is very important that these patients are not told that their condition will get better if they would just loose weight. Not only is it virtually impossible to loose weight simply through diet and exercise for those with this disorder, the weight gain is a symptom of the disorder and not a cause. With appropriate treatment their entire condition will improve. I have more information about my own approach to this disorder. If anyone is interested you can contact me off line and I can direct you to this. hope this helps, Sharon Sharon Weizenbaum 86 Henry Street Amherst, MA 01002 www.whitepinehealingarts.com sweiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Thanks for writing about this conundrum so clearly. I have had a significant number of clients recently with normal BMI and PCOS, I have to agree that the typical SP qi xu with damp and phlegm may not apply. There is some interesting information about the role of Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (liver produced-protein) and its role in hormone regulation for both women who have a loss of libido following oral contraceptive use and for women with PCOS. In PCOS, the SHBG is reduced. It will bind with both estradiol and testosterone and acts to regulate the amount of " free " hormone available to cells. When it is reduced, it contributes to the higher level of free testosterone. The root is a liver problem, not just a problem with hormone production. I have been focusing on liver health in both a TCM and western paradigm. Simple sugars " compete " negatively with the sites in the liver that should produce SHBG, so dietary changes involving limiting simple sugars (including fructose) are important for liver health. I do not know if there is a correlation between TCM based liver regulating treatments and a more normal level of SHBG, but this has become my working hypothesis for women when liver depression is part of their TCM dx. Stener-Victorin's recent study on PCOS & the sympathetic nervous system treatment has also been instructive. Her choices of acupuncture points are about spinal nerve levels and what points innervate spinal segments L1-S3. What I note about her points are that the TCM energetics would be to nourish kidney, regulate liver, fortify spleen, regulate qi in the abdomen, and move blood. Valerie Hobbs, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine , sharon weizenbaum <sweiz wrote: > > Hello, > > I've treated PCOS and have found that there is a lot of misinformation > regarding it out there. Probably the major misunderstanding results > from the name including the word " cysts " in it. Actually these are > not cysts at all - they are incomplete, unruptured follicles > (follicles that never fully developed or ovulated) Cysts are fluid > filled and these are not. There are many western practitioners who > would like to change the name of PCOS to something that does not > include the word " cyst " and takes into account that the lack of > ovulation is part of a much more serious systemic metabolic disorder > in most cases. I think one idea was to call it " hyperandrongenic > syndrome " . > > The idea that these are cysts combined with the tendency for people > who are diagnosed with PCOS to gain weight has caused many > practitioners to implicate phlegm as a major disease factor. In > addition the lack of consistent ovulation has caused many > practitioners to implicate kidney yang deficiency or kidney deficiency > as a root issue. Many texts such as Giovanni's gyn text and Jane > Lyttleton's fertility text focus their discussion of PCOS around these > two factors. > > Many western doctors are as confused about this as we are and > incorrectly diagnose their patients. Women with many real cysts are > diagnosed with PCOS but this is not the " syndrome " in which there are > unruptured follicles. They may come in and tell you that they have > PCOS but they don't. So, first off, with patients you need to > determine if they are having lots of cysts (polycysts) or unruptured > follicles (PCOS). > > Secondly, the entire metabolic state must be taken into account and > this should not be viewed merely as a gynecological problem. These > patients are often at high risk for type 2 diabetes, hypertension, > heart disease and metabolic syndrome. If they do become pregnant > without the underlying condition being looked after, the baby has many > risks as well. Many clinics simply try to get the woman to ovulate > and get her pregnant as the main goal. Just as clomid can very much > worsen the metabolic disorder in these women, intensively boosting the > Kidney Yang with herbs such as Yin Yang Huo, Ba Ji Tian, Tu Si Zi etc. > can cause problems too. > > Thirdly, in my experience, most often the diagnosis is related to > stasis and more excess presentations. I've not seen phlegm be the > main issue ever when I really look into it. With weight gain in > general, it is actually rare that phlegm damp is the main issue in > terms of treatments that really work but this is particularly true > with PCOS. > > It is very important that these patients are not told that their > condition will get better if they would just loose weight. Not only is > it virtually impossible to loose weight simply through diet and > exercise for those with this disorder, the weight gain is a symptom of > the disorder and not a cause. With appropriate treatment their entire > condition will improve. > > I have more information about my own approach to this disorder. If > anyone is interested you can contact me off line and I can direct you > to this. > > hope this helps, > > Sharon > > > > > > Sharon Weizenbaum > 86 Henry Street > Amherst, MA 01002 > www.whitepinehealingarts.com > sweiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Chinese Medicine , sharon weizenbaum <sweiz wrote: " I've treated PCOS and have found that there is a lot of misinformation regarding it out there. Probably the major misunderstanding resultsfrom the name including the word " cysts " in it... " Hi Sharon thank-you for such a well-considered, well-articulated contribution. PCOS isn't something I know anywhere near enough about... your post was a great place for me to start understanding this distressing and bewildering condition. Margi Macdonald http://margihealing.wordpress.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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