Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Sea Cucumber. They make sea cucumber treats for pets. It's pure kidney essence (great for the back legs) and also full of chondriotin. http://www.lifesvigor.com/sea-mobility-with-msm-glucosamine-sea-cucumber-beef-je\ rky-22-strips-bag-ark-naturals.html http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/product_detail.asp?pf_id=20510301 & cm_mmc_o=2m\ HlCjCVdKCjCVdK2tzEEwklCjCWR2RJVRW & zmam=90031077 & zmas=13 & zmac=74 & zmap=20510301 - " turusachan " <turusachan <Chinese Medicine > Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:10 PM injured cat > Hi to all you veterinary acupuncturists - my daughter has a 5 year old > neutered female indoor/outdoor cat. Entirely normal until my son-in-law > found her a little down a hillside, lying on her side, unable to move her > hind legs. She's been to the vet's (findings below), xray found no > fractures, no visible abnormalities, had a reliable response to pain > stimuli. They sent her home with buprenorphine 0.06 mg oral, ev 8 hours. > > When she got home, I observed that she is comfortable pulling herself with > her front legs, dragging her hind legs, could move the tip of her tail. > I've just been sitting with her now (about 3 hrs after vet visit + one > dose of the painkiller). She can move and stretch her hind legs, roll > over, get the legs out of the way but won't use them to support her > weight. It feels like there's slight puffiness at the base of the tail, > dorsal side, and she complains if I palpate that area. Moves about 3 " of > the end of her tail. > > Any ideas? The vet said the possibilities are soft tissue injury, > neurologic injury, unseen orthopedic injury, spinal lesion, other. > > I have a list of all the diag results (which mean nothing to me); I can > supply them to you if needed. The vet did say: 'hind limbs have strong > withdrawal, positive pain perception and motor. No pain with spinal > palpation. cranial nerves normal. Purposefully moving hind limbs but not > bearing weight. Normal paterllar reflexes bilaterally.' > > thanks for any thoughts. > karen > > > Karen R. Adams, > Lic Ac, Dipl Ac > 25 - 27 Bank Row > Greenfield, MA 01301 > 413-768-8333 > > > > I cannot be more than I am. > I cannot be less than I am. > But I must be all that I am. > > > > > --- > > Subscribe to the free online journal for TCM at Times > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese medicine > and acupuncture, click, http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Hi Karen, Reasons for not bearing weight on hind limbs include: spinal or cauda equina neurological injury, metabolic disease (diabetes, in this case there is plantigrade walking), saddle thrombus (in this case the limb turns cold and bluish, and very very painful). If neuro (spinal or cauda equina), localization of the lesion helps with the treatment. Good prognosis if there is pain perception and withdrawal reflex. Normal (or augmentend) patelar reflexes indicates that the lesion is either before (cranial) fourth lumbar or after (caudal) to sixth lumbar. (If it was between L4 and L6 the patelar reflex would be depressed.) If you noticed a puffy and tender area at the base at the tail, there is a chance to be a sacral lesion. Then, besides weakness, she would have depressed anal reflex and depresed sciatic reflex. What about propioception reflex? (is she knuckling on the tarsus?) How is the bladder tonus and micturition? How is anal reflex and defecation? Useful points to do acupuncture: local points (cranial a and caudal to the tender area), plus Bladder 40, Bladder 60, Bladder 11, Small Intestine 3 plus Bladder 62, Governing Vessel 4, Bladder 23. If you can, use small needles (13 to 15 mm lenght) at limb points for cat comfort. You can use electroacupuncture as well. Hope that helps, Clarissa Niciporciukas Vet in Brazil turusachan escreveu: > > > Hi to all you veterinary acupuncturists - my daughter has a 5 year old > neutered female indoor/outdoor cat. Entirely normal until my > son-in-law found her a little down a hillside, lying on her side, > unable to move her hind legs. She's been to the vet's (findings > below), xray found no fractures, no visible abnormalities, had a > reliable response to pain stimuli. They sent her home with > buprenorphine 0.06 mg oral, ev 8 hours. > > When she got home, I observed that she is comfortable pulling herself > with her front legs, dragging her hind legs, could move the tip of her > tail. I've just been sitting with her now (about 3 hrs after vet visit > + one dose of the painkiller). She can move and stretch her hind legs, > roll over, get the legs out of the way but won't use them to support > her weight. It feels like there's slight puffiness at the base of the > tail, dorsal side, and she complains if I palpate that area. Moves > about 3 " of the end of her tail. > > Any ideas? The vet said the possibilities are soft tissue injury, > neurologic injury, unseen orthopedic injury, spinal lesion, other. > > I have a list of all the diag results (which mean nothing to me); I > can supply them to you if needed. The vet did say: 'hind limbs have > strong withdrawal, positive pain perception and motor. No pain with > spinal palpation. cranial nerves normal. Purposefully moving hind > limbs but not bearing weight. Normal paterllar reflexes bilaterally.' > > thanks for any thoughts. > karen > > Karen R. Adams, > Lic Ac, Dipl Ac > 25 - 27 Bank Row > Greenfield, MA 01301 > 413-768-8333 > > I cannot be more than I am. > I cannot be less than I am. > But I must be all that I am. > > __._ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Sorry, I'm not a vet/acupuncturist, etc... It sounds very similar to an injury to my small dog recently. I'll be brief: she either injured herself and forced a vertebrae out of place in her spine, or her muscles are in a spasm. She will respond with time and care... consider high dose Arnica Montana if you have access to it, and or someone qualified to check her spine and adjust. Good luck! --- On Wed, 9/16/09, turusachan <turusachan wrote: turusachan <turusachan injured cat Chinese Medicine Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:10 PM Hi to all you veterinary acupuncturists - my daughter has a 5 year old neutered female indoor/outdoor cat. Entirely normal until my son-in-law found her a little down a hillside, lying on her side, unable to move her hind legs. She's been to the vet's (findings below), xray found no fractures, no visible abnormalities, had a reliable response to pain stimuli. They sent her home with buprenorphine 0.06 mg oral, ev 8 hours. When she got home, I observed that she is comfortable pulling herself with her front legs, dragging her hind legs, could move the tip of her tail. I've just been sitting with her now (about 3 hrs after vet visit + one dose of the painkiller). She can move and stretch her hind legs, roll over, get the legs out of the way but won't use them to support her weight. It feels like there's slight puffiness at the base of the tail, dorsal side, and she complains if I palpate that area. Moves about 3 " of the end of her tail. Any ideas? The vet said the possibilities are soft tissue injury, neurologic injury, unseen orthopedic injury, spinal lesion, other. I have a list of all the diag results (which mean nothing to me); I can supply them to you if needed. The vet did say: 'hind limbs have strong withdrawal, positive pain perception and motor. No pain with spinal palpation. cranial nerves normal. Purposefully moving hind limbs but not bearing weight. Normal paterllar reflexes bilaterally. ' thanks for any thoughts. karen Karen R. Adams, Lic Ac, Dipl Ac 25 - 27 Bank Row Greenfield, MA 01301 413-768-8333 I cannot be more than I am. I cannot be less than I am. But I must be all that I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Thanks to the replies about my daughter's cat. She's getting crankier, wanted to wander around the house yesterday - right leg is moving carefully, can support some weight, drags the left. Very tender in back/tail area. Has urinated, and defecated. Less pain this morning (tho she is also now on steroids + pain killers). Thanks for your encouragement. It's looking good. karen Karen R. Adams, Lic Ac, Dipl Ac 25 - 27 Bank Row Greenfield, MA 01301 413-768-8333 I cannot be more than I am. I cannot be less than I am. But I must be all that I am. ________________________________ Clarissa <clarissa Chinese Medicine Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:57:27 AM Re: injured cat Hi Karen, Reasons for not bearing weight on hind limbs include: spinal or cauda equina neurological injury, metabolic disease (diabetes, in this case there is plantigrade walking), saddle thrombus (in this case the limb turns cold and bluish, and very very painful). If neuro (spinal or cauda equina), localization of the lesion helps with the treatment. Good prognosis if there is pain perception and withdrawal reflex. Normal (or augmentend) patelar reflexes indicates that the lesion is either before (cranial) fourth lumbar or after (caudal) to sixth lumbar. (If it was between L4 and L6 the patelar reflex would be depressed.) If you noticed a puffy and tender area at the base at the tail, there is a chance to be a sacral lesion. Then, besides weakness, she would have depressed anal reflex and depresed sciatic reflex. What about propioception reflex? (is she knuckling on the tarsus?) How is the bladder tonus and micturition? How is anal reflex and defecation? Useful points to do acupuncture: local points (cranial a and caudal to the tender area), plus Bladder 40, Bladder 60, Bladder 11, Small Intestine 3 plus Bladder 62, Governing Vessel 4, Bladder 23. If you can, use small needles (13 to 15 mm lenght) at limb points for cat comfort. You can use electroacupuncture as well. Hope that helps, Clarissa Niciporciukas Vet in Brazil turusachan escreveu: > > > Hi to all you veterinary acupuncturists - my daughter has a 5 year old > neutered female indoor/outdoor cat. Entirely normal until my > son-in-law found her a little down a hillside, lying on her side, > unable to move her hind legs. She's been to the vet's (findings > below), xray found no fractures, no visible abnormalities, had a > reliable response to pain stimuli. They sent her home with > buprenorphine 0.06 mg oral, ev 8 hours. > > When she got home, I observed that she is comfortable pulling herself > with her front legs, dragging her hind legs, could move the tip of her > tail. I've just been sitting with her now (about 3 hrs after vet visit > + one dose of the painkiller). She can move and stretch her hind legs, > roll over, get the legs out of the way but won't use them to support > her weight. It feels like there's slight puffiness at the base of the > tail, dorsal side, and she complains if I palpate that area. Moves > about 3 " of the end of her tail. > > Any ideas? The vet said the possibilities are soft tissue injury, > neurologic injury, unseen orthopedic injury, spinal lesion, other. > > I have a list of all the diag results (which mean nothing to me); I > can supply them to you if needed. The vet did say: 'hind limbs have > strong withdrawal, positive pain perception and motor. No pain with > spinal palpation. cranial nerves normal. Purposefully moving hind > limbs but not bearing weight. Normal paterllar reflexes bilaterally. ' > > thanks for any thoughts. > karen > > Karen R. Adams, > Lic Ac, Dipl Ac > 25 - 27 Bank Row > Greenfield, MA 01301 > 413-768-8333 > > I cannot be more than I am. > I cannot be less than I am. > But I must be all that I am. > > __._ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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