OT: Kurban Bayram - Was: Christmas: Shoving ANY 1 Choice Down our Throats..to be 'Correct'

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Well, you guys -- I have to hand it to you. Despite the subject's potential,

you guys did a reasonably good job of keeping your cool.

 

I don't want to add anything -- just say, thanks for behaving yourselves --

mostly.

 

Susan H.

 

This will probably be my last post to the list on the subject we have

been playing Ping Pong with .. but I am writing a very long disseration

on this subject ;-) and will probably put it on a link for those who

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hey Kathleen,

 

Merry Christmas! ;-)

 

This will probably be my last post to the list on the subject we have

been playing Ping Pong with .. but I am writing a very long disseration

on this subject ;-) and will probably put it on a link for those who

want to read it .. not sure yet if I'll finish it cause its not really a

hot item on my agenda. I'm doing my best to keep the personal out and

focusing primarily on the Sociological aspects of freedoms .. and the

Political aspects of government control. There is far more to this

issue of Merry Christmas vs Happy Holidays than has been discussed on

this list .. and there are some misunderstandings being used to justify

positions .. these are Fruit of the Poison Tree.

 

Just as I strongly believe that judges are no better qualified to make

decisons (outside of interpretation of laws) that affect our lives, I

believe that I am NOT more intelligent than the majority of the members

of this list. But just as those judges are trained and experienced at

interpreting the intent of laws .. I MIGHT have a bit or two of more

experience in evaluating the historical (future?) results of knee jerk

decisions of courts and attempts by governments to control the lives of

the masses .. because I am a trained and experienced political analyst;

it was my job for a number of years.

 

> Butch... I'm not going to wish you a " Happy Throat Slitting " . That's just

> too gruesome for me. I'm quite sure it's probably from the days when they

> killed off animals to store up for winter, that it was a day of feasting and

> celebrating the fact they would have something to carry them through the

> long days of winter... THAT I can understand. I will instead hope that you

> enjoy the festivities that are certain to form around such an event.

 

Actually its a very Religious Holiday .. twas ancient Christian and a

present day Jewish and Moslem Holiday. It commemorates how Isaac was

nearly sacrificed by Abraham .. or to some Moslems .. how Ismael was

almost sacrificed .. its not really clear which of Abrahams's sons was

the " favorite " or the " chosen " . Isaac the son of Abraham's Jewish wife

and Ismael was the son he had with his wife's Egyptian maidservant.

 

Kurban (Sacrifice) Bayram (Holiday) is one of the key tenets of Islam.

Its about shared social responsibility. Families who can afford to

sacrifice an animal do so and there is a complex code stipulating how

the carcass should be distributed amongst friends, family and charitable

organizations .. the one sacrificing the animal can keep only a small

part of the meat and even then they can keep none of the choice cuts.

 

It's a major public holiday here and shops and businesses close .. some

for up to a week. This " free time " is tough on the transport system,

both public and private, and newspapers publish daily head counts of

traffic deaths. Before the holiday we see sheep, goats and cattle on

the outskirts of town as owners bring them in to be sold. On the day of

sacrifice the more squeamish stay out of the way because, though its

illegal, many animals are slaugtered on the street.

 

I have participated in Kurban Bayram three times during the past 20 +

years .. but I won't do it again because I (like many modern thinking

Turks) think its a holiday that has outlived its purpose and I don't

like the way it is practiced. Plus my wife doesn't approve. ;-)

 

In fact .. modern Christians also make sacrifices but they normally do

it on Sunday by putting something valuable to them in the plate when its

passed around. Both forms of sacrificed are supposed to be about shared

social responsibility but both have lost their original intent methinks.

 

http://www.bakupages.com/pages/traditions/kurban_en.php

 

If you wanna see the sacrifice in gory living color .. go here. ;-)

http://asia.pg.photos./ph/jaentenim30/album?.dir=47b8 & .src=ph & %3Bamp%3B\

amp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bstore= & prodid= & %3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3B.done=http%3A//asia.\

pg.photos./ph/jaentenim30/my_photos

 

http://www.sensibledinner.com/Kurban%20Bayram.html

 

> Me I'm going to pretend you never said anything about " Happy Throat

> Slitting "

 

What? That would be signifying on a religious group. ;-)

 

> and try and bake Christmas cookies for the kids.

 

You're gonna bake Christmas cookies? What's the difference twixt them

and Holiday cookies? ;-)

 

> I've been too sick to do much fun stuff for and with the kids this

> year so now I need to make it up to them.

 

Y'all Get Well Soon .. Gecmis Olsun .. Stanovivshijs'a Zdorovyj Skoro.

 

> So, enjoy all the festivities that are coming your way, I'm sure that

> having Tanya in your life will add an extra touch of joy to them.

 

Thank you ma'am .. and you are perzackly right. I passed the 60 year

mark some time ago .. and I've had lots of good and bad times in my

life, but aside from possible health issues as I grow older .. I foresee

no more bad in my life now. :-)

 

> K

 

>Cheers!

>Kathleen Petrides

>The Woobey Queen

>Http://www.woobeyworld.com

 

And to you and yours .. hope the Christmas cookies turn out larp'in gud

and y'all have a New Year that is filled with Happiness, Good Health and

Prosperity.

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com