Christmas: Shoving ANY 1 Choice Down our Throats..to be 'Correct'

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" PS 2: Often those who holler the loudest about being tolerant are the

most intolerant folks around. Its like some who loudly proclaim their

virtue .. then its maybe best to keep our hands on our wallets. "

 

I've been reading all the posts on this subject and being a non-christian

have found all this to be very interesting... Most of all, I have to agree

with PS 2.

 

I also have to say, as a non-christian, that I find it rather sad that

children aren't allowed to have Christmas plays in school anymore, or sing

Christmas Carols in school for fear of retribution in one form or another.

 

Personally, I LOVE Christmas Carols. Demoninational, faith based and

non-secular. I think it's part of what makes Christmas. All those warm fuzzy

feelings. My children are missing out on that... a bit... cuz I've got the

darn things playing starting in OCTOBER! LOL! However I find it a shame that

it's something they can't share with their friends in school anymore.

 

As a non-christian, our Christmasses are basically non-religious. For us

it's " Gift-getting " season... but I try and point out that this is also a

time of year when want is most keenly felt for children and adults who can't

afford to buy food, let alone presents. So we donate to food kitchens and

give toys to various local charities and I try to show my children that it's

not just about personal greed, but also about helping those who need it. One

doesn't HAVE to be a member of an organized religion to care about the folk

they share the world with. I hope they are learning this by watching and

doing. >shrug< One can only do their best.

 

Anyway, I hope you all have had a terrific Christmas, are enjoying Hannukah,

Kwanza and a lovely Soltice. Enjoy your Russian Christmas, have a happy New

Year and whatever else is coming your way.

 

Butch... I'm not going to wish you a " Happy Throat Slitting " . That's just

too gruesome for me. I'm quite sure it's probably from the days when they

killed off animals to store up for winter, that it was a day of feasting and

celebrating the fact they would have something to carry them through the

long days of winter... THAT I can understand. I will instead hope that you

enjoy the festivities that are certain to form around such an event.

 

Me I'm going to pretend you never said anything about " Happy Throat

Slitting " and try and bake Christmas cookies for the kids. I've been too

sick to do much fun stuff for and with the kids this year so now I need to

make it up to them.

 

So, enjoy all the festivities that are coming your way, I'm sure that having

Tanya in your life will add an extra touch of joy to them.

 

K

 

On 12/27/05, Butch Owen <butchbsi wrote:

 

> Hey Joshua .. other good folks ..

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> Cheers!

> Kathleen Petrides

> The Woobey Queen

> Http://www.woobeyworld.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Here in Canada, we had a Christmas concert at my kids school, they made

it global, they basically went around the globe, had songs from other

nationalities, telling about celebrations, foods prepared etc, It was

very well done and everyone was pleased, they covered about 20 or so of

the more popular nationalities and I found it very interesting.

My son's kintergarden class were the Chinese dragon, lol.. imagine 30 5

years olds trying to stay under the body and tail.. was too funny for words.

 

There was a lot of upset people on the radio , bashing the holiday tree,

saying that it should be the christmas tree, I can see both sides. I

like the Christmas tree because to me its a tradition that I grew up

with. My kids decided that they did not want a tree this year, it was

too costly for the week that we would have had it up, so we pitched a

tent ( well its a pop-up one). So, santa delivered gifts and left them

in the tent, lol...

Well, that was my Christmas...

 

Carol

 

>Woobey wrote:

>I also have to say, as a non-christian, that I find it rather sad that

>children aren't allowed to have Christmas plays in school anymore, or sing

>Christmas Carols in school for fear of retribution in one form or another.

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[Guest guest]

PITCHED A TENT! ROFLMAO! That's funny! Did you decorate the tree.. uh...

tent?

 

Our tree is up for about 6 weeks, the kids love it. But my kids are

little... next year I'll have to ask them about pitching a tent, no PINE

NEEDLES! LOL!

 

And I can well imagine that that dragon sort of looked flea infested with

all the wiggling and twitching going on underneath! LOL!

 

K

 

 

On 12/27/05, Carol Pearce <cjpearce wrote:

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> Here in Canada, we had a Christmas concert at my kids school, they made

> it global, they basically went around the globe, had songs from other

> nationalities, telling about celebrations, foods prepared etc, It was

> very well done and everyone was pleased, they covered about 20 or so of

> the more popular nationalities and I found it very interesting.

> My son's kintergarden class were the Chinese dragon, lol.. imagine 30 5

> years olds trying to stay under the body and tail.. was too funny for

> words.

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> Cheers!

> Kathleen Petrides

> The Woobey Queen

> Http://www.woobeyworld.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

What can i say, my kids are as weird as I am, lol...

 

Carol

 

 

Woobey Queen wrote:

 

>PITCHED A TENT! ROFLMAO! That's funny! Did you decorate the tree.. uh...

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[Guest guest]

Hey Joshua .. other good folks ..

 

First .. I'll say that I think the subject (above) is totally out of

line! Nobody has tried to shove anything on anyone! I think the person

who posted this was maybe a bit emotional at the time .. which is not a

slam cause we human critters can be that way from time to time. ;-)

 

Secondly .. I'll say that the members of this list .. or any other

alternative or complementary treatment list .. do NOT represent a true

cross section of the United States because the majority of the folks in

the USA are not seeking alternatives from established norms, nor do they

buy a lot of the spiritual hoo doo that many try to tack onto the simple

issue of chemistry .. which is what use of EO is all about. I do not

deal in spiritualism .. I deal in the chemistry of natural products.

 

> Mitsy -- are you saying that Christians are persecuted in the United

> States? ;-)

 

I'll give my opinion on this. Christians are NOT persecuted in the

United States .. but public display of Christian holidays is becoming

NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT .. and OFTEN RESTRICTED !!!!!!!!!!!

 

This is NOT based on any law passed by the legislative body .. it is

based on interpretations by judges .. and we see on a daily basis that

this or that court decision is overturned by higher court decisions.

Does anyone on this list believe that the average judge is any more

righteous in his/her analysis of right and wrong than you are yourself?

Do you really think that they can set aside their own personal beliefs

and regurgitate interpretation of the intent of laws as if they were a

robot spitting out an analysis of data that has been input into a hard

drive? If you believe this then you've been mesmerized by Big Brother!

 

I have made it DAMN CLEAR that I am NOT a Christian but maybe I need to

make it DAMN CLEARER that I think Political Correctness is phony Bovine

Excrement that sucks from the git go and I grow tired of watching some

folks use Christianity as a negative label for Conservatives!

 

I have made it DAMN CLEAR that my past life was deeply involved with

Christianity (Suthran Fried Baptist), Buddhism, Islam, the Native

American Path and now with a different form of Christianity .. Russian

Orthodox, which is about as close to Catholicism as we can get. I have

respect for all of them .. and a helluva lot of disrespect for any of

the activists or extremists in any of them. But nobody publicly dumps

on any of the other groups though they feel comfortable dumping on the

Christians.

 

No judge or elected official will make a move to restrict or reduce the

economic value of Christmas .. or any other holiday like Valentines Day,

Mothers Day, etc., but they will pander to those they see as being their

constituents even if the intent of the Constitution be damned and even

if the moral training of and examples for young people be damned!

 

With a few exceptions, all organized religions have basically very sound

morale values as a base foundation .. this is not restricted to only the

monotheistic religions. The United States Armed Forces (long the leader

and the Advance Guard for social change) has commissioned chaplains from

many religions .. and American soldiers from most religions have total

freedom to practice as they see fit .. there are no restrictions and

Thank The Great Everywhere Spirit, the civilian courts can NOT tell the

military how to run their business.

 

But to set the record straight, those " other " religions were not given

the slightest bit of consideration by the Founding Fathers, so when

folks discuss the so-called issue of separation of church and state they

need to do a bit more homework. If there did exist such a cut and dry

requirement in the United States Constitution then there could legally

be no restrictions on the practice (publicly or otherwise) of ANY

religion. And if the Congress were to pass such a restriction .. then

the lower courts would be bound to overrule them! And if lower courts

did not do that .. then the Supreme Court would be bound to overrule.

 

America could not have .. would not have .. been a successful experiment

if the Founding Fathers had been as liberal in their attitudes as are

the so called Progressives of today!

 

I condemn no religion that teaches peace and tolerance .. I do condemn

MTV .. I do condemn NO public display of ANY religion. I do condemn

allowing weirdo groups to collect money at intersections on interstate

highway exits in the USA .. I do condemn ideas that promote lack of

moral standards as being progressive .. and do I condemn people who tell

it like they think others want to hear it .. be it for business reasons

or because they do not have the guts to stand up for what they truly

believe in from the git go!

 

Nobody on this list or anywhere else has the guts to condemn the public

expression of ANY religious holiday except that of the Christians. If

they did so they would risk being branded as racist or intolerant. But

to dump on the majority is safe because its currently IN VOGUE to be a

persecuted minority. It might be a norm to dump on the majority .. but

the norm is not always right! My opinion for now .. but I am certainly

not finished .. this is all I care to write tonight.

 

I will say that the whole issue has more to do with political leaning

than it does history .. or right or wrong! There is little TRUTH in

politics today though there was a time when it was considered to be an

honorable calling. Likewise, there is a heckuva lot less understanding

than there is understanding about the intent of the Founding Fathers ..

those who think differently should begin now to research their American

history .. particularly the misunderstanding about separation of church

and state.

 

Oh yea .. we'll be slitting the throats of animals here beginning on 10

January .. and I expect some folks will wanna join in and wish the

people in my area and yours Happy Throat Slitting! ;-)

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch

 

PS 1: I will send Kurban Bayram (Sacrifice Holiday) greetings to all my

Turkish friends .. just as MANY of them sent us e-mails and cards and

made phone calls wishing us a MERRY CHRISTMAS. So .. y'all who want to

get it completely right should be sure to send this greeting to your

Moslem friends on the 10th of January. If you choose to not send it to

those you know who are Militant Islamists .. that's OK because there is

a HELLUVA BIG DIFFERENCE twixt the two! ;-) One MINOR difference is

that many of the modern thinking Moslems considered Kurban Bayram as

being a barbaric holiday .. and the Militant Islamists consider NOT

cutting the throats of non-Islamists as being an insult to Allah. And

moderate Moslems think the Militant Islamists are backward idiots! ;-)

 

PS 2: Often those who holler the loudest about being tolerant are the

most intolerant folks around. Its like some who loudly proclaim their

virtue .. then its maybe best to keep our hands on our wallets.

 

>>response to atheists and other secularists who, for decades, have used

>>the courts and other forms of mass media communication to suppress, as

>>much as possible, any expression of religion beliefs and practices, in

>>the market place, the public arena and all government institutions. In

>>particular, they have attacked " Christ-mas " and tried to make that

>>word, itself, an acknowledgement by government of support for

>>Christianity.

[Guest guest]

Well, I think it was a unique, clever idea and it is something they will

talk about for years and years -- it's one of those memories they will

cherish forever.

 

Susan H.

 

 

What can i say, my kids are as weird as I am, lol...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks, the kids want to do it again next year, but decorate it with

lights, lol.. jeez, what am I getting into, lol...

 

Susan Harkins wrote:

 

>Well, I think it was a unique, clever idea and it is something they will

>talk about for years and years -- it's one of those memories they will

>cherish forever.

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