Guest guest Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hi y'all, I reckon its time we oughta mebbe consider gitting into a Christmas Spirit if'n you ain't already there. Matters not a lot (methinks) whether one observes this holiday for religious reasons or just because its a traditional time for the gathering of friends and family and being cheerful and such. One thing fer'shur is that if'n they live in the U.S. of A. they can't escape the commercial activity. ;-) If this post or any that follow upsets the delicate feelings of any person they might wanna ask Santa Claus to bring'em some skin toughening cream or whatever. ;-) The REAL Saint Nicholas was born in what is now Turkey but Santa Claus was originally hatched out in Holland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=569 Interesting at the above URL are the customs of various countries. I've been to St. Nicholas' church (one of many in the world) many times over the years. The statute outside the church actually resembles Santa Claus .. it has no resemblance to the real St. Nicholas. The below information will be old hat to some .. but interesting trivia it is .. methinks. St. Nicholas was born in 280 AD, in Patara, a city of Lycia, in Asia Minor (now Demre, in the Republic of Turkey). He was known as the Gift Giver of Myra .. gifts were given late at night, so the gift giver's identity would remain a secret. St. Nicholas was eventually named the patron saint of children, sailors, Russia and Greece. St. Nicholas, a Christian priest, who later became a bishop, was a rich person who traveled the country helping people, giving gifts of money and other presents. The custom caught on .. and as he didn't like to be seen when he gave away presents, children of the day were told to go to sleep quickly or he would not come! Nothing has changed for the children .. and I plan to wait up and have a toddy or three with Santa Claus on Christmas Eve. One story about St. Nicholas tells of a poor man who had no money to give to his three daughters as dowries on their wedding day. St. Nick dropped bags of gold into the stockings which the girls had left to dry by the fire. The sisters found the gold and ever since then, children have hung up stockings on Christmas Eve hoping that they will be filled with presents by Christmas morning. Despite being a young man, St. Nicholas quickly earned a reputation for kindliness and wisdom and that information quickly got back to Rome. In the year 303, the Roman Emperor Diocletian commanded all the citizens of the Roman Empire, which included Asia Minor, to worship him as a god. Christians believed in one god so their conscience wouldn't allow them to obey the Emperor's order. Angered by their stubbornness, Diocletian warned the Christians that they would be imprisoned. The Emperor carried out the threat and St. Nicholas, who also resisted, was imprisoned. For more than five years he was confined to a small cell and suffered from cold, hunger, and thirst, but he never wavered in his beliefs. In 313, when Diocletian resigned and Emperor Constantine came to power, Nicholas was released and returned to his post as Bishop of Myra. He continued his good works and became even wiser, more understanding and more famous by the time of his death on December 6, 343. By 450, churches in Asia Minor and Greece were being named in honor of St. Nicholas. By 800, he was officially recognized as the a Saint by the Eastern Catholic Church. In the 1200s, December sixth began to be celebrated as Bishop Nicholas Day in France. By end of the 1400s, St. Nicholas was the third most beloved religious figure, after Jesus and Mary. There were more than 2000 chapels and monasteries named after him. (One on the Southern coast of Turkey) In the 1500s people in England stopped worshipping St. Nicholas and began to favor another gift giving figure .. Father Christmas. But over the centuries, St. Nicholas' popularity grew, and many people in Europe made up new stories that showed his concern for children. The name Santa Claus was derived from the Dutch pronunciation of St. Nicholas (Sinter Klass). Early Dutch settlers in New York brought their traditions of St. Nicholas. As children from other countries tried to pronounce Sinter Klass, this soon became Santa Klass, which was settled as Santa Claus. The old bishop's cloak with mitre, jeweled gloves and crozier were soon replaced with his red suit and clothing seen in other modern images. A bit more trivia .. the Virgin Mary and birth of Jesus Christ is accepted as factual by Moslems .. in fact, there is more written about the Virgin Mary in the Koran than we find in the New Testament. And the last home of the Virgin Mary is just outside the ancient city of Ephesus .. in Turkey. Its staffed year around by Protestant, Catholic and Moslem religious persons from around the world. A laundry list of factual events regarding healings following prayer and drinking of the water from the natural spring (said to be the one Mary drank from) is posted in the chapel. I say these are factual events because most of them are newspaper articles from around the world. Matters not to me others think .. the articles and crutches and such are there for us to see and we can take them as we want to. Generally speaking, Turks (except Turkish Christians) don't celebrate Christmas .. though they consider Jesus Christ as a Holy Prophet and his mother, Mary, as a Divine person of great power .. they honor her. Turks have adopted the habit of putting up Christmas Trees identical to the ones we find in the West. They like the idea of a Santa Claus (Noel Baba) .. we can find them outside shops giving small gifts and trying to entice shoppers to come in and buy something. In the Turkish town of Demre, the birth of Santa Claus, or St. Nicholas is celebrated each year during a three-day festival in early December. St. Nicholas is still remembered and admired as a famous Turkish archbishop, and also for his piety and kindness to children. Kindness to children is demanded and practiced here in Turkey .. in fact, they spoil the little yonkers. ;-) Hope all the good folks on the list had a Very Merry Christmas .. and hoping Noel Baba is good to you. Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch .. in Ankara .. http://www.AV-AT.com Wholesale/Retail GC Tested EO, Tested Hydrosols, Rose Products and other nice things sent from our store in Downtown Friendsville, MD. Pop: 597 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Sint Nicholas Eve, or Sinterklaas (Dec 5) is the one and only day of the whole year that I would rather be in Holland. The tradition is apparently fading a bit, with the jolly American impostor making some inroads and more people doing the gift-giving at Christmas. But most Dutch kids still wait with great anticipation for the evening. The season starts at the end of November, when The SteamBoat bearing the saint, horse, servants and all, arrives from Spain. I remember standing in line for hours to watch the parade, these days it is apparently televised. During the lead-up weeks to the big night we got to put out our shoes, sometimes with some treat for the horse, like carrots or a bit of hay. We'd find some special candy in the morning, or sometimes even a small toy. There are lots of special treats only seen at this time of year. On the special night Sinterklaas rides over the rooftops on his white horse, accompanied by his faithful sidekick Zwarte Piet (Black Peter) Sinterklaas himself is always portrayed in traditional bishop's outfit, with miter and staff. Zwarte Piet is dressed in sixteenth century style, with short puffy pants and tights and wears exaggerated blackface. He may be one, or many, but his name never varies. He carries a big switch with which he will whip kids who have been bad, and if you have been really bad you might get stuffed into the big empty toy bag and taken to Spain. The obsession with Spain comes from the long-ago time when the Low Countries were part of the Spanish empire. The eighty-year war (1568-1648) was the equivalent of the US war of independence. On the night itself, in a family that does a good Sinterklaas, there is a lot more going on than mere gift giving. Each adult is expected to provide at least one gift wrapped up in some original way, and/or accompanied by a doggerel poem that has to be read out loud by the recipient. In its present form, Sinterklaas is about as old as the Victorian style Christmas. Mid nineteenth century. It will undoubtedly change again. Thanks, Butch, for the inspiration to waste a pleasant hour Googling (at google.nl) history of Sinterklaas! Ien in the Kootenays, formerly from Amsterdam ************************* " Never mind what the book says. God gave you a brain. " ~A.T. Still, founder of Osteopathy Who is this Kootenay person anyway? http://greatestnetworker.com/ien ************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Thanks for that Ien, Reminded me of How the Finns celebrate and the Swedes as well... but as I was married to the Finn, is THOSE memories that are stronger as after the divorce, I celebrated xmas alone for many years. Funny the things one forgets ;-) K On 12/22/05, Ieneke van Houten <ienvan wrote: > > Sint Nicholas Eve, or Sinterklaas (Dec 5) is the one > and only day of the whole year that I would rather > be in Holland. > > -- > Cheers! > Kathleen Petrides > The Woobey Queen > Http://www.woobeyworld.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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