Guest guest Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 I don't know what to do about this odd lady I've met. She came across me through a friend who had purchased some items at my craft show booth. The friend gave her a sample of my lavender room/linen spray. She called me enquiring about the product, and wanting to know where she could get the mini-sprayers it was packaged in. We got to chatting, turns out she's been " into essential oils " for around 15 years, hard to believe considering the very little she knows/understands about them. She's all caught up in the hype regarding medicinal use of the oils, and, yes, she is a Young Living distributor, is somewhat aware of " both sides " regarding YL, and is not committed one way or the other to only using their oils. She mainly is a distributor to get the cheaper prices. She lost her husband and father within months of each other, has a young soldier son over in Iraq, and has been dealing with grief/depression/anxiety and trying to treat it holistically. She wondered where she could find jasmine and neroli, undilluted? She has limited access to a PC made available through her apt complex, and really knows nothing about the discussion groups/lists and buying from online suppliers. I happened to have amounts of both oils I could share, and offered them for sale. When I got the impression she was wanting the mini sprayers to put her blend in to apply to skin undilluted, and suggested she not do that, that eo's must be dilluted for use on skin, plus they would break down the plastic. Are you going to be dilluting this blend? I ask. Oh,....well, then do you know where I could get mini glass sprayers? She just sort of by-passed the whole issue of neat use of oils. She wanted me to purchase 1 oz of Dr. Pappas blend that is a copy-cat of YL's Valor blend. Apparently, you need to be a business, now, to buy from EOU?? She said she read that on one of his webpages. Whatever, I ordered it for her, and she came by yesterday to pick it up. I initially sold her 15 ml of neroli, she received that by mail from me less than a month ago. She came by my house yesterday to pick up the EOU oil, buy some petitgrain oil, and more neroli. She had already used half the 15 ml bottle of Nerol!!! She is applying oils, undilluted, like perfume, on her wrists, along her arms, etc., and is AMAZED by the results. She has been plagued by anxiety her whole life, cannot remember a time when she wasn't anxious, and cannot believe the AMAZING difference the neroli has made in her life. What was even more stunning was she told me she'd been using cinnamon BARK oil, undilluted, for several weeks. she sees an " herbalist " , basically rejects Western medicine, and he told her that one of her kidneys was almost completely shut down. This info he gathered from some sort of pulse test he does. She takes the herbs he prescribes, plus was going through an oz of cinnamon bark eo every 3 days!!! She was applying it directly to her skin!!!!!!! But, but, but....you didn't DILLUTE it first!!?? I mean...didn't it irritate your skin? And burn?? And turn red?? Oh, she says, she knows how to " take the heat off " the oil by placing it " under the pyramid " for a couple days before using. No, she claims, no burn, no irritation, mild redness, but now the herbalist is telling her there's something toxic in her liver causing her to become anemic and she's wondering if using too much cinnamon had anything to do with it. (ya think??) She was DETERMINED to get rid of whatever was ailing her through alternative means, because, for sure if she went to a M.D., they'd want to remove her kidney, and that was NOT gonna happen. I didn't even know where to begin with this woman. I'm not comfortable preaching, nor am I good at " educating " regarding eo's. I have my knowledge, thank goodness for that, and I remember how lost I was half a dozen years ago, or so, when I first stumbled upon lavender eo and started reading up on the whole aromatherapy thing. Of course, the internet was a good resource, and, of course, I came across YL sellers, but found other groups, got all the info and facts, and formed the basis of my opinions on all that. This woman is beyond lost, as far as I'm concerned. there's no telling her to stop using these concentrated extracts undilluted on her skin. To her, more is better, rather than less is more. But she told me she was so excited to get the " Valore " blend, because she has a neighbor friend who has back problems, and she's going to basically go smear her down with this blend to help her through her pain and what-not. I am NOT an eo supplier, but if I have excess, I will sell it, of course, mostly at cost. how do you suppliers deal with the fact that some people are going to misuse the oils? On the one hand, I didn't want to sell her any more neroli. How could she abuse such a gift? Such a beautiful oil that only a drop is needed, and to witness her sprinkle it up and down her arms like water almost turned my stomach. I went ahead and filled her bottle, sold her the " Valore " blend I had got for her, and supplied her with 15 ml of petigrain. But have decided if she wants more neroli, I will just direct her to my favorite suppliers. I'm all for trying alternative means to treat illness first. But the way this woman is thinking, it's just so radical. Such a distance from my more main-stream, middle-of-the-road school of thought. I do not like extremes, one way or the other. Moderation is the key. Do you have to lose weight? Ok, so go on a weight loss diet, but don't deny yourself chocolate cake once in a while, if you really crave chocolate cake. Just eat one slice, ok? not the whole Sara Lee! Sorry, not sure what I'm asking for, just needed to share and vent, I guess. Christy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 At 04:21 PM 12/3/2005, you wrote: >I am NOT an eo supplier, but if I have excess, I will sell it, of course, >mostly at cost. how do you suppliers deal with the fact that some people >are going to misuse the oils? we do what we CAN do. We make the safety information PROMINANTLY available. We put safety indications on labels. When we suspect there is going to be the sort of situation you describe, sometimes we ASK... trying to do so tactfully (which, we all know, is my forte'...NOT!)... and then say something like...ummmm I don't know if that's a really good idea... after all... it's well known that blah blah blah... and give the negatives about their proposed misuse. And I try to stress that they are wasting SUCH a valuable resource.... When one drop will do, it is a sinful waste of limited resources to insist on using 20. but, in the end. if people want to drink the poison koolaid, we can NOT prevent them. Celebrating 10 years online. Supplying pure Essential Oils, Aromatherapy Accessories, Information and more! Visit us at: <http://www.naturesgift.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 Christy, you have presented an interesting and painful dilemma that many people face. Personally, I would stop selling her products at any price, just because I would not want to be a party to abuse. Worst comes to worst, her surviving heirs could try to sue you for supplying her with toxic substances. I know it sounds farfetched, but strange things happen when people die. Also I would direct her to the public library (remember those?) :>)) to educate herself on used of EOs. Maybe give her a small list of good books to buy. She may not do it, but you did what you could to steer her in the right direction. She sounds like an accident waiting to happen. Scary! Gayla Roberts Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California Check out our SALE PAGE at www.bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenoughhobbysale.html A day without Bill Barnhill is like a day without sunshine! goatclearing http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html There is no failure except in no longer trying. Elbert Hubbard - " Christy Greenway " <fufuno1 <Oils_Herbs_Etc > Saturday, December 03, 2005 12:51 PM lady using cinnamon bark neat >I don't know what to do about this odd lady I've met. She came across me > through a friend who had purchased some items at my craft show booth. The > friend gave her a sample of my lavender room/linen spray. She called me > enquiring about the product, and wanting to know where she could get the > mini-sprayers it was packaged in. > > We got to chatting, turns out she's been " into essential oils " for around > 15 > years, hard to believe considering the very little she knows/understands > about them. She's all caught up in the hype regarding medicinal use of > the > oils, and, yes, she is a Young Living distributor, is somewhat aware of > " both sides " regarding YL, and is not committed one way or the other to > only > using their oils. She mainly is a distributor to get the cheaper prices. > > She lost her husband and father within months of each other, has a young > soldier son over in Iraq, and has been dealing with > grief/depression/anxiety > and trying to treat it holistically. She wondered where she could find > jasmine and neroli, undilluted? She has limited access to a PC made > available through her apt complex, and really knows nothing about the > discussion groups/lists and buying from online suppliers. > > I happened to have amounts of both oils I could share, and offered them > for > sale. When I got the impression she was wanting the mini sprayers to put > her blend in to apply to skin undilluted, and suggested she not do that, > that eo's must be dilluted for use on skin, plus they would break down the > plastic. Are you going to be dilluting this blend? I ask. Oh,....well, > then do you know where I could get mini glass sprayers? She just sort of > by-passed the whole issue of neat use of oils. > > She wanted me to purchase 1 oz of Dr. Pappas blend that is a copy-cat of > YL's Valor blend. Apparently, you need to be a business, now, to buy > from > EOU?? She said she read that on one of his webpages. Whatever, I > ordered > it for her, and she came by yesterday to pick it up. > > I initially sold her 15 ml of neroli, she received that by mail from me > less > than a month ago. She came by my house yesterday to pick up the EOU oil, > buy some petitgrain oil, and more neroli. She had already used half the > 15 > ml bottle of Nerol!!! She is applying oils, undilluted, like perfume, > on > her wrists, along her arms, etc., and is AMAZED by the results. She has > been plagued by anxiety her whole life, cannot remember a time when she > wasn't anxious, and cannot believe the AMAZING difference the neroli has > made in her life. > > What was even more stunning was she told me she'd been using cinnamon BARK > oil, undilluted, for several weeks. she sees an " herbalist " , basically > rejects Western medicine, and he told her that one of her kidneys was > almost > completely shut down. This info he gathered from some sort of pulse test > he > does. She takes the herbs he prescribes, plus was going through an oz > of > cinnamon bark eo every 3 days!!! She was applying it directly to her > skin!!!!!!! > > But, but, but....you didn't DILLUTE it first!!?? I mean...didn't it > irritate your skin? And burn?? And turn red?? Oh, she says, she > knows > how to " take the heat off " the oil by placing it " under the pyramid " for > a > couple days before using. No, she claims, no burn, no irritation, mild > redness, but now the herbalist is telling her there's something toxic in > her > liver causing her to become anemic and she's wondering if using too much > cinnamon had anything to do with it. (ya think??) She was DETERMINED to > get rid of whatever was ailing her through alternative means, because, for > sure if she went to a M.D., they'd want to remove her kidney, and that was > NOT gonna happen. > > I didn't even know where to begin with this woman. I'm not comfortable > preaching, nor am I good at " educating " regarding eo's. I have my > knowledge, thank goodness for that, and I remember how lost I was half a > dozen years ago, or so, when I first stumbled upon lavender eo and started > reading up on the whole aromatherapy thing. Of course, the internet was > a > good resource, and, of course, I came across YL sellers, but found other > groups, got all the info and facts, and formed the basis of my opinions on > all that. > > This woman is beyond lost, as far as I'm concerned. there's no telling > her > to stop using these concentrated extracts undilluted on her skin. To her, > more is better, rather than less is more. > > But she told me she was so excited to get the " Valore " blend, because she > has a neighbor friend who has back problems, and she's going to basically > go > smear her down with this blend to help her through her pain and what-not. > > I am NOT an eo supplier, but if I have excess, I will sell it, of course, > mostly at cost. how do you suppliers deal with the fact that some people > are going to misuse the oils? On the one hand, I didn't want to sell her > any more neroli. How could she abuse such a gift? Such a beautiful oil > that only a drop is needed, and to witness her sprinkle it up and down her > arms like water almost turned my stomach. I went ahead and filled her > bottle, sold her the " Valore " blend I had got for her, and supplied her > with > 15 ml of petigrain. But have decided if she wants more neroli, I will > just > direct her to my favorite suppliers. > > I'm all for trying alternative means to treat illness first. But the way > this woman is thinking, it's just so radical. Such a distance from my > more > main-stream, middle-of-the-road school of thought. I do not like > extremes, > one way or the other. Moderation is the key. Do you have to lose weight? > Ok, so go on a weight loss diet, but don't deny yourself chocolate cake > once > in a while, if you really crave chocolate cake. Just eat one slice, ok? > not > the whole Sara Lee! > > Sorry, not sure what I'm asking for, just needed to share and vent, I > guess. > > > Christy > > > > > > The information contained in these e-mails is not a substitute > for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, licensed professional. > > > Step By Step Instructions For Making Herbal Labna Cheese! So easy, SO > yummy! > http://www.aromaticsage.com/cz.htm > > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: > /join > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 On Dec 3, 2005, at 2:51 PM, Christy Greenway wrote: > > > Sorry, not sure what I'm asking for, just needed to share and vent, I > guess. Regarding the integrity/ ethics- it seems you know the right thing to do already. It's entirely reasonable to say NO. I've heard (as have others here) countless accounts like this and the vast majority can be linked in some way to the same source. You can see it coming after a while. Elizabeth Whole Life Essentials Organic & Wild-Crafted Essential Oils & Hydrosols Pure Botanical Products for Health, Wellbeing, & Beauty Retail, Wholesale, Private Label, & Custom Product Design http://www.WholeLifeEssentials.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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