Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 At 11:29 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote: >Can anyone tell me if there is a natural way to preserve a body lotion >if I make one? I do have some GSE but have heard pros and cons about >it. thanks >anne every BIG cosmetics company is searching for an effective 'natural' preservative. If one were found, its discoverer would make a fortune. to date, as far as I know, there is no natural preservative that's proven effective. Celebrating 10 years online. Supplying pure Essential Oils, Aromatherapy Accessories, Information and more! Visit us at: <http://www.naturesgift.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Hey, Den -- if you came up with a natural preservative, you'd be a millionaire. Any ideas? Marge Clark wrote: >At 11:29 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote: > > >>Can anyone tell me if there is a natural way to preserve a body lotion >>if I make one? I do have some GSE but have heard pros and cons about >>it. thanks >>anne >> >> > >every BIG cosmetics company is searching for an effective 'natural' >preservative. > >If one were found, its discoverer would make a fortune. > >to date, as far as I know, there is no natural preservative that's proven >effective. > > > >Celebrating 10 years online. Supplying pure Essential >Oils, Aromatherapy Accessories, Information and more! >Visit us at: <http://www.naturesgift.com> > > > > > >The information contained in these e-mails is not a substitute >for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, licensed professional. > > >Step By Step Instructions For Making Herbal Labna Cheese! So easy, SO yummy! >http://www.aromaticsage.com/cz.htm > > >To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 They say GSE is but the jury is still out Roni <lavenderlady wrote:Hey, Den -- if you came up with a natural preservative, you'd be a millionaire. Any ideas? Marge Clark wrote: >At 11:29 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote: > > >>Can anyone tell me if there is a natural way to preserve a body lotion >>if I make one? I do have some GSE but have heard pros and cons about >>it. thanks >>anne >> >> > >every BIG cosmetics company is searching for an effective 'natural' >preservative. > >If one were found, its discoverer would make a fortune. > >to date, as far as I know, there is no natural preservative that's proven >effective. >Visit us at: <http://www.naturesgift.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 I have read that some use vitamin E as a type of preservative, even though it isn't considered a preservative. First, how does vitamin E help in this regard? Does it actually work? Second, regardless of what it's doing, is it considered natural? Forgive the second question -- I'm really clueless on whether a naturally occurring substance is still natural if it's manufactured -- is the vitamin E we use a synthetic or do we have natural sources for it. Susan H. every BIG cosmetics company is searching for an effective 'natural' preservative. If one were found, its discoverer would make a fortune. to date, as far as I know, there is no natural preservative that's proven effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 Yep vitamin E works as a preservative, tis really great in blends for the face as well, sooo oily. Is it natural? mmm depends, in some cases its synthesised in a lab in some cases its " extracted " Not sure that there is a difference really. I guess the short answer is that the vitamin E we buy is not really in its natural form. Another option is to use Jojoba oil, (actually a wax) this acts as a natural preservative, and is another of those really yummy oils for the face. Blessings Steve Susan Harkins <harkinsss wrote: I have read that some use vitamin E as a type of preservative, even though it isn't considered a preservative. First, how does vitamin E help in this regard? Does it actually work? Second, regardless of what it's doing, is it considered natural? Forgive the second question -- I'm really clueless on whether a naturally occurring substance is still natural if it's manufactured -- is the vitamin E we use a synthetic or do we have natural sources for it. Susan H. every BIG cosmetics company is searching for an effective 'natural' preservative. If one were found, its discoverer would make a fortune. to date, as far as I know, there is no natural preservative that's proven effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 Actually, Vitamin E is NOT a preservative in the sense of being anti-bacterial or anti-fungal. It is a an anti-oxidant. It will keep the oil from going rancid. That is the only way it preserves. Jojoba doesn't go rancid itself, but Jojoba will not prevent the growth of bacteria and fungus. *Smile* Chris (list mom) Think left and think right and think low and think high. Oh, the thinks you can think up if only you try! - Dr Seuss http://www.alittleolfactory.com <http://www.alittleolfactory.com/> On Behalf Of Steve Yep vitamin E works as a preservative, tis really great in blends for the face as well, sooo oily. Is it natural? mmm depends, in some cases its synthesised in a lab in some cases its " extracted " Not sure that there is a difference really. I guess the short answer is that the vitamin E we buy is not really in its natural form. Another option is to use Jojoba oil, (actually a wax) this acts as a natural preservative, and is another of those really yummy oils for the face. Blessings Steve Susan Harkins <harkinsss wrote: I have read that some use vitamin E as a type of preservative, even though it isn't considered a preservative. First, how does vitamin E help in this regard? Does it actually work? Second, regardless of what it's doing, is it considered natural? Forgive the second question -- I'm really clueless on whether a naturally occurring substance is still natural if it's manufactured -- is the vitamin E we use a synthetic or do we have natural sources for it. Susan H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 On Behalf Of Christine Ziegler Saturday, November 12, 2005 7:25 PM RE: Re: natural preservative for lotion Actually, Vitamin E is NOT a preservative in the sense of being anti-bacterial or anti-fungal. It is a an anti-oxidant. It will keep the oil from going rancid. That is the only way it preserves. Jojoba doesn't go rancid itself, but Jojoba will not prevent the growth of bacteria and fungus. *Smile* Chris (list mom) And, vitamin E won't keep fixed oils (especially the more fragile) from going rancid indefinitely. Nature will continue it's journey from life to death, no matter how we attempt to intervene. If you want to sell products using no preservatives, you will have to produce them on demand (from impeccably fresh ingredients), provide them immediately to the end user, make sure they refrigerate them, AND don't contaminate them (simply touching them will do this), and provide a date at which the product will begin to deteriorate under these optimum conditions and should be discarded. My guess is that this date would be no more than 6 months and probably less in some cases. Unrealistic. Many have tried. If it were possible, you'd see them on the market. Strange happenings I see here . . . I have a beautiful begonia and a stalwart Nicotania, both blooming wildly on the deck. It is November 12 in the Cascade foothills of western WA. Unbelievable. Be Strong, Marcia Elston, Samara Botane http://www.wingedseed.com " When the power of love becomes stronger than the love of power, we will have peace. " Jimi Hendrix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 > > Unrealistic. Many have tried. If it were possible, you'd see them on the > market. > Would Colloidal Silver be an option? It is natural and 3 teaspoons in a gallon of water is preservative, at least for pure water. Janet New to the list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 Vitamin E will not preserve your lotion, it can and eventually will grow molds and other nasty stuff. If you are planning on selling your lotion, you need a preservative or risk a law suit. I've been making soaps, skin balms/salves, lotions, etc for a few years and have heard this over and over. Vit. E is more of an anti-oxidant. It will not preserve a lotion. Paula .......... in Michigan I used to have super powers but my therapist took them away I have read that some use vitamin E as a type of preservative, even though it isn't considered a preservative. First, how does vitamin E help in this regard? Does it actually work? Second, regardless of what it's doing, is it considered natural? Forgive the second question -- I'm really clueless on whether a naturally occurring substance is still natural if it's manufactured -- is the vitamin E we use a synthetic or do we have natural sources for it. Susan H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 I don't sell anything. I was curious about the realities of using Vitamin E as a preservative. You guys have been great in explaining things to me. Thank you. I really appreciate it. I'd like to know the difference between an anti-fungal, anti-bacterial (???? did I get those right???) and an antioxidant. Living in total ignorance here. Perhaps there's a good link -- I don't want anyone to spend too much time typing it all out. I don't make lotions or creams, even for myself. I have tried but never been successful -- it is just too iffy a learning experience. I can afford to throw away only so much stuff. After a few tries, I just put that notion away. However, I was wondering how useful Vitamin E would be in other products, such as a salt scrub -- although, wouldn't the salt do the trick by itself? What if water from the shower or bath gets into the stuff? Is the salt enough? Mine never lasts long enough anyway -- but I am curious. I'm sure all of this has probably been discussed a 100 times by now, so I apologize if this is really old and tired topic. Susan H. Vitamin E will not preserve your lotion, it can and eventually will grow molds and other nasty stuff. If you are planning on selling your lotion, you need a preservative or risk a law suit. I've been making soaps, skin balms/salves, lotions, etc for a few years and have heard this over and over. Vit. E is more of an anti-oxidant. It will not preserve a lotion. Paula .......... in Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 Here's the quick and dirty on it... Anti-bacterial - prohobits the growth of and kills bacteria (think Strep) Anti-fungal - prohibits the growth of and kills fungus (think athelete's foot) Anti-oxidant - prevents oils from oxidizing, or turning rancid. It doesn't do anything against growth of bacterias. Salt scrub, if only oil and salt (the kind I don't like, LOL) will not go bad on it's own. But when water is introduced by dipping fingers, shower spray, etc, you're creating an environment for bacteria and fungus to grow. Sure, it goes out of my home with as sterile an environment as possible, but I'd like my customers to be able to use it for more than 2 weeks. I make emulsifed scrubs, so they have a preservative in them anyways Kirstin --- Susan Harkins <harkinsss wrote: > I'd like to know the difference between an > anti-fungal, anti-bacterial (???? > did I get those right???) and an antioxidant. However, I was wondering how useful Vitamin E > would be in other > products, such as a salt scrub -- although, wouldn't > the salt do the trick > by itself? What if water from the shower or bath > gets into the stuff? FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 , Kirstin Key <kirstinkey> wrote: > > > Here's the quick and dirty on it... > > Anti-bacterial - prohobits the growth of and kills > bacteria (think Strep) > > Anti-fungal - prohibits the growth of and kills fungus > (think athelete's foot) Forgive me for butting in and correcting but your definitions are close but not entirely correct, Kirsten. " Anti-bacterial " - prevents growth of bacteria but won't directly kill them off. " Bacteriocidal " - this is the correct term to denote the actual killing of bacteria. Same with " anti-fungal " and " fungicidal " . A good anti-bacterial preservative, then, just prevents a preparation from being taken over by bacteria that are introduced into it but won't directly kill them. It just keeps their numbers down and it's theoretically possible they can die off on their own if the environment isn't friendly to them. Mitsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Hi Janet, >Would Colloidal Silver be an option? It is natural and 3 teaspoons in a >gallon of water is preservative, at least for pure water. I think it is... at least, Martin wrote a couple of months ago: >I saw colloidal silver at a cosmetics trade exhibition in London around >10 years ago. I was VERY impressed with it. Main reason was because >the levels you needed to ensure preservation were way below those you >had to use with chemical preservatives. What are the barriers? Too expensive? Too difficult to make? (I've seen CS machines for sale online, don't know much about them). Does anyone have any info straight from the cosmetics industry on usage, etc? -Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 , Joshua Alexander <listservs@e...> wrote: > Would Colloidal Silver be an option? Interesting idea and one I had not thought of. Although colloidal silver is an effective bactericidal agent, it's been around for such a long, long time I would imagine the cosmetic industry has also toyed with.....and obviously discarded....the idea. And who knows what the reasons might be. Can't be patented? Inherently unsafe? Not all that effective? Too much danger of skin absorbtion? Could be all of the above or none of the above. One thing is for sure.....if a person consumes enough colloidal silver by mouth, the skin turns gray...AND THIS IS PERMANENT. IT WILL NEVER GO AWAY. I used to take colloidal silver by mouth but gave up the practice because of the danger of permanent skin discoloration. Mitsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 what about colloidal silver? Diana of Dewberry Hill Leo Durocher <sounder8834 wrote: They say GSE is but the jury is still out Roni <lavenderlady wrote:Hey, Den -- if you came up with a natural preservative, you'd be a millionaire. Any ideas? Marge Clark wrote: >At 11:29 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote: > > >>Can anyone tell me if there is a natural way to preserve a body lotion >>if I make one? I do have some GSE but have heard pros and cons about >>it. thanks >>anne >> >> > >every BIG cosmetics company is searching for an effective 'natural' >preservative. > >If one were found, its discoverer would make a fortune. > >to date, as far as I know, there is no natural preservative that's proven >effective. >Visit us at: <http://www.naturesgift.com> The information contained in these e-mails is not a substitute for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, licensed professional. Step By Step Instructions For Making Herbal Labna Cheese! So easy, SO yummy! http://www.aromaticsage.com/cz.htm To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 They now have bandaids with colloidal silver on the pads.... Steph }) " A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour. " http://foxesdensoap.com/2005_6deployment.html On Behalf Of seagrape1954 Interesting idea and one I had not thought of. Although colloidal silver is an effective bactericidal agent, it's been around for such a long, long time I would imagine the cosmetic industry has also toyed with.....and obviously discarded....the idea. And who knows what the reasons might be. Can't be patented? Inherently unsafe? Not all that effective? Too much danger of skin absorbtion? Could be all of the above or none of the above. One thing is for sure.....if a person consumes enough colloidal silver by mouth, the skin turns gray...AND THIS IS PERMANENT. IT WILL NEVER GO AWAY. I used to take colloidal silver by mouth but gave up the practice because of the danger of permanent skin discoloration. Mitsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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