Long Post: RE: Soap making, DOVE and Sensitive skin

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> What evil things are they doing to make their bars different? What's

> this " one-quarter moisturizer " business?

>

> And how does this inform home soap making? I'm tempted to play with

> soap making, as I don't like any of the other soap at the store

> either... so how does homemade soap compare, and what do you do to

> make it nice for skin that's both dry and sensitive?

>

> -Josh

 

Hi Josh,

 

I am looking at a bar of Dove's *NEW* Cool Moisture Cucumber & Green Tea

'soap'.

Here's an ingredients list and out to the side, I will tell you what these

ingredients are, just in case you don't know:

Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate (SCI is a surfactant)

Stearic Acid (Saturated Fatty Acid, made from animal fat)

Sodium Tallowate (actual soap made with Tallow, which is BEEF fat.)

Sodium Stearate (Mix of Stearic and palmitic fatty acids)

Water

Sodium Isethionate (Amphoteric detergent used to make detergent soap bars

AKA Syndet bars)

Coconut Acid (Derived from coconut oil)

Sodium Cocoate (actual soap made with Coconut Oil)

Sodium C14-C16 Olefin Sulfonate (AKA: Sulfonic Acids or C14-16-alkane

hydroxy. This ingredient is also used in Car wash concentrates, and Vanish

Automatic Toilet bowl cleaner)

Fragrance

Cucumis Sativus (Cucumber) Fruit Extract

Camillia Sinensis (Green Tea) Leaf Extract

Sodium Sulfate (This is a sulfating agent, I think. Can't remember for

sure. Will have to look this one up)

Propylene Glycol (Humectant and delivery ingredient used in Cosmetics)

Sodium Chloride (Common Salt)

Dipropylene Glycol (AKA: DPG, used as a delivery for fragrances)

Tetrasodium EDTA (Chelating agent)

Tetrasodium Etidronate (Used as a water softener in soaps/Syndet Bars)

Titanium Dioxide (CI 77891)

Green 5 (CI 61570)

Yellow 10 (CI47005)

*US PATENT PENDING*

 

In a nut shell, I would classify this as a SYNDET (Synthetic Detergent) Bar.

It does contain some *real* soap, but not much, if they are truthful in

their ingredients list, which I am sure they are. As far as the 1/4

Moisturizing lotion.....don't know exactly WHICH ingredient they would say

is a lotion. Unless you want to consider the Propylene Glycol. It *is*

a humectant, which is supposed to help with moisture in the skin.

 

I cannot use any Dove 'soap' product, as there is something in there that I

am allergic to. Haven't figured out what...perhaps just a combination of

the ingredients. I don't know. I have the bar, as it was a sample size

that was with some Dove Deodorant that my daughter purchased.

 

Anyway, there are some commercial soaps that are soap, or at least mostly

soap. Irish Spring is one. All commercial soaps are processed to remove

the naturally occuring Glycerin, and they then add a bit back into the soap,

and the rest is sold for other commercial purposes.

 

If you will contact me offlist, and give me your address, I will send you

some of my homemade soap samples, and see if you can tell a difference. I

have several skin disorders, and I have noticed a very marked improvement in

these conditions. I have rosacea, eczema and a mild form of psoriasis on my

scalp. Also I have very very sensitive skin. I was using several

prescriptions from the Dermatologist, that did NOT do any good. When I went

back to the Dr., he saw that my skin was improving, and said " I see that we

finally found a medication that will work for you. " I told him, " No, I

haven't been using those medications for the last 3 months. I have been

using my own soaps and lotions, etc. " You could have knocked him over with

a feather. He basically told me that I was lying and it was the medications

that worked. Well....they don't work if you don't use them!

 

If you want to try soap making, give it a whirl! You'll absolutely LOVE it!

There's nothing like creating your own formulas, adding your own herbs,

hydrosols, whatever. The possibilities are endless really. Just use common

sense when mixing your Lye water, and handling raw soap. Although I've

never had a problem handling raw soap, believe it or not. Perhaps I

superfat it enough that it doesn't burn me....I don't know.

 

Anyway, sorry for the looooong post, but thought I would chime in on this

one.

 

So, there was my 20 dollars worth!

Candy

clucas

 

 

 

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" C. Lucas " <clucas wrote:> -

> What evil things are they doing to make their bars different? What's

> this " one-quarter moisturizer " business?

 

 

>Sodium C14-C16 Olefin Sulfonate (AKA: Sulfonic Acids or C14-16->alkane

hydroxy. This ingredient is also used in Car wash >concentrates, and Vanish

Automatic Toilet bowl cleaner)

 

 

 

!!! WHat do the mfgs of these products think people are washing besides

their skin when bathing....the shower stall, tub and toilet?

 

Why would they put such an ingredient into soap, on the skin. How does this

make for a better skin moisturizing product?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Best regards,

Carol

 

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I don't know ,,,,,,,I often clean my shower while I am

there............LOL! Ravenstone

 

--- Carol Ann <saffireskyes wrote:

 

> " C. Lucas " <clucas wrote:> ----- Original

> Message -----

> > What evil things are they doing to make their

> bars different? What's

> > this " one-quarter moisturizer " business?

>

>

> >Sodium C14-C16 Olefin Sulfonate (AKA: Sulfonic

> Acids or C14-16->alkane hydroxy. This ingredient is

> also used in Car wash >concentrates, and Vanish

> Automatic Toilet bowl cleaner)

>

>

>

> !!! WHat do the mfgs of these products think

> people are washing besides their skin when

> bathing....the shower stall, tub and toilet?

>

> Why would they put such an ingredient into soap, on

> the skin. How does this make for a better skin

> moisturizing product?

Best regards,

> Carol

>

> _______________________________

> Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life.

> The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same

> thinking that created them.

> -Al Einstein.

 

> for Good

> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina

> relief effort.

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[Guest guest]

> !!! WHat do the mfgs of these products think people are washing

> besides their skin when bathing....the shower stall, tub and toilet?

>

> Why would they put such an ingredient into soap, on the skin. How does

> this make for a better skin moisturizing product?

 

Carol,

The one ingredient....the Sodium C14-C16 Olefin Sulfonate, is basically a

surfactant. A synthetic detergent. Which is what most commercial *soaps*

are.

 

Believe it or not, some folks are more sensitive to real soap, and can use

the syndet bars with great success. I am NOT one of them.

 

But, I don't necessarily agree with their assessment that it's a

moisturizing bar. Others may disagree with me.

 

Take care!

Candy

 

 

 

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>I don't know ,,,,,,,I often clean my shower while I am

> there............LOL! Ravenstone

 

LOL, well that's a true multitasker! Actually these soaps and some

shampoos are great to use for laundry. I've used soaps and shampoos to do

pretreating for stains. Sometimes it takes stains out of things that I have

tried everything on! LOL

 

Take care!

Candy

 

 

 

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Candy,Me too!Shampoo works great for those set in's..

Have a good night.Ravenstone

 

--- " C. Lucas " <clucas wrote:

 

> >I don't know ,,,,,,,I often clean my shower while I

> am

> > there............LOL! Ravenstone

>

> LOL, well that's a true multitasker! Actually

> these soaps and some

> shampoos are great to use for laundry. I've used

> soaps and shampoos to do

> pretreating for stains. Sometimes it takes stains

> out of things that I have

> tried everything on! LOL

>

> Take care!

> Candy

>

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> Candy,Me too!Shampoo works great for those set in's..

> Have a good night.Ravenstone

 

You have a good night too. On a side note: Murphy's Oil Soap, or the

generic equivalent works WONDERS in removing blood stains. I wonder if

it removes the DNA evidence too? LOLOL Just KIDDING! Seriously, when you

have 3 very active kiddos, you have cuts and scrapes and they inevitably get

the blood on their clothes! Also, they tend to leave the blood there until

it's dried, THEN they tell you that they got it on their good jeans.

<sheesh!>

 

Good night!

Candy

 

 

 

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I use Murphys on my yard....It is a great way to keep

soft bodied insects from eating your flowers.......

I really should go to bed.I made the mistake of

breaking down and having a Diet Coke in the

afternoon....Oh Well.......Ravenstone

 

--- " C. Lucas " <clucas wrote:

 

> > Candy,Me too!Shampoo works great for those set

> in's..

> > Have a good night.Ravenstone

>

> You have a good night too. On a side note:

> Murphy's Oil Soap, or the

> generic equivalent works WONDERS in removing blood

> stains. I wonder if

> it removes the DNA evidence too? LOLOL Just

> KIDDING! Seriously, when you

> have 3 very active kiddos, you have cuts and scrapes

> and they inevitably get

> the blood on their clothes! Also, they tend to

> leave the blood there until

> it's dried, THEN they tell you that they got it on

> their good jeans.

> <sheesh!>

>

> Good night!

> Candy

 

 

 

 

 

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>Believe it or not, some folks are more sensitive to real soap, and can use

>the syndet bars with great success. I am NOT one of them.

 

Yeah... can't stand Irish Spring, Ivory, etc.

 

As unsavory as I find the Dove ingredient lists, the bars *seem* to

have been fairly good to us, if you consider us apart from our

environment/wherever both the suds and manufacturing byproducts end

up.

 

Candy, thanks for your 20 dollars worth ;-) Great post, I appreciate

you taking the time to do that.

 

1/4 moisturizer indeed...

 

-Josh

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Oh yeah... I wanted to ask if you've found anything specifically in

homemade soap making that helps or aggravates these, especially

eczema.

 

> I have several skin disorders, and I have noticed a very marked

>improvement in

>these conditions. I have rosacea, eczema and a mild form of psoriasis on my

>scalp.

[Guest guest]

> As unsavory as I find the Dove ingredient lists, the bars *seem* to

> have been fairly good to us, if you consider us apart from our

> environment/wherever both the suds and manufacturing byproducts end

> up.

> Candy, thanks for your 20 dollars worth ;-) Great post, I appreciate

> you taking the time to do that.

> 1/4 moisturizer indeed...

> -Josh

 

Josh,

You are more than welcome!! Glad I could be of some help. Hey...if the

Dove stuff works for you fairly well, then use it. But I will have

those samples coming to you soon! Hopefully you will like them! Then maybe

I can talk you into making your own. I believe once you try soaping, you'll

keep doing it. It's very addictive! But hey, that's an addiction that I am

more than happy to have. It's better than some alternatives. LOL

 

Hugs,

Candy

 

 

 

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> Oh yeah... I wanted to ask if you've found anything specifically in

> homemade soap making that helps or aggravates these, especially

> eczema.

 

Josh,

In my homemade soaps, I've had NO problems with it aggravating my eczema.

With a couple of my soap recipes, I noticed that they didn't help with the

eczema, but it didn't make it worse. I have several recipes that I use now,

and they help tremendously. I have found that the more superfatting, and

the types of oils/butters I use, the better. Of course, you can't superfat

the soap too much, or it will go rancid on you, but 5 to 8% superfatting

works well for me.

 

My skin is usually really dry, especially during the winter time. But after

using my soaps, most of the time, I don't even have to use lotions or

moisturizers. Most homemade soaps are like this. Not just mine.

 

HTH,

Candy

 

 

 

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