Digest Number 2216

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In a message dated 11/23/2004 2:59:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

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Message: 2

Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:24:26 -0000

" heylaurag " <heylaurag

navel pain....worms?

 

 

I wanted to see if anyone has any ideas about treating this

patient...or perhaps where to look to find out:

 

I have a patient with constant tightness/pain around his navel. It

is not terribly painful, but he doesn't like any pressure on it and

has been this way for years. It doesn't come and go. He also has

pain above the navel which is different---pressure feels good there.

On p. 313 of " The Treatment of Pain with Chinese Herbs and

Acupuncture " , Sun Peilin said that pain around the navel is usually

caused by ascariasis (worms), but he does not go on to describe a way

to treat it.

 

What do you think? Do you think that is the likely diagnosis, and if

so, are Chinese herbs an effective strategy to treat it? Any ideas

about how I should treat it?

 

His navel has a very unusual shape to it----it looks like the kind of

navel that I heard described as being from prolapse with deficiency,

but I really don't think that's the case with him. It seems to me

that the navel area has an excess that is pulling down the qi from

the epigastric area which is therefore deficient. This theory sounds

consistent with worms to me. He is in his 30's and has always been

very athletic, but has been having a very hard time lately due to a

divorce (but the navel problem started long before that), so there is

depression. He has a deep central crack to his tongue, and at times

has a thick coating and at other times as virtually no coating.

Pulses can be wiry but often aren't as strong as I would expect. He

does think its possible that the navel pain started back when he had

pneumonia years ago....and thinks that his health has never been the

same since then. However, he is not certain of this.

 

He has traveled a fair amount in his life, so its possible he could

have gotten worms in his travels.

 

Thanks so much for any ideas you can share,

 

Laura

Laura ,

How about doing a test for worms. like through Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs

or other reputable company. Has he been tested for a hernia? Is the area hot

or cold?

Was there alot of antibiotic use when he had pneumonia? Possibly he has very

imbalanced intestinal flora, with subsequent degeneration of the digestive

function. There are so many more questions I would ask you...stools, digestion,

color of the belly, etc.

Nutricology/Allergy Research Group has some good products for worms

(vermifuges) that include artemesia plants species. Health Concerns has some and

will

consult via a message taker. Organic Grapefruit seed extract liquid- by

Nutribiotic can be helpful.

 

If he really does have a mixed syndrome as so many people do, you have to

watch very closely and adjust treatment from clearing to nourishing when you

can.

Good luck.

Carolyn Pole

Escondido, CA

 

 

 

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Mary, we ALWAYS ship in glass, and the USPS has paid for broken

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damage was from mishandling. insurance paid.

 

 

 

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