Guest guest Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Hi folks, So--and don't burn me at the stake--we're using Dove soap mostly... partner has a dry skin condition and out of everything at the store (again with the not burning at the stake) that's what he's found softens his skin the most. What evil things are they doing to make their bars different? What's this " one-quarter moisturizer " business? And how does this inform home soap making? I'm tempted to play with soap making, as I don't like any of the other soap at the store either... so how does homemade soap compare, and what do you do to make it nice for skin that's both dry and sensitive? -Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Josh, As a fellow dry and sensitive skin person I HAD to learn to make my own soap. There is a HUGE difference for me. Why don't you start with something simple? My first soap was extra virgin olive oil and castor oil and really moisturized my skin. Since then I have made many different ones with shea and other butters. If you want a simple recipe, I can send you one to get started. Sharon , Joshua Alexander <listservs@e...> wrote: > Hi folks, > > So--and don't burn me at the stake--we're using Dove soap mostly... > partner has a dry skin condition and out of everything at the store > (again with the not burning at the stake) that's what he's found > softens his skin the most. > > What evil things are they doing to make their bars different? What's > this " one-quarter moisturizer " business? > > And how does this inform home soap making? I'm tempted to play with > soap making, as I don't like any of the other soap at the store > either... so how does homemade soap compare, and what do you do to > make it nice for skin that's both dry and sensitive? > > -Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Josh send me your address and I'll send you a couple bars of goats milk soap. Then you can judge for yourself. No charge for the bars. Julia Graber Girl By Julia Julia Graber Cregger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 There's also a soap recipe or two at Aromatic Sage. http://www.aromaticsage.com K On 9/17/05, Alex Windancer <windancr wrote: > > Sharon, > would you mind posting it to the list? I would like to have a simple soap > recipe. Been trying to get brave enough to make a small batch of soap. > -- > Cheers! > Kathleen Petrides > The Woobey Queen > Http://www.woobeyworld.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 would you mind posting it to the list? I would like to have a simple soap recipe. Been trying to get brave enough to make a small batch of soap. Been over a hundred here all this last week, and going to be about that next week. Everyone take care Selene Oh, Selene.....Josh, everyone who's said anything about gentle soaps......there's nothing more simple than a plain old castile. Here's a good one - just plug the amount of oils you are using into a lye calculator to get your lye and water usage: 90% olive oil 10% castor oil The castor will give the olive some more lather.....olive oil castile, on its own, doesn't have a very rich lather - but it's a great soap and the most gentle you can find. It will take a while to trace, so be patient (or use a stick blender). Cindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 I have this recipe in a word document or pdf file using the blender if anyone would like it. It is too large to post here. Sharon , " Pittstown Soapworks, LLC " <guinness97@a...> wrote: > would you mind posting it to the list? I would like to have a simple soap > recipe. Been trying to get brave enough to make a small batch of soap. > > Been over a hundred here all this last week, and going to be about that > next week. > Everyone take care > > Selene > > > Oh, Selene.....Josh, everyone who's said anything about gentle soaps......there's nothing more simple than a plain old castile. > > Here's a good one - just plug the amount of oils you are using into a lye calculator to get your lye and water usage: > > 90% olive oil > 10% castor oil > > The castor will give the olive some more lather.....olive oil castile, on its own, doesn't have a very rich lather - but it's a great soap and the most gentle you can find. It will take a while to trace, so be patient (or use a stick blender). > > Cindy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 - What evil things are they doing to make their bars different? What's this " one-quarter moisturizer " business? And how does this inform home soap making? I'm tempted to play with soap making, as I don't like any of the other soap at the store either... so how does homemade soap compare, and what do you do to make it nice for skin that's both dry and sensitive? -Josh Josh, you asked,I think, in a nutshell the difference between store bought and homemade soap. The main difference is...home made soap contains all the glycerin that it was made with. Commercial soap companies extract the glycerin and then add other chemicals and detergents. Different recipes for soaps do basically the same thing..which is moisturize and gently clean. Even though we all use some of the same oils, for the most part, we add to that whichever oil we think will be the most beneficial to that end . As the first ingredient we use either water, goat's milk or I sometimes use Aloe Vera Juice. Then we use other oils for the properties such as hardness of bar, lathering, conditioning, etc. Does this answer your question? Oh, the " one quarter moisturizer " business? I don't really know...maybe only one quarter of their formula is moisturizing ingredients..don't really know. Most of our homemade soap is all moisturizing, hehehe! Anita in TX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 I am curious, does anyone test the pH balance of their soap products? I know commercial soaps are harsh, especially the " anti-perspirants " and are probably designed so. This may sound odd, but I often wonder if people " wash " too often stipping skin of its natural oils affecting the protective acid mantle and natural balance. > - > What evil things are they doing to make their bars > different? What's > this " one-quarter moisturizer " business? > > And how does this inform home soap making? I'm > tempted to play with > soap making, as I don't like any of the other soap > at the store > either... so how does homemade soap compare, and > what do you do to > make it nice for skin that's both dry and > sensitive? > > -Josh > > Josh, you asked,I think, in a nutshell the > difference between store bought and homemade soap. > The main difference is...home made soap contains all > the glycerin that it was made with. Commercial soap > companies extract the glycerin and then add other > chemicals and detergents. Different recipes for > soaps do basically the same thing..which is > moisturize and gently clean. Even though we all use > some of the same oils, for the most part, we add to > that whichever oil we think will be the most > beneficial to that end > . As the first ingredient we use either water, > goat's milk or I sometimes use Aloe Vera Juice. Then > we use other oils for the properties such as > hardness of bar, lathering, conditioning, etc. > Does this answer your question? > Oh, the " one quarter moisturizer " business? I > don't really know...maybe only one quarter of their > formula is moisturizing ingredients..don't really > know. Most of our homemade soap is all > moisturizing, hehehe! > Anita in TX > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Best regards, Carol _______________________________ Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life. The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them. -Al Einstein. Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Most handmade soaps have a PH level around 9 or 10 so as far as PH goes its pretty high up there. I've managed to get a few bars down around 8 but its never the same from bar to bar. Veronica Davidson http://www.veronicaslavishlathers.com http://www.friendswithms.com - Carol Ann Monday, September 19, 2005 1:17 PM Re: Dove, soap making, sensitive skin I am curious, does anyone test the pH balance of their soap products? I know commercial soaps are harsh, especially the " anti-perspirants " and are probably designed so. This may sound odd, but I often wonder if people " wash " too often stipping skin of its natural oils affecting the protective acid mantle and natural balance. > - > What evil things are they doing to make their bars > different? What's > this " one-quarter moisturizer " business? > > And how does this inform home soap making? I'm > tempted to play with > soap making, as I don't like any of the other soap > at the store > either... so how does homemade soap compare, and > what do you do to > make it nice for skin that's both dry and > sensitive? > > -Josh > > Josh, you asked,I think, in a nutshell the > difference between store bought and homemade soap. > The main difference is...home made soap contains all > the glycerin that it was made with. Commercial soap > companies extract the glycerin and then add other > chemicals and detergents. Different recipes for > soaps do basically the same thing..which is > moisturize and gently clean. Even though we all use > some of the same oils, for the most part, we add to > that whichever oil we think will be the most > beneficial to that end > . As the first ingredient we use either water, > goat's milk or I sometimes use Aloe Vera Juice. Then > we use other oils for the properties such as > hardness of bar, lathering, conditioning, etc. > Does this answer your question? > Oh, the " one quarter moisturizer " business? I > don't really know...maybe only one quarter of their > formula is moisturizing ingredients..don't really > know. Most of our homemade soap is all > moisturizing, hehehe! > Anita in TX > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Best regards, Carol _______________________________ Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life. The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them. -Al Einstein. Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 The information contained in these e-mails is not a substitute for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, licensed professional. Step By Step Instructions For Making Herbal Labna Cheese! So easy, SO yummy! http://www.aromaticsage.com/cz.htm To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Veronica, et al Since looking at the various websites provided, those who showcase their individual products, I must say, some of the soaps are absolutely stunning. My compliments to you all. Your work is beautiful. Best regards, --- Veronica Davidson <mommyv3 wrote: > Most handmade soaps have a PH level around 9 or 10 > so as far as PH goes its pretty high up there. I've > managed to get a few bars down around 8 but its > never the same from bar to bar. > Veronica Davidson > http://www.veronicaslavishlathers.com > http://www.friendswithms.com > - > Carol Ann > > Monday, September 19, 2005 1:17 PM > Re: Dove, soap making, > sensitive skin > > > I am curious, does anyone test the pH balance of > their > soap products? I know commercial soaps are harsh, > especially the " anti-perspirants " and are probably > designed so. This may sound odd, but I often > wonder if > people " wash " too often stipping skin of its > natural > oils affecting the protective acid mantle and > natural > balance. > > > > - > > What evil things are they doing to make their > bars > > different? What's > > this " one-quarter moisturizer " business? > > > > And how does this inform home soap making? I'm > > tempted to play with > > soap making, as I don't like any of the other > soap > > at the store > > either... so how does homemade soap compare, > and > > what do you do to > > make it nice for skin that's both dry and > > sensitive? > > > > -Josh > > > > Josh, you asked,I think, in a nutshell the > > difference between store bought and homemade > soap. > > The main difference is...home made soap contains > all > > the glycerin that it was made with. Commercial > soap > > companies extract the glycerin and then add > other > > chemicals and detergents. Different recipes > for > > soaps do basically the same thing..which is > > moisturize and gently clean. Even though we all > use > > some of the same oils, for the most part, we add > to > > that whichever oil we think will be the most > > beneficial to that end > > . As the first ingredient we use either water, > > goat's milk or I sometimes use Aloe Vera Juice. > Then > > we use other oils for the properties such as > > hardness of bar, lathering, conditioning, etc. > > Does this answer your question? > > Oh, the " one quarter moisturizer " business? > I > > don't really know...maybe only one quarter of > their > > formula is moisturizing ingredients..don't > really > > know. Most of our homemade soap is all > > moisturizing, hehehe! > > Anita in TX > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > Best regards, > Carol > > _______________________________ > Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life. > The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same > thinking that created them. > -Al Einstein. > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > > > > > The information contained in these e-mails is not > a substitute > for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, > licensed professional. > > > Step By Step Instructions For Making Herbal Labna > Cheese! So easy, SO yummy! > http://www.aromaticsage.com/cz.htm > > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) > see the following link: > /join > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 hey Carol, I ready a study once that said people washed too often period. With all the worry and scurry of bacteria etc that folk were actually in danger of getting sick from being too clean... in other words being exposed to " dirt " actually helped to improve the immune system. Also read something a while back that SUN exposure is GOOD for ya! That sunshine actually was beneficial in helping to prevent certain cancers such as Colon, lung etc. It said not to be ridiculous and fry yourself but that 15 minutes a day, every day with as much exposed skin as possible was the best happy medium... also said that the risks of the other cancers outweighed the melenoma risk. K On 9/19/05, Carol Ann <saffireskyes wrote: > > I am curious, does anyone test the pH balance of their > soap products? I know commercial soaps are harsh, > especially the " anti-perspirants " and are probably > designed so. This may sound odd, but I often wonder if > people " wash " too often stipping skin of its natural > oils affecting the protective acid mantle and natural > balance. > > -- > Cheers! > Kathleen Petrides > The Woobey Queen > Http://www.woobeyworld.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Hmmm. This CDC article is geard towards medics, but in general it looks as if bathing does not make one any cleaner, especially if using regular soap. It also mentions that the skin on the hands of those in the medical profession, due to frequent washing, breaks down making them more susceptible to infections and disease. Theoreticaly, too frequent " washing " , being too clean, breaking down the natural acidic mantle, could make one more prone to disease. Lady soap makers, perhaps there is a market for more naturally balanced ,antibacterial products for those in the medical profession. My great grandmother showered infrequently, if I remember, once a week and never had a displeasing odor. Sponge baths were big in her book. She believed washing would ruin her skin. At 96 years old, her skin was still extradionary. http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no2/larson.htm Recommendations for the General Public Bathing or showering cleans the skin by mechanical removal of bacteria shed on corneocytes. Bacterial counts are at least as high or higher after bathing or showering with a regular soap than before. Frequent bathing has aesthetic and stress-relieving benefits but serves little microbiologic purpose. Mild, nonantimicrobial soap should suffice for routine bathing. Bathing with an antimicrobial product reduces rates of cutaneous infection and could be beneficial when skin infections are likely or before certain surgical procedures. With those exceptions, available data do not support a recommendation for bathing with antimicrobial products. No single recommendation for hand hygiene practices in the general population would be adequate. The potential advantage of sustained antimicrobial activity for certain occupations (e.g., food handlers and child-care providers) must be balanced with the theoretical possibility of emergence of resistant strains and perhaps other, as yet unrecognized, safety issues. Conclusions From the public health perspective, more frequent use of current hygiene practices may not necessarily be better (i.e., perhaps sometimes clean is " too clean " ), and the same recommendations cannot be applied to all users or situations. Future investigation is likely to improve understanding of the interaction between skin physiology, microbiology, and ecology and the role of the skin in the transmission of infectious diseases. --- Woobey Queen <WoobeyQueen wrote: > hey Carol, > I ready a study once that said people washed too > often period. With all the > worry and scurry of bacteria etc that folk were > actually in danger of > getting sick from being too clean... in other words > being exposed to " dirt " > actually helped to improve the immune system. > Also read something a while back that SUN exposure > is GOOD for ya! That > sunshine actually was beneficial in helping to > prevent certain cancers such > as Colon, lung etc. It said not to be ridiculous and > fry yourself but that > 15 minutes a day, every day with as much exposed > skin as possible was the > best happy medium... also said that the risks of the > other cancers > outweighed the melenoma risk. > K > > On 9/19/05, Carol Ann <saffireskyes > wrote: > > > > I am curious, does anyone test the pH balance of > their > > soap products? I know commercial soaps are harsh, > > especially the " anti-perspirants " and are probably > > designed so. This may sound odd, but I often > wonder if > > people " wash " too often stipping skin of its > natural > > oils affecting the protective acid mantle and > natural > > balance. > > > > -- > > Cheers! > > Kathleen Petrides > > The Woobey Queen > > Http://www.woobeyworld.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Best regards, Carol _______________________________ Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life. The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them. -Al Einstein. Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Carol Ann, Thank you. Its an addictive hobby. I started with HP (hot process) soaps where I made soap for years in a crock pot. About 3 years ago I did my first CP soap and I alternate back and forth depending on what I want to make. I dabble in MP but in my opinion that is a true art form. It takes a lot of practice to get the layers to go together just right and then there are those who can paint on MP soaps. I'm not one of them. I like the HP method because I can use the soap sooner and don't have to wait a few months for a nice hard bar. I use it within a week after I cut it. My CP soaps I let sit for a few months before I use them. Veronica Davidson <http://www.veronicaslavishlathers.com> http://www.veronicaslavishlathers.com <http://www.friendswithms.com> http://www.friendswithms.com On Behalf Of Carol Ann Monday, September 19, 2005 2:20 PM Re: Dove, soap making, sensitive skin Veronica, et al Since looking at the various websites provided, those who showcase their individual products, I must say, some of the soaps are absolutely stunning. My compliments to you all. Your work is beautiful. Best regards, --- Veronica Davidson <mommyv3 wrote: > Most handmade soaps have a PH level around 9 or 10 > so as far as PH goes its pretty high up there. I've > managed to get a few bars down around 8 but its > never the same from bar to bar. > Veronica Davidson > http://www.veronicaslavishlathers.com > http://www.friendswithms.com > - > Carol Ann > > Monday, September 19, 2005 1:17 PM > Re: Dove, soap making, > sensitive skin > > > I am curious, does anyone test the pH balance of > their > soap products? I know commercial soaps are harsh, > especially the " anti-perspirants " and are probably > designed so. This may sound odd, but I often > wonder if > people " wash " too often stipping skin of its > natural > oils affecting the protective acid mantle and > natural > balance. > > > > - > > What evil things are they doing to make their > bars > > different? What's > > this " one-quarter moisturizer " business? > > > > And how does this inform home soap making? I'm > > tempted to play with > > soap making, as I don't like any of the other > soap > > at the store > > either... so how does homemade soap compare, > and > > what do you do to > > make it nice for skin that's both dry and > > sensitive? > > > > -Josh > > > > Josh, you asked,I think, in a nutshell the > > difference between store bought and homemade > soap. > > The main difference is...home made soap contains > all > > the glycerin that it was made with. Commercial > soap > > companies extract the glycerin and then add > other > > chemicals and detergents. Different recipes > for > > soaps do basically the same thing..which is > > moisturize and gently clean. Even though we all > use > > some of the same oils, for the most part, we add > to > > that whichever oil we think will be the most > > beneficial to that end > > . As the first ingredient we use either water, > > goat's milk or I sometimes use Aloe Vera Juice. > Then > > we use other oils for the properties such as > > hardness of bar, lathering, conditioning, etc. > > Does this answer your question? > > Oh, the " one quarter moisturizer " business? > I > > don't really know...maybe only one quarter of > their > > formula is moisturizing ingredients..don't > really > > know. Most of our homemade soap is all > > moisturizing, hehehe! > > Anita in TX > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > Best regards, > Carol > > _______________________________ > Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life. > The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same > thinking that created them. > -Al Einstein. > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > > > > > The information contained in these e-mails is not > a substitute > for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, > licensed professional. > > > Step By Step Instructions For Making Herbal Labna > Cheese! So easy, SO yummy! > http://www.aromaticsage.com/cz.htm > > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) > see the following link: > /join > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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