On vaccines & gallbladder - repost

[Guest guest]

From about a year ago:

Please check this site for the REAL truth on this quack treatment:

http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm

 

All of these so called " gall bladder flush " remedies are based on

poorly documented anecdotal reports. As far as I am aware there has

never been a properly controlled study done on the subject.

 

There are many issues involved:

1. Without careful abdominal ultrasound scans one cannot be certain

if a problem is due to gallstones.

 

2. Without scans before a flush and afterwards one cannot know if

stones were there and if they have passed.

 

3. Many other conditions can mimic the pain caused by gallstones,

some are self correcting others are serious. If someone has been

told they have gallstones and after a quack treatment they no longer

have symptoms of course they believe it is due to the treatment

rather than them not having gallstones in the first place. That is

what most of these reports are based on.

 

4. It is a physical impossibility to get vegetable oils into the

gallbladder. The gallbladder is there to produce bile to emulsify

oils and fats in the gut. Therefore, one cannot possibly " flush it "

by that mechanism. Anyone who says otherwise has not trained on any

kind of reputable complementary medicine course.

 

5. I find it it just mind blowing that anyone can claim they have

passed a gallstone without any pain. When one knows how tiny the

common bile duct is and with that lousy piece of S bend plumbing, it

is just beyond me how a stone can pass along that tube without

someone

knowing about it. In any case, unless someone routinely sieves their

feces how the heck do they know what they have passed?

 

As a qualified medical herbalist I am well aware of those herbs with

a reputation for dispersing gallstones. However, any herbalist

worthy of that name will tell you such treatments are long term.

Anyone who claims overnight effects is a dangerous quack. Herbs and

diet are great for relieving some symptoms, but to cure the problem

short term-no way.

 

>Even people with no gallbladder still pass stones from the liver.<

Having just had a through scan of my own liver I can tell you there

are no cavities or ducts in it where stones could possibly form.

Anyone who makes such statements clearly knows nothing about

physiology or anatomy.

 

Beware of claims on websites aimed at gathering clients for quack

therapists.

 

Martin Watt

http://www.aromamedical.com

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Re Gallstones-new information

 

The Angel centre claims:

http://www.angelhealingcenter.com/GallstonePictures

 

For those who really believe the information on the above website and

this idea about 'gallstone flushes' please visit the page below

written by a real expert and scroll down to his item on gallstones.

Great to see I am not the only one saying these treatments are quack

medicine. http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm

 

I think Katherine covered it all on gallstones in her excellent mail

on this subject, nothing to add to that.

 

Comments on other things on the Angel centre and other web sites:

 

Colonic treatments and others claiming to " detoxify the liver " are

hogwash with no basis other than people say they feel better

afterwards. Give me a box of chocolates and I get the same feeling

without the need to detoxify my liver or have a colonic afterwards.

 

With herbs you can support liver function and force it to operate a

bit more efficiently, but the liver " detoxifies " itself perfectly

well unless one has severe disease. The only real use for colonics

is if someone is badly constipated, otherwise a waste of money. None

of their theories on detoxification of a normal persons body stand up

to close scrutiny.

 

Their claims about parasitic gut worms are way out of date and based

on times past when malnourishment was rife. It is now believed from

research that having gut worms (if one is not already malnourished)

are a positive *advantage*. The worms seem to work in a symbiotic

manner to control allergic over-reactions of the body, in other words

they try to make themselves comfy with a good food source while not

harming their host -clever creatures. Investigations are currently

under way to determine which types of gut worms are most advantageous

and how best to administer them. Some people are now taking worm

cysts as medication to control severe gut disorders and other

symptoms which no other treatment has cured.

 

If people want to waste money by throwing it at scammers fine, that's

their freedom of choice. Just be sure they know what they are

talking about and will not cause more harm than good.

 

Martin Watt

 

, " Ieneke van Houten "

<ienvan@t...> wrote:

> Martin wrote:

>

> These 'gall bladder flushes' are dangerous quack medicine. I

expect I have the mails if you want them reposted.

>

> Martin,

>

>

> But I have heard positive reports from many

> people who have used the flushes.

> Take a look at http://curezone.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thought I would include some info from Healing With Whole Foods...

 

It outlines a gradual gall bladder cleanse, and a gall bladder

flush... although the gradual cleanse is recommended for large stones

that can't be flushed through the bile duct.

 

For the cleanse...

Avoid:

- foods richest in saturated fats and cholesterol (heavy meats, dairy, eggs)

- peanuts, and eat other nuts and seeds sparingly, if at all

 

Eat primarily:

- unrefined grains

- vegetables

- fruits

- legumes

 

Emphasize:

" Pears, parsnips, seaweeds, lemons, limes, and turmeric hasten

gallstone removal "

" Radish also removes deposits and stones from the gall bladder. For

21 days, eat just one or two radishes a day between meals; in

addition, drink three cups of cleavers (Galium aparine) tea, or five

cups of chamomile (Anthemis nobilis) tea each day. "

" Finally, pour five teaspoons of fresh, cold-pressed flax oil over

food at one meal of the day, or use half this amount at two daily

meals. The dosage can vary proportionally according to weight (a

160-pound person needs about five teaspoons). Flax oil should be

taken six days a week for two months. "

 

The flush is a one-day ritual...

- " Beginning in the morning and throughout the day, eat only apples,

preferably organic, as many as desired, but at least four or five.

Apples of the green variety seem most effective, although all apples

will help.... "

- " Water, herbal teas, and/or apple juice may also be taken. "

- " At bed-time, warm up two-thirds of a cup of virgin olive oil to

body temp and mix in one-third of a cup of fresh lemon juice. Slowly

sip the entire mixture, and then immediately go to bed, lying on the

right side, with the right leg drawn up. In the morning all stones

should pass in the stool. This flush should be done with the guidance

of an experienced health practitioner. "

 

-Josh

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to say something about gallbladder attacks, if I may.

 

I do not or ever had gallstones. No never in my life.

I do, however, get gallbladder attacks.

 

How can this be you may ask. Well on my last operation they cut a

piece of scar tissue. It snapped back on to my bile duct. So even if

I have a drink of some coke, pepsi, 7up etc...I can get a gallbladder

attack. 5 hours of agony is not my idea of a fun time.

 

I test everything that goes into my mouth now. But I just wanted to

say that some people do not get gallbladder attacks because of stones.

Sometimes it could be something else than stones.

 

Anything that would create more bile for me would be hazardous to say

the least.

 

Thanks for listening.

Barbara

[Guest guest]

Very interesting Barbara...I just did a flush on my

liver/gallbladder and still get attacks...I'll keep

this info in mind.

 

--- sewingstorms <sewingstorms wrote:

 

> I just wanted to say something about gallbladder

> attacks, if I may.

>

> I do not or ever had gallstones. No never in my

> life.

> I do, however, get gallbladder attacks.

>

> How can this be you may ask. Well on my last

> operation they cut a

> piece of scar tissue. It snapped back on to my bile

> duct. So even if

> I have a drink of some coke, pepsi, 7up etc...I can

> get a gallbladder

> attack. 5 hours of agony is not my idea of a fun

> time.

>

> I test everything that goes into my mouth now. But

> I just wanted to

> say that some people do not get gallbladder attacks

> because of stones.

> Sometimes it could be something else than stones.

>

> Anything that would create more bile for me would be

> hazardous to say

> the least.

>

> Thanks for listening.

> Barbara

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Well I got mail

I had to go back to my sources about the vaccines to get the

percentages correct. For I saw that I goofed up.

 

it was during a case in Kansa in 1988 -1989 during an outbreak that

occurred among primary and secondary school students of whom nearly 98%

had documentation of vaccination and the majority of cases 77.3% were

tested.

 

of the school age patients who were serologically tested. 47% lacked

detectable antibodies to measles, rubella or both, despite having

received measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine. This means there was

nothing at all there.

 

my source is Viral Infections of Humans Fourth Edition

edited by Alfred S. Evans and Richard A. Kaslow

 

For those who will want to know where I get my info from.

> Thanks for listening.

> Barbara

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

 

What exactly happens in a gall bladder attack without the stones? Sincerely

curious.

 

Ien

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " Ieneke van Houten "

<ienvan@t...> wrote:

> Barbara,

>

> What exactly happens in a gall bladder attack without the stones?

Sincerely curious.

>

> Ien

>

 

Well it starts off feeling like I really over ate and my stomach

starts to hurt. That lasts about 3 hours and then the real pain

starts.

I will try to describe it.....It is a piercing pain, goes right from

my back through to the front. Right in about where your stomach is

or dead centre of where your ribs end. I can not walk upright and

must bend over, can not lay down, can not sit without rocking. I am

use to pain most of my life but this one is the worst I have. It

lasts exactly 5 hours. I can set my watch to it and then it stops.

I get to sleep then.

 

I have been to a massage therapist and she has worked on the tissue

and it has helped but I still need to test everything that goes into

my mouth.

 

Barbara

[Guest guest]

> What exactly happens in a gall bladder attack without the stones?

Sincerely curious.

 

Ien

 

Thanks for describing it Barbara.

That sounds horrible.

I still have no idea what happens inside

your body when this happens??

 

Do you have someone in the house who

can hold the reflex point for the

gallbladder for you?

It can be quite effective and is one

of the easiest ones to find.

Or try it yourself on your hand.

 

On the back of the right hand, follow the

groove between the little finger and the ring finger,

till the end, the tip of the V.

The gallbladder reflex is on the same spot but on the palm.

Squeeze hard from both sides with thumb and index finger of left hand.

 

On the foot, same thing except with toes.

Just feel around, your pain will tell you when

you are on the right spot!

 

Here is a map too:

http://uk.dk.com/static/cs/uk/11/features/reflexology/extract.html

 

I hope you won't have to use it.

 

Ien in the Kootenays

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