Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 At 05:07 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote: >The room temp products are preserved with GSE and, interestingly >enough, silver. I've seen another supplier use colloidal silver as a preservative. Don't know how effective it is. Celebrating 10 years online. Supplying pure Essential Oils, Aromatherapy Accessories, Information and more! Visit us at: <http://www.naturesgift.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 I saw colloidal silver at a cosmetics trade exhibition in London around 10 years ago. I was VERY impressed with it. Main reason was because the levels you needed to ensure preservation were way below those you had to use with chemical preservatives. I guess though we will have the same problem as with many excellent cosmetic trade products, and that is the big suppliers will often not sell small volumes. I have seen plant extracts at some of these shows that would be ideal for herbalists or for aromatherapy, etc. but you just can't get hold of them in small volumes. Martin Watt http://www.aromamedical.com , Marge Clark <marge@n...> wrote: > At 05:07 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote: > > >The room temp products are preserved with GSE and, interestingly > >enough, silver. > > I've seen another supplier use colloidal silver as a preservative. Don't > know how effective it is. > > > > Celebrating 10 years online. Supplying pure Essential > Oils, Aromatherapy Accessories, Information and more! > Visit us at: <http://www.naturesgift.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Interesting. Why wasn't this mentioned back in December when we were on this preservatives topic then? More importantly perhaps, why isn't silver being used more often in commercial products? <laugh> This information really inspires me to continue working on creating the products I want to see with ingredients I'm comfortable with, despite folks who claim there's no way to avoid synthetic chemicals. >I saw colloidal silver at a cosmetics trade exhibition in London around >10 years ago. I was VERY impressed with it. Main reason was because >the levels you needed to ensure preservation were way below those you >had to use with chemical preservatives. Apparently it's not difficult for any of us to make colloidal silver... so even though the economies of scale thing is a problem for lots of stuff, it may not be for silver > I guess though we will have >the same problem as with many excellent cosmetic trade products, and >that is the big suppliers will often not sell small volumes. Thanks Martin! You're a gem. Best, Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 people have been pushing Colloidal Silver for use in sick people for a long time now. I saw a segment on 20/20 where people were ingesting this stuff because they were told it would " cure " their arthritis and other things. All it did was make them look sickly and " silver " !!! It literally made their skin turn silver!! I had someone come into my groups chat room trying to push this stuff on us and I threw his butt out!! Veronica Davidson http://www.veronicaslavishlathers.com http://www.friendswithms.com - Joshua Alexander Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:58 AM Re:preservation Interesting. Why wasn't this mentioned back in December when we were on this preservatives topic then? More importantly perhaps, why isn't silver being used more often in commercial products? <laugh> This information really inspires me to continue working on creating the products I want to see with ingredients I'm comfortable with, despite folks who claim there's no way to avoid synthetic chemicals. >I saw colloidal silver at a cosmetics trade exhibition in London around >10 years ago. I was VERY impressed with it. Main reason was because >the levels you needed to ensure preservation were way below those you >had to use with chemical preservatives. Apparently it's not difficult for any of us to make colloidal silver... so even though the economies of scale thing is a problem for lots of stuff, it may not be for silver > I guess though we will have >the same problem as with many excellent cosmetic trade products, and >that is the big suppliers will often not sell small volumes. Thanks Martin! You're a gem. Best, Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Hi Veronica, The colloidal silver (like a good many other things) must be taken with respect as to what is a safe dose and not just carelessly abused. It can be helpful, but too much can be harmful (and in this case, since it supposed to be used in such small amounts a little can be just a little too much). That silver, blue skin condition you described is known as " Argyria " . It is caused by the ingestion of too much elemental silver. Folks really have to be careful out there and unfortunately many don't look enough into what they are dealing with. Common sense says that we should always make sure there is water in the pool before jumping head first into it ... but there are plenty of folks who never bother looking I must say though, I am quite interested in the colloidal silver as a preservative thing ... any research that I can be directed to on this one? *Smile* Chris (list mom) http://www.alittleolfactory.com On Behalf Of Veronica Davidson people have been pushing Colloidal Silver for use in sick people for a long time now. I saw a segment on 20/20 where people were ingesting this stuff because they were told it would " cure " their arthritis and other things. All it did was make them look sickly and " silver " !!! It literally made their skin turn silver!! I had someone come into my groups chat room trying to push this stuff on us and I threw his butt out!! Veronica Davidson http://www.veronicaslavishlathers.com http://www.friendswithms.com - Joshua Alexander Interesting. Why wasn't this mentioned back in December when we were on this preservatives topic then? More importantly perhaps, why isn't silver being used more often in commercial products? <laugh> This information really inspires me to continue working on creating the products I want to see with ingredients I'm comfortable with, despite folks who claim there's no way to avoid synthetic chemicals. >I saw colloidal silver at a cosmetics trade exhibition in London around >10 years ago. I was VERY impressed with it. Main reason was because >the levels you needed to ensure preservation were way below those you >had to use with chemical preservatives. Apparently it's not difficult for any of us to make colloidal silver... so even though the economies of scale thing is a problem for lots of stuff, it may not be for silver > I guess though we will have >the same problem as with many excellent cosmetic trade products, and >that is the big suppliers will often not sell small volumes. Thanks Martin! You're a gem. Best, Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Chris, here's the link I read: http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm It's by a guy who sells silver generators, but he gives the names of his info sources, so those could be tracked down for verification. Personally, I'm not ready to dismiss Grapefruit Seed Extract as well. >I must say though, I am quite interested in the colloidal silver as a >preservative thing ... any research that I can be directed to on this >one? -Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Hi Chris, >I must say though, I am quite interested in the colloidal silver as a >preservative thing ... any research that I can be directed to on this >one? I don't know of any offhand for preservation, but I was recently searching for info on colloidal silver for acne treatment. My MIL gave my 16 (today) year old some to spray on the zits and it has helped I must say. So... while searching this out it does talk about the colloidal silver being quite antibacterial. If you find out any more specifics, let us know! Margaret (who's off to celebrate her eldest son's " sweet 16 " ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Happy B-day to your eldest man cub! *Smile* Chris (list mom) http://www.alittleolfactory.com On Behalf Of Margaret Helm-Duell Hi Chris, >I must say though, I am quite interested in the colloidal silver as a >preservative thing ... any research that I can be directed to on this >one? I don't know of any offhand for preservation, but I was recently searching for info on colloidal silver for acne treatment. My MIL gave my 16 (today) year old some to spray on the zits and it has helped I must say. So... while searching this out it does talk about the colloidal silver being quite antibacterial. If you find out any more specifics, let us know! Margaret (who's off to celebrate her eldest son's " sweet 16 " ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Hi there, >problem with GSE is that, through research, it was found that the thing >that was REALLY working as the preservative wasn't so much the >grapefruit seed components themselves, but the stuff the grapefruit >seeds were preserved with before they were made into the extract Yes, I've seen that idea mentioned on this list, and the info hasn't been resolved enough for me... not what I've come across anyway. If anyone has any damning evidence, please share links or citations. Best, Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Google is my friend--took about a minute to find this: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/archives/Best/2000/gse.html HTH, Serra On 7/10/05, Joshua Alexander <listservs wrote: > Hi there, > > >problem with GSE is that, through research, it was found that the thing > >that was REALLY working as the preservative wasn't so much the > >grapefruit seed components themselves, but the stuff the grapefruit > >seeds were preserved with before they were made into the extract > > Yes, I've seen that idea mentioned on this list, and the info hasn't > been resolved enough for me... not what I've come across anyway. If > anyone has any damning evidence, please share links or citations. > > Best, > Josh -- Now accepting hand-knit 100% cotton washcloth orders! See them at: http://scentedstuff.blogspot.com http://stores.ebay.com/SerrasSecretSurplus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 ok ... just to play devil's advocate, Google is my friend too (hee hee). Here is some interesting info about a specific GSE -- Citricidal brand which I've heard from a couple sources is the real deal. The manufacturer claims to test each and every batch of Citricidal to NOT have any of the preservatives or chemicals mentioned in these posts, yet Citricidal is still known to be an effective natural preservative. http://www.naturalingredient.org/GSE.htm i am not an expert on GSE or Citricidal or anything at all for that matter, and i didn't click through the reference links on above page as i'm trying to get ready for dinner. but thought i'd pass along what i've found out too. like anything else in the herbal world, i guess efficacy depends on the quality of the starting ingredients. ~B - " Serra " <serrathescented Google is my friend--took about a minute to find this: http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/archives/Best/2000/gse.html HTH, Serra -- Now accepting hand-knit 100% cotton washcloth orders! See them at: http://scentedstuff.blogspot.com http://stores.ebay.com/SerrasSecretSurplus On 7/10/05, Joshua Alexander <listservs wrote: > Hi there, > > >problem with GSE is that, through research, it was found that the thing > >that was REALLY working as the preservative wasn't so much the > >grapefruit seed components themselves, but the stuff the grapefruit > >seeds were preserved with before they were made into the extract > > Yes, I've seen that idea mentioned on this list, and the info hasn't > been resolved enough for me... not what I've come across anyway. If > anyone has any damning evidence, please share links or citations. > > Best, > Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Hi folks, >http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/archives/Best/2000/gse.html Yes, I found the same information on different sites. The maker of GSE has called the results into question (see http://www.gfex.com/citricidal.htm ). No one seems to have followed up from there. -Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2005 Report Share Posted July 11, 2005 Eek. Reading about how GSE is made, it's clear that it's a synthetic compound that only has its starting point in a natural ingredient... much like SLS derived from coconuts. http://www.naturallysafecleaning.com/Grapefruit%20Extract.htm Silver's lookin' better and better. -Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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