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At 05:07 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote:

 

>The room temp products are preserved with GSE and, interestingly

>enough, silver.

 

I've seen another supplier use colloidal silver as a preservative. Don't

know how effective it is.

 

 

 

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I saw colloidal silver at a cosmetics trade exhibition in London around

10 years ago. I was VERY impressed with it. Main reason was because

the levels you needed to ensure preservation were way below those you

had to use with chemical preservatives. I guess though we will have

the same problem as with many excellent cosmetic trade products, and

that is the big suppliers will often not sell small volumes. I have

seen plant extracts at some of these shows that would be ideal for

herbalists or for aromatherapy, etc. but you just can't get hold of

them in small volumes.

 

Martin Watt

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, Marge Clark <marge@n...> wrote:

> At 05:07 AM 7/9/2005, you wrote:

>

> >The room temp products are preserved with GSE and, interestingly

> >enough, silver.

>

> I've seen another supplier use colloidal silver as a preservative.

Don't

> know how effective it is.

>

>

>

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Interesting. Why wasn't this mentioned back in December when we were

on this preservatives topic then?

 

More importantly perhaps, why isn't silver being used more often in

commercial products? <laugh>

 

This information really inspires me to continue working on creating

the products I want to see with ingredients I'm comfortable with,

despite folks who claim there's no way to avoid synthetic chemicals.

 

>I saw colloidal silver at a cosmetics trade exhibition in London around

>10 years ago. I was VERY impressed with it. Main reason was because

>the levels you needed to ensure preservation were way below those you

>had to use with chemical preservatives.

 

Apparently it's not difficult for any of us to make colloidal

silver... so even though the economies of scale thing is a problem

for lots of stuff, it may not be for silver :)

 

> I guess though we will have

>the same problem as with many excellent cosmetic trade products, and

>that is the big suppliers will often not sell small volumes.

 

Thanks Martin! You're a gem.

 

Best,

Josh

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people have been pushing Colloidal Silver for use in sick people for a long time

now. I saw a segment on 20/20 where people were ingesting this stuff because

they were told it would " cure " their arthritis and other things. All it did was

make them look sickly and " silver " !!! It literally made their skin turn

silver!!

I had someone come into my groups chat room trying to push this stuff on us

and I threw his butt out!!

Veronica Davidson

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http://www.friendswithms.com

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Joshua Alexander

Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:58 AM

Re:preservation

 

 

Interesting. Why wasn't this mentioned back in December when we were

on this preservatives topic then?

 

More importantly perhaps, why isn't silver being used more often in

commercial products? <laugh>

 

This information really inspires me to continue working on creating

the products I want to see with ingredients I'm comfortable with,

despite folks who claim there's no way to avoid synthetic chemicals.

 

>I saw colloidal silver at a cosmetics trade exhibition in London around

>10 years ago. I was VERY impressed with it. Main reason was because

>the levels you needed to ensure preservation were way below those you

>had to use with chemical preservatives.

 

Apparently it's not difficult for any of us to make colloidal

silver... so even though the economies of scale thing is a problem

for lots of stuff, it may not be for silver :)

 

> I guess though we will have

>the same problem as with many excellent cosmetic trade products, and

>that is the big suppliers will often not sell small volumes.

 

Thanks Martin! You're a gem.

 

Best,

Josh

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Hi Veronica,

 

The colloidal silver (like a good many other things) must be taken with

respect as to what is a safe dose and not just carelessly abused. It can

be helpful, but too much can be harmful (and in this case, since it

supposed to be used in such small amounts a little can be just a little

too much).

 

That silver, blue skin condition you described is known as " Argyria " . It

is caused by the ingestion of too much elemental silver.

 

Folks really have to be careful out there and unfortunately many don't

look enough into what they are dealing with.

 

Common sense says that we should always make sure there is water in the

pool before jumping head first into it ... but there are plenty of folks

who never bother looking ;)

 

I must say though, I am quite interested in the colloidal silver as a

preservative thing ... any research that I can be directed to on this

one?

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Veronica Davidson

 

 

people have been pushing Colloidal Silver for use in sick people for a

long time now. I saw a segment on 20/20 where people were ingesting

this stuff because they were told it would " cure " their arthritis and

other things. All it did was make them look sickly and " silver " !!! It

literally made their skin turn silver!!

I had someone come into my groups chat room trying to push this stuff

on us and I threw his butt out!!

Veronica Davidson

http://www.veronicaslavishlathers.com

http://www.friendswithms.com

 

-

Joshua Alexander

 

Interesting. Why wasn't this mentioned back in December when we were

on this preservatives topic then?

 

More importantly perhaps, why isn't silver being used more often in

commercial products? <laugh>

 

This information really inspires me to continue working on creating

the products I want to see with ingredients I'm comfortable with,

despite folks who claim there's no way to avoid synthetic chemicals.

 

>I saw colloidal silver at a cosmetics trade exhibition in London

around

>10 years ago. I was VERY impressed with it. Main reason was because

>the levels you needed to ensure preservation were way below those you

>had to use with chemical preservatives.

 

Apparently it's not difficult for any of us to make colloidal

silver... so even though the economies of scale thing is a problem

for lots of stuff, it may not be for silver :)

 

> I guess though we will have

>the same problem as with many excellent cosmetic trade products, and

>that is the big suppliers will often not sell small volumes.

 

Thanks Martin! You're a gem.

 

Best,

Josh

 

 

 

 

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Chris, here's the link I read: http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm

 

It's by a guy who sells silver generators, but he gives the names of

his info sources, so those could be tracked down for verification.

 

Personally, I'm not ready to dismiss Grapefruit Seed Extract as well.

 

>I must say though, I am quite interested in the colloidal silver as a

>preservative thing ... any research that I can be directed to on this

>one?

 

-Josh

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Hi Chris,

 

>I must say though, I am quite interested in the colloidal silver as a

>preservative thing ... any research that I can be directed to on this

>one?

 

I don't know of any offhand for preservation, but I was recently searching

for info on colloidal silver for acne treatment. My MIL gave my 16 (today)

year old some to spray on the zits and it has helped I must say. So...

while searching this out it does talk about the colloidal silver being quite

antibacterial.

 

If you find out any more specifics, let us know!

 

:) Margaret (who's off to celebrate her eldest son's " sweet 16 " )

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Happy B-day to your eldest man cub!

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Margaret Helm-Duell

 

 

Hi Chris,

 

>I must say though, I am quite interested in the colloidal silver as a

>preservative thing ... any research that I can be directed to on this

>one?

 

I don't know of any offhand for preservation, but I was recently

searching

for info on colloidal silver for acne treatment. My MIL gave my 16

(today)

year old some to spray on the zits and it has helped I must say. So...

while searching this out it does talk about the colloidal silver being

quite

antibacterial.

 

If you find out any more specifics, let us know!

 

:) Margaret (who's off to celebrate her eldest son's " sweet 16 " )

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi there,

 

>problem with GSE is that, through research, it was found that the thing

>that was REALLY working as the preservative wasn't so much the

>grapefruit seed components themselves, but the stuff the grapefruit

>seeds were preserved with before they were made into the extract :(

 

Yes, I've seen that idea mentioned on this list, and the info hasn't

been resolved enough for me... not what I've come across anyway. If

anyone has any damning evidence, please share links or citations.

 

Best,

Josh

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Google is my friend--took about a minute to find this:

 

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/archives/Best/2000/gse.html

 

HTH,

Serra

 

 

On 7/10/05, Joshua Alexander <listservs wrote:

> Hi there,

>

> >problem with GSE is that, through research, it was found that the thing

> >that was REALLY working as the preservative wasn't so much the

> >grapefruit seed components themselves, but the stuff the grapefruit

> >seeds were preserved with before they were made into the extract :(

>

> Yes, I've seen that idea mentioned on this list, and the info hasn't

> been resolved enough for me... not what I've come across anyway. If

> anyone has any damning evidence, please share links or citations.

>

> Best,

> Josh

 

 

 

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ok ... just to play devil's advocate, Google is my friend too (hee hee).

Here is some interesting info about a specific GSE -- Citricidal brand which

I've heard from a couple sources is the real deal. The manufacturer claims

to test each and every batch of Citricidal to NOT have any of the

preservatives or chemicals mentioned in these posts, yet Citricidal is still

known to be an effective natural preservative.

 

http://www.naturalingredient.org/GSE.htm

 

i am not an expert on GSE or Citricidal or anything at all for that matter,

and i didn't click through the reference links on above page as i'm trying

to get ready for dinner. but thought i'd pass along what i've found out too.

like anything else in the herbal world, i guess efficacy depends on the

quality of the starting ingredients.

 

~B

 

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" Serra " <serrathescented

Google is my friend--took about a minute to find this:

 

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/archives/Best/2000/gse.html

 

HTH,

Serra

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Now accepting hand-knit 100% cotton washcloth orders!

See them at:

http://scentedstuff.blogspot.com

 

http://stores.ebay.com/SerrasSecretSurplus

 

 

 

On 7/10/05, Joshua Alexander <listservs wrote:

> Hi there,

>

> >problem with GSE is that, through research, it was found that the thing

> >that was REALLY working as the preservative wasn't so much the

> >grapefruit seed components themselves, but the stuff the grapefruit

> >seeds were preserved with before they were made into the extract :(

>

> Yes, I've seen that idea mentioned on this list, and the info hasn't

> been resolved enough for me... not what I've come across anyway. If

> anyone has any damning evidence, please share links or citations.

>

> Best,

> Josh

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