Neat oils, YL

[Guest guest]

hey Linda

 

We often forget that people new to Aromatherapy and the use of Essential

Oils don't understand our short hand...

 

Neat Essential oils are oils that are used straight out of the bottle

without dilution. In other words put in some sort of a carrier, such as

olive oil, milk etc. It is never a good idea to use oils straight on the

body without dilution due to irritation factors (ie breaking out in rashes

and burns) and sensitivity issues ( the possibility of becoming allergic to

the oils).

 

As for what's wrong with Young Living oils... It's not the oils in and of

themselves, although they are often of dubious quality. It's the company.

It's owned and run by a lying scumbag of a con artist and it is his policy

and his company's policy to give either incorrect information or no

information at all. It's the lying, incorrect, self serving information

that most people who object to Young Living take issue with.

 

I hope that helps. Please post any other questions that you have. There are

others who are too shy to post theirs ;-)

 

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The Woobey Queen

The Warming Touch, Therapeutic Pillows

http://www.woobeyworld.com

 

 

>

> Hi...I am new and confused and puzzled by everyone's language here.

> What is a neat EO? What is wrong with Young Living oils? I try my best

to

> decipher what you guys are talking about but sometimes it is like reading

Latin

> and Lord knows I can't do that either.....:-)

>

> Linda

>

[Guest guest]

Ahhhhhhhhh, thank you Queen Kathleen....that does clear up some of the

questions I had. I'm sure I'll be asking more in the future...what better way

to

learn, right? :-)

 

Linda

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

Where would we go to find these types of essential oils to use? I know I do

not want to purchase from YL. I have a friend who was thinking about

purchasing from them and I told her not to because of the person who runs

the outfit. She asked me if there were a better place to get them, I told

her I would find out.

Thank you so much for your help.

Karen S.

 

-

" Woobey Queen " <WoobeyQueen

 

Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:15 PM

Neat oils, YL

 

 

>

> As for what's wrong with Young Living oils... It's not the oils in and of

> themselves, although they are often of dubious quality. It's the company.

> It's owned and run by a lying scumbag of a con artist and it is his policy

> and his company's policy to give either incorrect information or no

> information at all. It's the lying, incorrect, self serving information

> that most people who object to Young Living take issue with.

[Guest guest]

Kathleen,

Also, another question, I was given a tape to listen to about the effects

of depression medicines. The first part of the tape mentioned YL oils, then

went on to talk about the ill effects of the meds and some facts that have

been proven about them. Then the end of the tape talked about using YL EO's

instead to help with feelings of well being and mind clarity. I am

wondering if you or anyone else would have heard this tape and if you feel

it is hogwash just to have people use YL's oils instead? What are your

thoughts or feelings on this? The tape was given to me by the same friend

who was wanting to purchase the oils from YL.

Thanks again,

Karen S.

 

-

" Woobey Queen " <WoobeyQueen

 

Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:15 PM

Neat oils, YL

 

> As for what's wrong with Young Living oils... It's not the oils in and of

> themselves, although they are often of dubious quality. It's the company.

> It's owned and run by a lying scumbag of a con artist and it is his policy

> and his company's policy to give either incorrect information or no

> information at all. It's the lying, incorrect, self serving information

> that most people who object to Young Living take issue with.

[Guest guest]

Hi Karen,

 

Not Kathleen here, but I can tell you there are definitely suppliers out

there whose oils are just as good as those sold by YL, if not better and

at more realistic prices. Moreover, they have higher standards in terms

of business ethics and scruples! Some of them are even members of this

list (and one is the owner of this list

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

 

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

 

 

Karen [kah]

 

 

Kathleen,

Where would we go to find these types of essential oils to use? I know

I do

not want to purchase from YL. I have a friend who was thinking about

purchasing from them and I told her not to because of the person who

runs

the outfit. She asked me if there were a better place to get them, I

told

her I would find out.

Thank you so much for your help.

Karen S.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " Karen " <kah@m...> wrote:

> Kathleen,

> Also, another question, I was given a tape to listen to about the

effects

> of depression medicines. The first part of the tape mentioned YL

oils, then

> went on to talk about the ill effects of the meds and some facts

that have

> been proven about them. Then the end of the tape talked about

using YL EO's

> instead to help with feelings of well being and mind clarity.

 

Suggesting to people that they use EO opposed to taking anti-

depressants and suggesting that EO by themselves to combat their

condition is dangerous territory and absolute crap. What caught me

was when you said to use YL EO " instead " so that led me to believe

that they were suggesting that ONLY EO would help the problem. EO

can HELP, but if you are seriously depressed, having a nervous

breakdown and so on, they are not by themselves going to combat your

problem. You need a combination of other therapies to help with the

problem such as talking with a therapist, perhaps talking with a

doctor and nutritionalist and find out if perhaps there is a vitamin

deficiency or certain foods that need to be eliminated from your diet

that may be causing the chemical imbalance, something that happens a

lot to people as they age. I have had to eliminate a number of foods

from my diet that was triggering me. Using other therapies such as

Reiki can help also.

 

I know with myself it was a combination of different therapies that

helped my condition. I usually don't buy into these types of hype

without investigating the company first, especially if they cost a

lot of money. I saw YL at first and was intrigued, but it was only

after spending a good deal of time surfing the Internet did I come

across what they were really about and knowing how much EO are

supposed to cost I refused to pay the high prices and felt that their

high prices was due to their MLM status of paying people their

commissions.

 

That's just my take.

 

Michele

[Guest guest]

Karen,

 

I had heard Butch and Christine's oils recommended

by a friend whose judgment I value long before I joined

this list.

Why not order right here?

 

If your friend wants good oils and wants to

keep going in the MLM game,* she might want

to check out Health Quest International.

 

It was set up by someone who was with Young

Living for 10 years, got disgruntled, went over

to Neways to set up their EO program, and finally

went into business for himself.

 

I have no personal interest in this one but would

be glad to connect you with my friend who does

them. She ran away from YLEO too.

 

I understand Paul Dean's oils are both cheaper and better than Gary Young's, and

he doesn't play big ego

games. He gave me an hour of his time once and

I got a very good feeling of integrity from him.

 

If you or your friend ends up ordering, use Anna Bond

as your referral. That is the friend who told me about it.

I have no desire to get too deeply involved there but

it is always fun to create connections.

 

*Footnote:

MLM is not everybody's cup of tea, but I love it.

There is no way I could afford tossing back the

piles of Amazon goodies I love if I didn't get

paid to share them.

 

Ien in the Kootenays

****************************

" To treat life as less than a miracle

is to give up on it. "

~Wendell Berry

Rainforest Miracles:

http://wildhealing.net

****************************

 

 

[Guest guest]

I thought it was the outrageous prices and claims that his

oils could actually heal the sick and raise the dead.... ;-)

oh, I guess you covered that with " lying scumbag " ..... and

" con artist " ..... ;-)

 

I do have to thank YL for introducing me to essential oils.

That's about it.

He changed several formulas to have more cheaper oils, such

as Panaway, which used to be more heli and now is more

wintergreen and peppermint. It used to work pretty good, now

it doesn't. I got my money back on the last bottle and

sought oils elsewhere after that.

He also changed Thieves, which used to be more cinnamon and

now is more cloves.

That irritated me, along with the prices and the " bow to our

god " GY crap.

He uses emotions and miraculous stories to get people

involved. I especially remember the one about the horse

attacked by a cougar, and it ripped a basketball sized piece

of flesh from the rump of the horse. The artery was spurting

blood. GY took Heli neat and injected it into the artery and

it stopped the bleeding and the horse healed so well that

one of his workers, asked to bring in the horse, couldn't

tell it from its brother horse as they both were so much

alike and the horse had actually regrown flesh, skin and

hair....ok, ok, give me some of the heli!!! LOL I'll take

all you got! S-ch-nake oil! I wonder if the worker was blind

or what???

 

Kat

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[Guest guest]

Hey Chris,

Thank you so much. Please forgive my DUH! moment! They are getting more

and more!

Hugs,

Karen S.

 

-

" Christine Ziegler " <chrisziggy

 

Friday, March 11, 2005 9:45 AM

RE: Neat oils, YL

 

 

>

> Hi Karen,

>

> Not Kathleen here, but I can tell you there are definitely suppliers out

> there whose oils are just as good as those sold by YL, if not better and

> at more realistic prices. Moreover, they have higher standards in terms

> of business ethics and scruples! Some of them are even members of this

> list (and one is the owner of this list

>

> *Smile*

> Chris (list mom)

[Guest guest]

Ien,

Thank you so much for the info. And, yes, I totally had a mental fog when I

posted the question. I have ordered from Butch and Christine myself. Talk

about some real DUH moments. I had listened to the tape from YL on why not

to use anti-depressants and to use YL oils instead and it had me pretty

shook up.

Thanks again,

Karen S.

 

-

" Ieneke van Houten " <ienvan

 

Friday, March 11, 2005 12:33 PM

Re: Neat oils, YL

 

 

>

>

> Karen,

>

> I had heard Butch and Christine's oils recommended

> by a friend whose judgment I value long before I joined

> this list.

> Why not order right here?

[Guest guest]

Hey Karen,

 

Sorry I didn't answer sooner, but I saw that Chris and others did a good

job (if not better than I could) of answering your questions.

 

However, there is one thing I wanted to mention and that is Depression is

not the only thing that YL and it's groupies (polite word, wanted to say

idiotic, stupid, psycho-lunatic jackasses, but thought that might offend

someone ;-) ) tell you. They tell you that if you're not feeling well to

stay away from the doctors period. That the oils will replace any

medication you are on. That doctors only compound any " dis-ease " that you

might have. Basically Doctors are ignorant and the enemy of mankind. If you

don't believe me, join the " Joy-list " (got to have a distributors number

but you can get one very easily) and read the garbage they spout. It's

quite nauseating.

 

Now don't get me wrong. I'm a firm believer in eo's and their ability to

aid in health. I rarely go to the ole doc myself, usually only pop in to

deal with broken arms, busted heads and to drop babies. However if there

were something REALLY wrong, yes I'd be in there in a flash. For example, I

don't think oils are going to " cure " my gallstones and one of these days

I'll prolly have to go in and have that sucker removed. Oils don't do

anything for me migraines and I take OTC crap to alleviate them and when

the kids are ill or in pain, I will give them tylenol or motrin to reduce

the fevor and pain.

 

The thing is, EO's are COMPLIMENTARY to one's health, not the be all and

end all. This is what the YL " crowd " has convienently forgotten, due in

main to their snake oil, lying SOB conman of an owner.

 

I'm not a fan of MLM's to begin with, but I REALLY don't like the YL crowd.

Their oils, I don't care one way or another about. They charge 3x what the

average retailer does, won't tell you where they came from, what their

botanical name is, if they've been messed about with in any way and no way

in HELL are you ever going to get a GC out of them.... but >shrug< whether

or not you choose to use them... that's up to you. I know there are folk

who swear by them... but if they were willing to open their eyes and minds

a bit, they'd find that other oils work just as well (if not better) and

will save them a WHOLE lotta money.

 

Done... going to try and catch up on 1500 more posts.

 

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The Woobey Queen

The Warming Touch, Therapeutic Pillows

http://www.woobeyworld.com

 

 

> [Original Message]

> Karen <kah

>

> 3/12/2005 12:00:30 AM

> Re: Neat oils, YL

>

>

> Ien,

> Thank you so much for the info. And, yes, I totally had a mental fog

when I

> posted the question. I have ordered from Butch and Christine myself.

Talk

> about some real DUH moments. I had listened to the tape from YL on why

not

> to use anti-depressants and to use YL oils instead and it had me pretty

> shook up.

> Thanks again,

> Karen S.

>

> -

> " Ieneke van Houten " <ienvan

>

> Friday, March 11, 2005 12:33 PM

> Re: Neat oils, YL

>

>

> >

> >

> > Karen,

> >

> > I had heard Butch and Christine's oils recommended

> > by a friend whose judgment I value long before I joined

> > this list.

> > Why not order right here?

>

>

>

>

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