Some of us might want to read this

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, " Ieneke van Houten "

<ienvan@t...> wrote:

> Writing and researching some stuff on ADHD

> took me to Thom Hartmann's website.

> I could spend a week there just reading.

>

> Thom has some interesting ideas about what

> he calls " the Edison gene " .

> His idea is that ADHD people are more like hunters,

> and they are being forced to behave like farmers.

 

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> Ien in the Kootenays

> *********************************

 

 

Ien,

 

I am hoping that you do not take my post as a reply to you. I am just

voicing my disagreement with the psychiatric labels.

 

I think that people who get into such esoteric terms, or 'deep

thinking' regarding the psychiatric labels that are being tossed

around like candy couldn't be more off the mark and out in left field.

 

This group that talks about scientific research and how important it

is in making decisions.... Good gravy people.... I would love to have

anyone point me in the direction of actual scientific research done

that PROVES this gobbedly gook as scientific fact! Do you know that

these labels were *voted* into being and the " criterion " for

determining these so-called illness just arbitrarily decided upon??!!

Where was the scientific research proving these labels? Where is the

scientific study in this area that brought these labels into being,

and into being accepted as scientific fact? Sorry... you won't find any.

 

The simple facts of the matter are this... it is pure hogwash and

those who allow their children (or themselves) to be drugged with the

harmful crap being passed around under these 'labels' will pay the

price. They are dangerous drugs.

 

Next, the drug companies are what we call them. Profit seekers who do

not care one whit about the harm that they cause with their drugs.

They hide it, they lie about it... just the same as their medical drugs.

 

I do not see any need to 'figure out the thinking behind the labels'.

I do not think that there one can figure out the logic in something

that has no logic.

 

I am passionate about the subject.

 

I have an Aunt whose life is forever ruined... it was not before she

started seeing a shrink and taking the first of many harmful drugs.

 

I have 2 brothers on them. One is lost to everyone now... I do not

see that he will ever pull himself out of the dark hole that he is in

now. My other brother is now getting into organic foods, natural

medicines and looking at what it will take to get off the ones he is

on. And these aren't the only people that I know on them...

 

Not a pretty subject or any happy stories (I can hope that my one

brother's story ends happily).

 

Andrea

[Guest guest]

Andrea,

Just out of curiosity - what are the harmful drugs you are talking

about?? From the topic in Iens post, I assume that one of them is

Retalina, used for some of the more severe cases of " letter

diagnosed " kids. I have no personal experiences, but from what I have

read in some articles here, the parents of these kids are more than

relieved that these drugs exists. As well are the kids, that finaly

have found some peace and quiet and can function within the society

again.

 

Secondly, I assume that the meds destroying you realtives lifes are

anitdepressants?? Well, here I can say from a very personal point of

view, that to some of us,they are lifesavers. Oh yeahh, I truly truly

mean it. Som eof us are actually born with a seretonin deficiensy

(sp??) and have had lifelong issues due to it. Me, I got on Zoloft

1,5 years ago and it made such a difference in my life and my way of

functioning, that you wouldn't believe it. I have absolutely no bad

sideeffects from it and I can't imagine living without them. They do

NOT tunr me into someone else, no happy pills, just great little

things that adds enough seretonium for me to function like any noraml

person :-D

 

Generalizing is bad, no matter what is discussed. Every single people

on this planet is unique and act and react differently.

 

Fragrant Blessings,

Ylva

[Guest guest]

Ylva...

 

What 'test' was done/performed that measured your 'low' seratonin levels?

 

Andrea

[Guest guest]

I feel the urge to jump in here. I agree that there is no medical " proof " that

ADD is a real disease. Here is my story. My son has been diagnosed with ADD.

I also have a brother and nephew who have ADHD. I have lived with this all of

my life. My brother can't sit still, can't write clearly, and has trouble

staying anywhere for any length of time. My son has trouble staying on task and

you can't give him more than 2 directions at a time because he will always

forget to do the one in the middle. The teachers in his school felt that

medication wasn't the way to go with him and yet there were kids in his class

that couldn't stay seated, threatened other children and some just created

chaos. When my sons brain gets overloaded he just sits quietly and doesn't

bother a soul. This isn't real easy to learn and retain information this way.

He takes Concerta every day and now most people don't even know there is a

problem unless he forgets to take his medicine. Before the medicine he couldn't

complete simple tasks because he would get side-tracked. I really don't like

the idea that he has to take this medicine to maintain a normal life but he

really won't be able to function well in this world without it. By the way my

son is now 18 and has held a job for 3 years and will be graduating with an A

average in June. Kathy in Ohio

 

 

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ruby_mama2001

 

1/26/2005 3:33:25 AM

Re: Some of us might want to read this

 

 

 

Andrea,

Just out of curiosity - what are the harmful drugs you are talking

about?? From the topic in Iens post, I assume that one of them is

Retalina, used for some of the more severe cases of " letter

diagnosed " kids. I have no personal experiences, but from what I have

read in some articles here, the parents of these kids are more than

relieved that these drugs exists. As well are the kids, that finaly

have found some peace and quiet and can function within the society

again.

 

Secondly, I assume that the meds destroying you realtives lifes are

anitdepressants?? Well, here I can say from a very personal point of

view, that to some of us,they are lifesavers. Oh yeahh, I truly truly

mean it. Som eof us are actually born with a seretonin deficiensy

(sp??) and have had lifelong issues due to it. Me, I got on Zoloft

1,5 years ago and it made such a difference in my life and my way of

functioning, that you wouldn't believe it. I have absolutely no bad

sideeffects from it and I can't imagine living without them. They do

NOT tunr me into someone else, no happy pills, just great little

things that adds enough seretonium for me to function like any noraml

person :-D

 

Generalizing is bad, no matter what is discussed. Every single people

on this planet is unique and act and react differently.

 

Fragrant Blessings,

Ylva

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

FWIW, I just wanted to tell my daughter's story. She was diagnosed ADHD by

the age of 3. They put her on the medication when she was about 4 1/2. To

begin with, it was Ritalin. It seemed to help some, but not completely. By

the time she was 6, we'd gone through 2 other medications, and they all

seemed to make her worse, not better.

 

She would easily get sidetracked....unless it was something she truly wanted

to do. Puzzles that would take an adult several weeks to work, she could

have completely done in a matter of 3 hours. I kid you not. She'd also

stay on task if she was drawing, or coloring.

 

When she started 1st grade....it wasn't long until the teacher was yelling,

wanting her back on medication. I told her absolutely not. If she was

having problems with her, to call me, and I would come to the school to

assist in controlling her, but under no circumstances would I 'drug' her any

longer.

 

We closely monitored what she was eating, how much exercise she was

getting....a little bit of everything. We found she was getting bored in

school, because she was so much more advanced than the other students, and

when she wasn't being challenged, she'd really act out. The teachers

quickly learned to give her work that was a bit more advanced, and she

tended to stay on task better. No excessive sugar in her diet....otherwise,

she'd get a bit hyper. Giving her a small amount of coffee or tea tended to

calm her down. (The caffeine I suppose worked in the 'opposite' way for

her) As long as she stayed really active during the daytime, she slept

better at night, somewhat breaking the cruel cycle, because the more tired

she was, the more she ran around, trying to stay awake.

 

She also seems to be a bit sensitive to FD & C Red dyes. When we cut out

anything that was artificially colored, things got even better.

 

She is now 12 years old, and she has absolutely no signs of ADHD. She is a

straight 'A' student, rarely gets sick, and acts like a normal 'teen'.

She's actually going through a 'lazy' phase.

 

Don't get me wrong....I am NOT knocking those that use the

medication....sometimes when that's your only option, you do what you have

to do. I did. I had to. I wanted her to have a normal life, instead of

going through on fast forward, and not knowing what was truly going on

around her. However, I think if more folks would at least try other

avenues, they might be pleasantly surprised.

 

My cousin had similar problems when he was growing up....only they didn't

diagnose him ADD or ADHD....I think it was way before they even 'named' the

problem. He too had food sensitivities, and when they cut out those foods,

he calmed right down, and was able to focus.

 

It's worth looking into. Sometimes it takes quite a while to figure out

what is causing the problems. Sometimes you can't find it.....and in those

cases, medication may well be called for.

 

Just my poor 2 little cents, hope it might help someone!

Candy

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I just want to through my 2 cents in here. When I was a child, MANY people

thought I had some hyperactivity disorder - before they called it ADD.

Kindergarten was an absolute nightmare for me and my parents. My mom got

phone calls at least once a week. First and Forth grades were the best

because my teachers realized that not every child has the same brain. I was

really advanced in school and got bored easily. With bored comes trouble of

course. I was never put on any medication and I now thank my parents for

that. I am 30 now and was on anxiety meds a few years ago for a few months.

I went on them to help me sleep. My brain just goes and goes - never stops.

I didn't like being on the meds so I went off. I sleep better now, but

nothing like most people. I wouldn't take the other drugs suggested even if

they were free and someone paid me. I know too many people who were on meds

and it really screwed them up. So for your child, I thank you for not

drugging them and actually participating in their life. That's a rare thing

nowadays which is really sad because the children suffer in the end. One day

when your daughter in older she will really appreciate everything you have

done for her. When she's going through those crazy teen years, remember she

will grow out of it. I hated my mother then. I am her best friend now.

 

 

 

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When she started 1st grade....it wasn't long until the teacher was yelling,

wanting her back on medication. I told her absolutely not. If she was

having problems with her, to call me, and I would come to the school to

assist in controlling her, but under no circumstances would I 'drug' her any

 

longer.