Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 This formula on that web site contains: 10 drops of Moroccan rose absolute. This is a very crude rose extract and will contain traces of petro chemical solvents that are not advisable for internal use. On the skin fine, but internally? 13 drops of Ginger oil. This oil is a weak food flavouring and it would be far better to use a home made ginger tincture, fresh or dried ginger. The volumes of oils suggested by these authors are preposterous. I would suspect they do not have the first clue on safety issues or much knowledge on natural food flavourings. The link for supplies is to a perfumer (mandy aftel), who is selling costus absolute. That substance is recommended by RIFM as " not to be used " in cosmetic formulas by all respectable cosmetics and perfume houses. That alone indicates they ignore or are unaware of the safety guidance provided by real trade experts. Gets back to what I keep telling people: You really must not believe everything you read in popular books, or on web sites. Most big publishers care about nothing other than making money to sustain their empires. Martin Watt , " TaMara " <advocare1210> wrote: > > > I thought this was interesting and wanted to pass it along, recipes > with essential oils. > http://splendidtable.publicradio.org/recipes/dessert_rosegingersouffle > .shtml > > TaMara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 I do hope this is not out of line but I emailed Mandy Aftel, one of the books authors, with the response that was given because I am so new to the area of herbs/EO's/cooking w/EO's, that I was confused. Below is the email I just received from her, its helps somewhat but of course I will keep up my reading and researching. TH ~.~.~.~ Dear TaMara I sent your email to my co-author Daniel Patterson and below is his Response to what was said about it in your discussion group. I hope that this will help clarify things. Sincerely, Mandy Aftel 1) The rose absolute, like all absolutes, are extracted with a very pure, high-grade chemical called hexane. The resulting essence is a natural product, distilled from a natural ingredient. It is on the FDA GRAS (generally recognized as safe) list, as is every essence used in the food recipes in the book. That means that the FDA has ruled that it is safe to ingest. As to the use of food grade chemicals in commercially produced foods, one only has to walk down the aisles of any supermarket and read the ingredients of the products to find far more dangerous coloring and flavoring agents. 2) There is no way to make a ³home made ginger tincture² that would come close to the intensity and purity of flavor and aroma in the fresh ginger essential oil. It is actually a very strong oil, so perhaps the writer of the comments has only had experience with inferior oils. 3) We did extensive research as to the safety of essential oils. Publishers are a careful lot, and everything was reviewed by a lawyer. I have personally tried every recipe in the book at least twice, and the ratios are correct. I have been using essential oils in my restaurants since 2002, and have served perhaps 40,000 meals since then, of which most people have at least one dish, and usually more, using essential oils, without any problems whatsoever. It is a cavalier accusation that is unfounded in reality. 4) The last bit is laughable. The writer sounds somewhat like a 60¹s refugee railing against ³The Man². Artisan is a small publishing house who took a chance on an interesting idea that is not at all mainstream. They will probably not make any money on the book, which is a high-end, small market concept. To lump them in with the profit- at-any-expense approach of ³Corporate America² is disingenuous, to say the least. And on a personal level, I find this kind of negative, accusatory rant to be counterproductive, and not at all conducive to constructive dialogue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 That reminds me! My friend Menkit actually wrote an essential oils cookbook. http://essentialoilscookbook.com Ien in the Kootenays **************************** I can finish my own sentences again! muddled **************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 that link was wrong, it is http://essentialoilcookbook.com No s Ien in the Kootenays ******************************* Stop. Breathe. Smile! ~Padma ( my TV yoga teacher) See my smiling face: http://www.greatestnetworker.com/is/ien ******************************* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 My reply to the authors comments: >like all absolutes, are extracted with a< >very pure, high-grade chemical called hexane.< Clearly indicates a lack of knowledge of the production of absolutes as not all are extracted using hexane. >The resulting essence is a natural product, distilled from a< >natural ingredient.< As above, this author has no idea on essential oil production. An absolute is NOT an essence, neither is an absolute " distilled " , only an oil is distilled from the absolute or more commonly direct from the concrete. Secondly, hexane is a petro chemical solvent which is against all principles of natural therapy or cooking with so called 'natural extracts'. >It is on the FDA GRAS (generally recognized as safe) list,< Sure, but that list is applicable to **the average volumes of use within the food flavoring trades**. The levels suggested by these authors are way above those levels. The average level of use reported in the food flavor trade for rose is 2 parts per million. So in this case, FDA status is not applicable. >perhaps the writer of the comments has only had experience with< >inferior oils.< There are many on this list who will confirm how much I know about essential oils having worked in the supply trade, analytical trade and having contacts with REAL food flavor experts. >I have been using essential oils in my restaurants since 2002,< >and have served perhaps 40,000 meals since then,< This is marketing hype. It has little meaning as the volumes of use of these oils are unlikely to cause most people problems with the odd meal. The danger is in writing such books where people will assume they can consume such volumes regularly in food. In particular, this is very dangerous when we are dealing with a trade where adulterated essential oils are the norm rather than the exception and the public will purchase such oils for sure. >It is a cavalier accusation that is unfounded in reality.< Suggest you take a look at the figures above on Rose absolute if you are so certain you have done the correct research. I think not! So where is the reply over the fact Mandy Aftel is claiming to sell costus absolute, an extract that is too dangerous for the REAL cosmetics trade to dare using it? Martin Watt http://www.aromamedical.com =============================================== , " TaMara " <advocare1210> wrote: > > > I do hope this is not out of line but I emailed Mandy Aftel, one of > the books authors, with the response that was given because I am so > new to the area of herbs/EO's/cooking w/EO's, that I was > confused. > Below is the email I just received from her, its helps somewhat but > of course I will keep up my reading and researching. > TH > ~.~.~.~ > > Dear TaMara > I sent your email to my co-author Daniel Patterson and below is his > Response to what was said about it in your discussion group. I hope > that this will help clarify things. > Sincerely, > Mandy Aftel > > 1) The rose absolute, like all absolutes, are extracted with a > very pure, high-grade chemical called hexane. The resulting essence > is a natural product, distilled from a natural ingredient. It is on > the FDA GRAS (generally recognized as safe) list, as is every essence > used in the food recipes in the book. That means that the FDA has > ruled that it is safe to ingest. As to the use of food grade > chemicals in commercially produced foods, one only has to walk down > the aisles of any supermarket and read the ingredients of the > products to find far more dangerous coloring and flavoring agents. > 2) There is no way to make a ³home made ginger tincture² > that > would come close to the intensity and purity of flavor and aroma in > the fresh ginger essential oil. It is actually a very strong oil, so > perhaps the writer of the comments has only had experience with > inferior oils. > 3) We did extensive research as to the safety of essential oils. > Publishers are a careful lot, and everything was reviewed by a > lawyer. I have personally tried every recipe in the book at least > twice, and the ratios are correct. I have been using essential oils > in my restaurants since 2002, and have served perhaps 40,000 meals > since then, of which most people have at least one dish, and usually > more, using essential oils, without any problems whatsoever. It is a > cavalier accusation that is unfounded in reality. > 4) The last bit is laughable. The writer sounds somewhat like a > 60¹s refugee railing against ³The Man². Artisan is a small > publishing > house who took a chance on an interesting idea that is not at all > mainstream. They will probably not make any money on the book, which > is a high-end, small market concept. To lump them in with the profit- > at-any-expense approach of ³Corporate America² is disingenuous, > to > say the least. And on a personal level, I find this kind of negative, > accusatory rant to be counterproductive, and not at all conducive to > constructive dialogue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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