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Hey Andrea,

 

>>I have often wondered what your obsession is with this Codex business.

>>Now I think I know what it is .. I think you have been mesmerized by the

>>dude who wrote the below post .. a person who (in my opinion) is just

>>another con artist .. like Gary Young.

>>

>>You have seen the many e-mails I have written on this subject .. trying

>>to calm your fears and those of other folks .. but this post blows my

>>mind .. for many reasons .. and though I have no idea why you made it to

>>this list

>

> <snip>

>

> Hey Butch,

>

> I looked for other messages regarding this topic, but didn't find many

> under the search methods I chose (then I just typed in your name into

> the search but didn't go back very far... sorry, just have laundry and

> far too much other stuff to do. That darn laundry and other stuff was

> weighing so heavily on my mind that I woke up at 4:30 am and got up to

> take care of it all).

 

I have written on it in 2002, 2003 and 2004 .. and pretty much said the

same thing every time .. don't sweat the small stuff.

 

> I'm trying to get a handle on all of this CODEX stuff... and I am

> unsure as to what I can actually DO.

 

Nothing for now. Codex Alimentarius in really a European thing .. its

a United Nations thing so its a European thing. ;-)

 

The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations/World Health

Organization FAO/WHO is but another useless organization with Liberal

leanings that wants to justify its position, justify the positions and

salaries of its members, maybe make a few deals that will benefit their

pockets and eventually be adopted by the useless and Non Democratic EU

Parliament so they can do the same thing while forcing more restrictions

down the throats of the European population who is slowly becoming used

to not having the right of self determination in such matters.

 

> To me, this subject is not one that should inspire fear or take on

> some drastic tone of immenent danger.

 

Not to Americans .. but Europeans should be concerned .. they should be

concerned about a lot of things that are happening to them and many more

than are yet to happen.

 

> Hell, we've seen this before. Remember folic acid? You couldn't get

> it above a certain dose for quite some time. Ridiculous stuff, but it

> changed.

 

Yep .. difference is like I wrote on another list a few minutes ago.

The folks making the decisions in the EU are NOT elected .. they are

appointed. They depend on " so-called " expert committees to decide which

side of the bread folks should put the butter on and how far men should

stand from the urinal. The decisions these committees make are not

enforceable .. except through coercion .. which will eventually become

the primary means of keeping member states in line in the EU.

 

Some of the European countries who agreed to give up total autonomy,

their currency and their right to make decisions for their people are

now wondering what the Hell they were thinking! I believe that in time

the European Parliament will legislate themselves out of business .. and

we'll see massive protests on the home front in many European countries

demanding they withdraw from this difficult alliance. What I fear is a

possibility of the European Union creating their own military force and

eventually the EU Parliament making decisions that can commit that

military force. If that happens .. we could see civil war .. like when

South Carolina and some other states wanted to quit the club they had

joined. Some say this will never happen .. I believe if the EU doesn't

self-destruct in the next 5-6 years it could happen because they are in

a position to intimidate member countries now .. and those who are not

members are concerned that they will be ostracized if they don't fall in

line and join up .. a good example is Norway .. that is the discussion

ongoing there as you read this post.

 

> I do know that the pharma industry is dirty and they do indeed have a

> lot of lobbying power in our country and others... I know that they

> are concerned only with their profit at other's expense (health and

> monetary).

 

Big Business is ALWAYS concerned only with their own profits and they

all have effective lobbies. Its often impossible to draw a line between

interests of Big Business and that of Federal Governments in Democratic

countries and in some Asian Countries that pretend to be Democratic but

have governments controlled by big business leaders. I think this is

not always a bad thing .. it becomes a bad thing when the interests of

Big Business supersede those of the Feds because then those interests

also supersede those of the citizens.

 

> I do know that EU has been overrun by this CODEX, but what exactly

> has it meant/will it mean for them?

 

I sorta hit on that above .. the Europeans have just begun to see bad

times .. but eventually they might get fed up with it and rebel. Then

we will see how it goes. An interesting scenario .. though some folks

will say its ridiculous .. would be a European country asking the USA to

help them regain their independence and autonomy from the EU. ;-)

 

> The tide can turn back also. There is such a thing as backlash when

> enough people hear about it, understand it and then fight back against

> it.

 

Persackly what I wrote above .. but I leaned it more toward the citizens

of this or that European country or the governments themselves fighting

back against the European Parliament. Its difficult in a forum such as

this one to really express my feelings openly because some of the list

members will accuse me of being nationalistic .. I'm not .. but I am

anti European Union. I think that the average American citizen is more

likely to aggressively rebel against our government than is the average

European citizen .. there appears to be a movement afoot to deprogram

Europeans from doing this and such actions would only make the average

American .. who is a rebellious person by nature anyway .. even more

convinced of a need to rebel.

 

> For this reason (and the fact that people/groups who do such things

> (CODEX) are cowards

 

I don't think they're cowards .. more likely greedy, bureaucratic wimps.

 

> and when the money trail/facts are traced and brought to light, their

> power fades)

 

These are not underground movements .. but they are also not movements

the average Europeans citizen foresaw when they agreed to sign up. As

long as the United Nations and the European Parliament exists there will

always be a power base for change and control of the population .. but

we will not see much in the way of them being able to put an effective

trace on the money they take in and spend .. that we know now. ;-)

 

> I do not see any reason for the fear-mongering on this subject either.

 

Agree .. no need for the Americans. As for the UN and EU organizations,

they are in some ways similar to international Big Business interests ..

they hold their own agenda above that of the public and the difference

between that happening in the USA and there is that there is no checks

and balance system there to offset such action. Remember .. the UN and

the EU Parliament are NOT Democratic organizations!

 

> Most people don't have any clue about such things (and when they do

> find out, they go one of 2 ways... they follow the spin lines and

> propoganda or they understand it well and decide to do something about

> it). I am kind of counting myself in the 'clueless' group. I just

> don't know enough about it (rather out of the loop in so many ways

> lately).

 

Don't sweat it .. if one of our senators .. who must be stand up on his

or her own two feet every year and beg to be rehired .. or a congress

person who does the same every four years .. votes in a manner we don't

like we can vote to send them home. But in a Parliamentary system we

get to vote for the party .. not the individuals who will represent us.

 

> Butch... can you agree that the 'reason' this is being done is money

> in someone's pocket? Is there some vested interest in this? Or, are

> we to believe that this is being met on/decided on/put into law truly

> for their care and concern over our health and well-being?

 

I honestly believe that Charles Manson and Saddam Hussein were about as

altruistic in their rationale for their actions as these cats in the EU

and UN are now. I believe its all about getting on a committee and

keeping oneself employed in a highly paid but totally unnecessary job.

 

> I guess I'm looking for the same scathing remarks about CODEX and it's

> supporters as I am seeing about this John Hammell guy (I know, I know..

 

John Hammell is like the characters I mentioned in a post I wrote a

while back entitled Lists In General .. with any industry we create a

need for those to lobby fer and agin it .. he has found his pot of gold

in lobbying agin something.

 

> know... I probably didn't look back far enough through the messages or

> search under the right words).

 

Its all about greed .. and ego .. and power. And the ego was just

reeking on that letter Hammell wrote. ;-)

 

I don't question the righteousness of what Hammel is doing .. but I

do question Hammell's sincerity and dedication to duty.

 

> Please direct me -anyone- to other posts/sites on this subject. I am

> off to do laundry, but I am looking forward to becoming less 'clueless'!

 

There is the site I referred to in my original post yesterday .. at URL

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/ Read it carefully .. read all the

links .. and you will understand their intent.

 

In a couple of days .. after y'all have had time to digest this .. I'll

lay a couple of posts on you regarding some of the totally ridiculous EU

Directives regarding natural products. Funny they are. ;-)

 

Lemme direct your attention to some comments made on the following URL

http://www.fao.org/documents/show_cdr.asp?url_file=/docrep/w9114e/W9114e09.htm

 

They write, " It is difficult to imagine a world without the Codex

Alimentarius. It has been said that if Codex did not exist, somebody

would have to invent it. Consumer demand, recognition by WTO, the

growing attendance at Codex meetings and the greater involvement of

developing countries all point to a long and active life for the

Commission. " UNQUOTE.

 

Does anyone need a translation of the barely hidden message there? ;-)

 

They will always ensure that they generate enough manure to keep the

manure shovelers employed so they can supervise them.

 

> Thanks!

> Andrea

 

Welcome fer'shur .. and y'all keep smiling. :-)

 

Butch http://www.AV-AT.com