EO Injections .. Was Therapeutic Actions of EO

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Yo Chris,

 

> Hey Butch,

>

> One quick question I have. Maybe the folks in the EU know more about

> this too (since this is an " over there " question) .. many years back I

> remember hearing about some doctors in France giving EO injections? I

> don't know if was in an experiment, a regular practice, just a quack or

> two doing it, or what .. anyone else hear about this going on?

 

Martin discussed this once on list. He wrote:

 

> These doctors do not practise within the French health care system so

> their results and failures are scrutinized by no one. The experiments

> are not published in any reputable medical journals. Therefore it is

> without a doubt quack medicine. Where do you think Gary Young got all

> his ideas from - FRANCE!!!!! Martin

 

That's all I know.

 

> *Smile*

> Chris (list mom)

>

> http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

 

>

> What it boils down to is methods of introducing chemicals into the

> body .. the four major methods are injection (never an option in AT),

> dermal application (the least effective means) actual ingestion

> (we're not sure what happens to chemicals after exposure to stomach

> acids and the like) and inhalation .. the quickest (besides injection)

> and most effective means.

>

> Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

[Guest guest]

Martin discussed this once on list. He wrote:

 

>

>

>>These doctors do not practise within the French health care system so

>>their results and failures are scrutinized by no one. The experiments

>>are not published in any reputable medical journals. Therefore it is

>>without a doubt quack medicine. Where do you think Gary Young got all

>>his ideas from - FRANCE!!!!! Martin

>>

 

Hi Chris,

 

Michel from France here. I know of many different oral uses,

pharmaceutical preparations, gynecological uses of essential

oils /and/or hydrolates, but never heard of injections!

I have friends who are regular doctors here in France, prescribing

essential oils and hydrolates as many other regular doctors do, without

being quack doctors at all.

France is, whatever idea Anglo-saxons may have, a very strong regulated

country, with a lot of restrictions regarding illegal practice of

medicine, they jail you first and talk later...

Different essential oils are even forbidden, only to be sold in pharmacy:

cedar wood oil, absinth (understandable!), anise and fennel oil, sage

oils, hyssop...

This is not the case in my country, Belgium, or in Germany and The

Netherlands...

 

Martin is in MHO a bit too severe towards France, I know he does not

like many French aromatherapy teachers, but he should

not consider them all alike.

Regarding Gary Young: he already had his " special " ideas before coming

to France.

I witnessed his " show " in Grasse once, and since we (members of the old

idma list) already wrote a lot about his dangerous practice, I

personally questioned Doctor Penoel about this during the Grasse

aromatherapy meeting.

Most people listening to GY's presentation did not take him very

serious, considered him just " another American curiosity " ...

 

Regards from France,

 

Michel Vanhove

[Guest guest]

Hi Michel -

 

Pardon me but I think either you snipped incorrectly or misread the snip you

have of Martin's post. He stated those who are doing injections are NOT

practicing within the French Health Care system.

 

Dale

-

Michel Vanhove

Friday, January 14, 2005 1:40 PM

Re: EO Injections .. Was Therapeutic Actions of EO

 

 

 

Martin discussed this once on list. He wrote:

 

>

>

>>These doctors do not practise within the French health care system so

>>their results and failures are scrutinized by no one. The experiments

>>are not published in any reputable medical journals. Therefore it is

>>without a doubt quack medicine. Where do you think Gary Young got all

>>his ideas from - FRANCE!!!!! Martin

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

I received my diploma in Holistic Aromatherapy at a well known school in

England. We were told our diploma would be recognised in all of western Europe

except France. When I moved to Paris, I was not allowed to use essential oils in

massage therapy. I was told that only medical doctors were permitted to use

oils. I find having no regulations here in America is what allows Gary Young's

people to be " aromatherapists " without formal training. From one extreme to

another!

 

Connie

 

Michel Vanhove <michel wrote:

 

Martin discussed this once on list. He wrote:

 

>

>

>>These doctors do not practise within the French health care system so

>>their results and failures are scrutinized by no one. The experiments

>>are not published in any reputable medical journals. Therefore it is

>>without a doubt quack medicine. Where do you think Gary Young got all

>>his ideas from - FRANCE!!!!! Martin

>>

 

Hi Chris,

 

Michel from France here. I know of many different oral uses,

pharmaceutical preparations, gynecological uses of essential

oils /and/or hydrolates, but never heard of injections!

I have friends who are regular doctors here in France, prescribing

essential oils and hydrolates as many other regular doctors do, without

being quack doctors at all.

France is, whatever idea Anglo-saxons may have, a very strong regulated

country, with a lot of restrictions regarding illegal practice of

medicine, they jail you first and talk later...

Different essential oils are even forbidden, only to be sold in pharmacy:

cedar wood oil, absinth (understandable!), anise and fennel oil, sage

oils, hyssop...

This is not the case in my country, Belgium, or in Germany and The

Netherlands...

 

Martin is in MHO a bit too severe towards France, I know he does not

like many French aromatherapy teachers, but he should

not consider them all alike.

Regarding Gary Young: he already had his " special " ideas before coming

to France.

I witnessed his " show " in Grasse once, and since we (members of the old

idma list) already wrote a lot about his dangerous practice, I

personally questioned Doctor Penoel about this during the Grasse

aromatherapy meeting.

Most people listening to GY's presentation did not take him very

serious, considered him just " another American curiosity " ...

 

Regards from France,

 

Michel Vanhove

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Very true. Here, all one needs to do is put up their

shingle, if their state allows the use of essential

oils without a cosmetology license.

 

It's sad I think, because so much harm can come out of

using them without the knowledge.

 

Kirstin

 

 

> I received my diploma in Holistic Aromatherapy at a

> well known school in England. We were told our

> diploma would be recognised in all of western Europe

> except France. When I moved to Paris, I was not

> allowed to use essential oils in massage therapy. I

> was told that only medical doctors were permitted to

> use oils. I find having no regulations here in

> America is what allows Gary Young's people to be

> " aromatherapists " without formal training. From one

> extreme to another!

 

 

 

 

 

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, Butch Owen <butchbsi@s...>

wrote:

> some doctors in France giving EO injections? I

> > don't know if was in an experiment, a regular practice, just a

quack or

> > two doing it, or what .. anyone else hear about this going on?

>

>

Just a quick note on this subject. I have heard of other injections

being done on people. The latest one being a teenager had arthritis

and her parents had gold injected into her joints. Apparently this

is suppose to help people with this ailment. Well the poor girl

could not do anything for herself for 3 years. She was brought into

my husbands office to get some advise (actually her parents wanted

the advise) on removing some of her teeth and putting in gold caps.

 

My husband, who listened to all the tales of what was going on with

the girl, because she was carried into his office, knew instinctively

that something was wrong with the picture. They had filled out all

the forms about her health. Still he felt uncomfortable but did not

understand why. Then after talking about all the different options

that could be taken and the parents still insisting on the gold

fillings, he asked why she could not walk on her own. They told him

the story of her arthritis. The exchange of stories of other people

went on for he did not feel comfortable with the parents decision but

how can you tell them this. Then in all the talking the mother

commented on a chain that my husband was wearing. It was made of

gold and it was handmade. She told him that their daughter could not

wear jewllery because she is alergic to gold.

 

Well you can guess what my husband said. He told them under no

cercumstances was he putting gold in their daughter's mouth. The

parents were shocked that he would not do this, they still did not

hear themselves and what they had said about the gold. He repeated

what they had said to him about being alergic to gold and it was not

until that moment in time they realized what they had done to her.

Her body was having a major alergic reaction to the gold they had

injected into her joints. All the pain and agony she was going

through was of their doing. They broke down and cried. They

understood finally what was wrong but they at the time could not see

the forest for the trees.

 

I am commenting on this for sometimes we can not see the forest for

the trees and I wonder soemtimes, as this post brought back to mind

the story of the gold, how often people jump at new things without

realy taking a close look at the possiblities of alergies developing

or that we have and do not know about until we zap ourselves with an

overdose.

 

Just food for thought.

Barbara