Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 > Hi Neysa, Hi Mary > Lest you give the wrong impression, *I* give the wrong impression? I was relating what *I* did, not recommending something for others to do. lets make it very clear you cannot, > repeat cannot get cured of diabetes. Its just not possible. The best you > can ever hope to achieve is to control the symptoms. Allow me to respectfully suggest that just because YOU couldnt do it, it doesnt make it impossible for someone else to. > You need to work with the system, and not self medicate - its a very > dangerous thing. I have worked with the system. They damn near killed me several times. Stuff the system. The drug companies run the system... and their goal is money, not health for the masses. Medication is time released, and as per my understanding, > you would need longer than two weeks to be sure you can stop taking medication. I have been working on this for more than weeks, more like many many months..... I am no fool. > > Some people can keep their blood sugar under control with diet and exercise, some cannot. But to say that you can control diabetes with herbs is dangerous, I didnt say you can control it with herbs. I did say (or meant to say) that using the herbs helped ME keep things reasonable until I got more medicine which, incidentally, I am now using less of. I believe that herbs are an excellent help, witnessed, to ME, by the effectiveness I have experienced. Sorry I was not more specific on that. and there are many " quack " companies out there purporting to do just that. And many quacks in the medical field too. I do not depend on my doctor to take care of me. After all, HE was the one who insisted that I use Hormones and I had to remind him I had had cancer. His reply (with my chart in front of him) " Oh yeah I forgot " . He is also the one who prescribed Bextra and Vioxx and any number of other nasties for me to take. And BTW he is the GOOD one in this little podunk town. I make my own decisions. I am not bound by what any company, doctor or anyone else says. My body, my life. Since I am almost 70 it has either been good choices or dumb luck. Take your pick. No harm, no foul, Mary. Thanks for your Opinion. Neysa -- Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release 1/6/05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 I don`t know what this is all about but I`ve probably been deleting the emails about diabetics, would you please send me the herbs you have been using that have helped I just had a friend to call and ask me for help if she doesn`t get her sugar down she is going to have to go on meds and doesn`t want to if she can help it so can you let me know what you do. Also I have read that cinamon helps do you know anything how to use it. I apologize for asking you to repeat yourself but I could use your help Thanks Sandra - " Neysa Dormish " <neysa > > > > Hi Neysa, > > Hi Mary > > > Lest you give the wrong impression, > > *I* give the wrong impression? I was relating what *I* did, not recommending > something for others to do. > > lets make it very clear you cannot, > > repeat cannot get cured of diabetes. Its just not possible. The best you > > can ever hope to achieve is to control the symptoms. > > Allow me to respectfully suggest that just because YOU couldnt do it, it > doesnt make it impossible for someone else to. > > > You need to work with the system, and not self medicate - its a very > > dangerous thing. > > I have worked with the system. They damn near killed me several times. Stuff > the system. The drug companies run the system... and their goal is money, > not health for the masses. > > Medication is time released, and as per my understanding, > you would need > longer than two weeks to be sure you can stop taking medication. > > I have been working on this for more than weeks, more like many many > months..... I am no fool. > > > > Some people can keep their blood sugar under control with diet and > exercise, some cannot. But to say that you can control diabetes with herbs > is dangerous, > > I didnt say you can control it with herbs. I did say (or meant to say) that > using the herbs helped ME keep things reasonable until I got more medicine > which, incidentally, I am now using less of. I believe that herbs are an > excellent help, witnessed, to ME, by the effectiveness I have experienced. > Sorry I was not more specific on that. > > and there are many " quack " companies out there purporting to do just that. > > And many quacks in the medical field too. I do not depend on my doctor to > take care of me. After all, HE was the one who insisted that I use Hormones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 , " Wayne and Sandra " <rinerw@b...> wrote: > I don`t know what this is all about but I`ve probably been deleting the > emails about diabetics, would you please send me the herbs you have been > using that have helped Hi Sandra! I'm the person who first asked about this. Rather than wait for someone to resend the messages, you can just go back and look through the message archives of the last 2 days and find all of the information you're looking for. -- Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Thanks Sandra - " Sandy " <diamonique > > , " Wayne and Sandra " > <rinerw@b...> wrote: > > I don`t know what this is all about but I`ve probably been deleting the > > emails about diabetics, would you please send me the herbs you have been > > using that have helped > > Hi Sandra! > > I'm the person who first asked about this. Rather than wait for > someone to resend the messages, you can just go back and look through > the message archives of the last 2 days and find all of the > information you're looking for. > > -- Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Here I go again with the Chlorella... balancing effect on the blood sugar ;-) Healing with Whole Foods has a lot to say about diabetes, distinguishes between deficiency-type and excess-type diabetes, and provides much more specific dietary info than the standard nutritional approach. FYI, under Foods Commonly Used in Treatment of Diabetes it lists dandelion root and leaf, cedar berries, yarrow flowers, and blueberry/huckleberry leaf. Careful with those, make sure you know what you're doing with herbs. -Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Good morning Neysa, >>>I do not depend on my doctor to take care of me. After all, HE was the one who insisted that I use Hormones and I had to remind him I had had cancer. His reply (with my chart in front of him) " Oh yeah I forgot " .<<< IMHO, oh too many give their power over to their MD and don't take personal responsibility for their health. Your story reminds me of my experience at the gyno last May to discuss my perimenopause symptoms. Not more than 5 minutes into my appointment, with prescription pad in hand, she insisted that HRT was necessary and my only option. Thank God I knew better! This advice came BEFORE testing my hormones, and AFTER knowing that I had had previously diagnosed fibroids and ovarian cysts -- both symptoms of an excess of estrogen. The last thing I needed was more estrogen! I was absolutely amazed and " Holistic Menopause " was born as a direct result of this experience. >>>I make my own decisions. I am not bound by what any company, doctor or anyone else says. My body, my life. Since I am almost 70 it has either been good choices or dumb luck. Take your pick.<<< I pick, " very wise woman " . Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 >>>Lest you give the wrong impression, lets make it very clear you cannot, repeat cannot get cured of diabetes. Its just not possible.<<< Good morning, With all due respect, this is simply not true, but rather sounds as though it may be something that an MD has convinced you to believe is so. Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Hello Michelle, Its not a md that has convinced me, I am very capapable of doing my own research, however, I would like to you give me one, just one, instance where diabetes has been cured by herbs? I didnt say controlled, I said cured, which is your claim. Diabetes is a very dangerous condition, and kills. I for one dont plan on loosing my feet because I feel that herbs may well be better. In this day and age, I think that allopathic and wholistic medicine, used in combination is a very smart decision. Mary Well, Naturally At 07:17 AM 1/10/2005, you wrote: > >>>Lest you give the wrong impression, lets make it very clear you >cannot, repeat cannot get cured of diabetes. Its just not possible.<<< > >Good morning, > >With all due respect, this is simply not true, but rather sounds as >though it may be something that an MD has convinced you to believe is >so. > >Michelle > > > > > >Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves: ><http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html>http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.htm\ l > >To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: ></join>/grou\ p//join > > > > >---------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 I haven't really researched any of this, but wouldn't it be determined by which type of diabetes you had? I do agree with Mary though... controlled, definitely. Shelley Mary Robinson wrote: > Hello Michelle, > > Its not a md that has convinced me, I am very capapable of doing my own > research, however, I would like to you give me one, just one, instance > where diabetes has been cured by herbs? I didnt say controlled, I said > cured, which is your claim. _________ $0 Web Hosting with up to 120MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Hi Mary, I certainly didn't intend to cause you anger and am not really into combative or competitive communication. I'm sorry if you took offense to my post. Let me clarify that I did not suggest that diabetes can be cured with " herbs " . You wrote: " lets make it very clear you cannot, repeat cannot get cured of diabetes. Its just not possible " . I responded with: " With all due respect, this is simply not true " . I said nothing about herbs and was focused on a more comprehensive approach which includes supplementation, dietary and lifestyle changes. There are many natural approaches one can take for diabetes. Herbs would NOT be #1 on my list. I actually personally know several people who have completely healed themselves of diabetes. Not controled, cured. This was the foundation for my response to you this morning. Like you, I agree that a holistic approach along with allopathic medicine is a good blend. I'm not anti-doctor or anti prescription drugs. Thank God we have medications when they are needed. I simply feel that they are prescribed far more frequently and irresponsibly than they are truly needed. I also agree that diabetes is a very serious condition. I watched my mother suffer from it many years ago. Pancreatic cancer caused her death. I am not slighting the significance of this disease. Nor would I encourage anyone to change or stop their medications abruptly or be careless in any way when addressing any serious health condition. I simply said, that your blanket statement was inaccurate. We're all entitled to our opinions and we come by them honestly. We can certainly agree to disagree. Let's do so in a mutually respectful way! All the best, Michelle Mary wrote: Its not a md that has convinced me, I am very capapable of doing my own research, however, I would like to you give me one, just one, instance where diabetes has been cured by herbs? I didnt say controlled, I said cured, which is your claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Neysa wrote: I make my own decisions. I am not bound by what any company, doctor or anyone else says. My body, my life. APPLAUSE! Ien in the Kootenays ******************************* Stop. Breathe. Smile! ~Padma ( my TV yoga teacher) See my smiling face: http://www.greatestnetworker.com/is/ien ******************************* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Josh Alexander wrote: <Here I go again with the Chlorella... balancing effect on the blood sugar ;-)> Hurray, a fellow algae fan! The nutritional love of my life is the wild AFA algae, but all the edible algae are excellent. I have never used chlorella, but I do know that my blood sugars stay a lot more stable if I eat my AFA. Occasionally if I have not been behaving myself I take some metabazon, a herbal combo. It works. A friend of mine swears it is keeping her from developing gestational diabetes. Ien in the Kootenays **************************** I can finish my own sentences again! muddled **************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 So I went and read the cinnamon article... just a nitpick, I hate how the doctor's comment says, blanket, " avoid grains " ... since whole grains are an important aspect to Paul Pitchford's approach to diabetes. It's simply not fair to fail to distinguish between whole grains and their denatured counterparts many are more used to. >Here's what Mercola has to say about Cinnamon. Looks very promising >indeed. http://www.mercola.com/2004/may/1/cinnamon_diabetes.htm -Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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