Vaccinations - Small Pox, Ebola and Influenza

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Hi Jill,

 

> Hi Butch!

> Just a quick note - Small Pox was a killer, but it could have been treated

> with a less radical treatment than the typical live but weakened small pox

> vaccine.

 

Folks know that now maybe .. but did they know it when Small Pox was

killing tens of thousands of people? Historically 1 of 3 folks who

contracted it died.

 

> COW POX. Milk Maids never got the " pox " because, in the ordinary course of

> their day, they came in contact with similar, but less violent strains of

> small pox. Cows had this on their udders and such. Some of the very first

> " vaccinations " were conducted by taking samples from infected people and

> placing them under the skin of non - infected people.

 

OK .. but the same question would apply.

 

> Small pox is a very interesting subject. There are also other diseases that

> are way more deadly - Ebola, for example, although there have been folks

> who survived it.

 

True that Ebola Hemmorhagic Fever is a horrible and fast killer .. but

lucky we are that it is restricted to certain environments and easily

destroyed by contact with air in other environments so its not likely to

cause a world wide epidemic. I was often concerned about that when I

worked in Africa .. if I had known as much then as I know about it now I

would have been more concerned. By the time its diagnosed the normal

person needs to start making their will while they still have the mind

to do it. I know someone in CDC Atlanta who is working hard on this.

 

Small Pox .. on the other hand .. was not easily destroyed and adapted

itself well to all environments. And though its not a big killer today

we are not TOTALLY sure that Small Pox is TOTALLY extinct. There are

still folks in places like Somalia who have never seen a town or a

doctor .. they avoid civilization altogether .. like a lost world.

 

> Small Pox has been elimated since 1971 in the US and world wide shortly there

> after thanks to UN vaccination programs going into the remotest and far flung

> villages and jungles.

 

And .. they used the old fashion Small Pox vaccine. But I read that the

last case of Small Pox in the USA was in Texas .. in 1949 .. the last

occurrence of endemic smallpox was in Somalia in 1977 .. and the last

case in the world was a laboratory-acquired infection in 1978. I have

many folks in Vietnam and Somalia who survived Small Pox and bore some

terrible scars to prove it. The below reference says that currently the

virus has been eliminated from the human population, although some virus

remains for laboratory use.

 

http://www.state.sd.us/homeland/bio/smallpox.htm

 

http://www.who.int/emc/diseases/smallpox/factsheet.html

 

> As for the flu though, it is a rapidly mutating virus, much like the common

> cold viruses. The mortality rate (death rate) is fairly low. As is SARS,

> belive it or not. The mortality rate is under 8% in both cases. I do NOT know

> the mortality rate from the flu vaccine or ractions to it. There is no vaccine

> for SARS to my knowledge.

 

True on the flu .. I was commenting only on Small Pox .. flu vaccines

are developed for the old versions .. not necessarily the ones that we

might be exposed to each year .. and I have not had a flu shot since I

retired from the Army in January 1989. Nor do I plan to get one.

 

On SARS .. there are a couple of antiseptics that FDA says will stop the

virus on contact .. that is when its on the hands and such. But I know

of no vaccine for it.

 

> Childhood immunizations are in a different category all together. We are

> shooting our kids up with up to 10 different diseases per session of

> immunization. I have some information that I have gotten from the PDR and

> I use it to teach in my classes, I can up load it to the " files " section,

> if anyone is interested in it. Most of the childhood diseases that we

> eradicated were in declination anyway, despite the vaccinations. We have

> better sanitation (garbage is not just thrown into the street to decompse,

> fester, and rot and all the vermin that goes with it - as a general rule

> anyway), we have cleaner drinking water (although I won't go into detail

> about the problems with flouridation), we have better " science " - we can

> isolate and acutally see what causes these diseases, we have better sewer

> systems / septic systems, etc.

 

True in all cases .. in the Western World and parts of Asia .. anyway.

 

> The thing that really gets me is these products like " Thera Flu " that makes

> folks feel better, so they go on to work, dumping tons of germs everywhere

> they go. Just because you " feel better " does not make you WELL. The society

> as a whole could be helped immensely by people STAYING AT HOME when they are

> sick and keeping their sick kids OUT of public.

 

Amen to that!

 

> Another thing is hand washing. Wash frequently with regular soap and warm

water.

> Use paper towels. It kills me that people will NOT wash their hands! This is a

> funny for you, just to show ya'll how easy it is to spread germs. My eldest

son

> got pink eye about a year ago. When I realized what it was (we were out in

public)

> I brought him home and told him to go to MY bathroom to wash his hands with

hot

> soapy water - twice and I would get him a paper towel. I set the Lysol out to

> spray the sink to spray down the spigots - this is key - I forgot to pick it

up

> when I got the paper towel. So he finishes washing his hands and I turn the

> spigots off. I did NOT wash my hands, and aparently, just touching my hands

> to the spigots then not washing my hands, combined with forgetting to spray it

> down with Lysol - within 24 hours I had pink eye! The moral of the story is

> WASH YOUR HANDS.

 

Yep .. and that's why some folks have a difficult time getting rid of

Conjunctivitis when using antibiotics .. they reinfect themselves. Rose

Hydrosol poured directly into the eyes will kick it in no time flat.

 

> We are lucky, we live out and are able to burn most of our paper products -

> like the paper towels and tissues, so no one else gets sick.

 

Good show. Folks in Bammer know how to survive. ;-)

 

> Jumping back to vaccinations for a moment, check out the anthrax vaccine - I

do

> not endorse this site at all, but you can check out vaccines for yourself at

> www.909shot.com . This is for information purposes only. They do not recommend

> that folks get vaccines, but they do not recommend against them either. (Did I

> just breach list rules by posting this? I am sorry if I did)

 

No .. you didn't violate any list rules. ;-)

 

> They do advocate that you reasearch and understand what you are doing and the

> potential side effects from them.

 

That's a great CYA statement for them .. but I guess its better than

nothing. Many folks won't investigate anything .. either too lazy or

don't know how or don't understand what they find anyway. ;-)

 

> Jill Mc.

> Alabama

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

 

> > Not an area in which I have knowledge .. Chris, Dale, Markey, Jill

> > and likely many others do have a good grasp of this. But .. can we

> > not say that Small Pox has been eliminated in the USA as a result

> > of a long term program of vaccination?