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Hi Butch!

 

Just a quick note - Small Pox was a killer, but it could have been treated with

a less radical treatment than the typical live but weakened small pox vaccine.

COW POX. Milk Maids never got the " pox " because, in the ordinary course of

their day, they came in contact with similar, but less violent strains of small

pox. Cows had this on their udders and such. Some of the very first

" vaccinations " were conducted by taking samples from infected people and placing

them under the skin of non - infected people. Small pox is a very interesting

subject. There are also other diseases that are way more deadly - Ebola, for

example, although there have been folks who survived it. Small Pox has been

elimated since 1971 in the US and world wide shortly there after thanks to UN

vaccination programs going into the remotest and far flung villages and jungles.

 

As for the flu though, it is a rapidly mutataing virus, much like the common

cold viruses. The mortality rate (death rate) is fairly low. As is SARS,

belive it or not. The mortality rate is under 8% in both cases. I do NOT know

the mortality rate from the flu vaccine or ractions to it. There is no vaccine

for SARS to my knowledge.

 

Childhood immunizations are in a different category all together. We are

shooting our kids up with upto 10 different diseases per session of

immunization. I have some information that I have gotten from the PDR and I use

it to teach in my classes, I can up load it to the " files " section, if anyone is

interested in it. Most of the childhood diseases that we eradicated were in

declination anyway, despite the vaccinations. We have better sanitation

(garbage is not just thrown into the street to decompse, fester, and rot and all

the vermin that goes with it - as a general rule anyway), we have cleaner

drinking water (although I won't go into detail about the problems with

flouridation), we have better " science " - we can isolate and acutally see what

causes these diseases, we have better sewer systems / septic systems, etc.

 

The thing that really gets me is these products like " Thera Flu " that makes

folks feel better, so they go on to work, dumping tons of germs everywhere they

go. Just because you " feel better " does not make you WELL. The society as a

whole could be helped immensely by people STAYING AT HOME when they are sick and

keeping their sick kids OUT of public. Another thing is hand washing. Wash

frequently with regular soap and warm water. Use paper towels. It kills me

that people will NOT wash their hands! This is a funny for you, just to show

ya'll how easy it is to spread germs. My eldest son got pink eye about a year

ago. When I realized what it was (we were out in public) I brought him home and

told him to go to MY bathroom to wash his hands with hot soapy water - twice and

I would get him a paper towel. I set the Lysol out to spray the sink to spray

down the spigots - this is key - I forgot to pick it up when I got the paper

towel. So he finishes washing his hands and I turn

the spigots off. I did NOT wash my hands, and aparently, just touching my

hands to the spigots then not washing my hands, combined with forgetting to spay

it down with Lysol - within 24 hours I had pink eye! The moral of the story is

WASH YOUR HANDS. We are lucky, we live out and are able to burn most of our

paper products - like the paper towels and tissues, so no one else gets sick.

 

Jumping back to vaccinations for a moment, check out the anthrax vaccine - I do

not endorse this site at all, but you can check out vaccines for yourself at

www.909shot.com . This is for information purposes only. They do not recommed

that folks get vaccines, but they do not recommend against them either. (Did I

just breach list rules by posting this? I am sorry if I did) They do advocate

that you reasearch and understand what you are doing and the potential side

effects from them.

 

Jill Mc.

Alabama

 

Butch Owen <butchbsi wrote:

 

Hi y'all,

 

Not an area in which I have knowledge .. Chris, Dale, Markey, Jill and

likely many others do have a good grasp of this. But .. can we not

say that Small Pox has been eliminated in the USA as a result of a

long term program of vaccination?

 

 

 

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> The society as a whole could be helped immensely by people STAYING AT HOME

when they are sick and keeping their sick kids OUT of public. Another thing is

hand washing. Wash frequently with regular soap and warm water. Use paper

towels. It kills me that people will NOT wash their hands!

 

Okay...I'm going to try not to rant, again. I'm pretty sure I'm going

to fail. I need your help on how to tactfully! kindly! lovingly!

INSIST that my family (in-laws included) wash their hands. Please!

 

I have issues with people (namely, my husband and in-laws) REFUSING to

wash their hands properly, if the wash at all. I try SO hard to

instill good hand-washing etiquette in my children, and it is thwarted

by them consistently. What makes this worse is, my MIL went to nursing

school before she was married. Got married, did a few odd jobs here

and there, but basically stayed home on the farm to raise kids. (Good

show!) Up until just a few years ago (she's in her early sixties now),

she received some sort of certificate that 'certified' her as a nurse.

(I don't understand this. I especially don't understand how a 'nurse'

could possibly pass a recertification without washing thier hands.)

 

When I was introduced to the family 14 years ago, I was so 'in love' I

believe I overlooked the foibles. Like FIL walking straight from the

bathroom to the supper table without washing his hands. And *I'm* the

B* & ^% who asked him to please turn around and wash his hands just

before he got to the table. My intent is NOT to embarrass people into

washing their hands...HOW do you guide them gently, when this is a way

of life to them? My dh thinks I am absolutely NUTS because I purchased

3 dozen washclothes to put by the bathroom sink. When someone washes

their hands, they are to wipe with a clean washcloth, then toss it

right into the hamper.

 

My family thinks I'm a nag because I want them to wash their hands

with SOAP and water, not just rubbing 2 fingers over the bar and

rinsing. My dd (6) knows she is to, at a minimum, suds up her hands

and rinse for a whole round of ABC's. My dh blatantly refuses to suds

up, and lies to me about washing his hands...and he cooks our meals.

His passive-aggressive behavior (he *says* he'll wash his hands!) and

his poor example to the kids put me over the edge, not to mention the

germs he is spreading. But, if no one gets immediately sick from what

he was 'caught' not doing...then he's doing everything right, right?

Well, then, I'd like to know why we can be well, then he comes home

from a trip to be home for a few days, and leaves again...and we all

end up being home sick while he's gone. My best guess is that he's

partly to blame. Honestly...I appreciate that the man helps change the

two kids we've got in diapers, and that he cooks. But I'd rather do it

ALL myself than have to think about all the germs he's *willfully*

spreading. Yes...we have young kids and are all spreading germs

everywhere. Wouldn't the good example of another parent practicing

good hygiene be beneficial?

 

And, maybe I don't understand the physics of men peeing standing

up...dh argues that he doesn't have to wash his hands because he

hasn't 'touched' anything. As far as I'm concerned, if you walk into

the bathroom and touch either the door, knob, light switch, toilet

handle, faucet, or use the toilet or blow your nose, you oughta wash

your hands.

 

My in-laws (esp. MIL) are snot wipers...they'll wipe snot on sleeves,

or on fingers-then-clothing, and think that THEN they are fully

entitled to pick up and cuddle my babies. NOT!! My babies have their

(usually wet) fingers in their ears, eyes, noses, and mouths because

they are kids. I don't want them playing patty cake with gramma until

after she's used some tissue, and some soap and water. Grandpa rarely

bathes, and we already know that it's not a habit to come to family

dinner with clean hands. HOW do I keep from sounding completely anal

about handwashing? How do I sound like I'm not lecturing? WHY do I

even have to remind them to wash their hands? AM I crazy?? Gettin'

there!

 

I would like to find a way to be non-confrontational about

hand-washing. I've thought about printing up signs, like " please wash

your hands thoroughly with soap and water before leaving the

bathroom " . But I *know* (from experience) that they will be

disregarded. If I ask them to wash, they'll swish around a little. If

I don't ask, they won't bother. I tried sending dd in with MIL to the

restroom, so my dd could educate her on how 'we' wash our hands. What

did she learn? I dunno...but MIL taught my dd that you don't *have* to

wipe your butt after you use the toilet. (Gramma doesn't.)

AAAARRGHHHH!

 

Please help me. LOL

Lisa

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, Jill McDanal

<birthmamajill> wrote:

> Hi Butch!

>

> Just a quick note - Small Pox was a killer,

 

Small Pox has been elimated since 1971 in the US and world wide

shortly there after thanks to UN vaccination programs going into the

remotest and far flung villages and jungles.

>

>

 

I guess this kind of hit a nerve with me and I do appoligize for my

frankness once again.

 

But small pox has never been elimated in the North American

continent. We just do not hear about the people working on

gravesites, archoligists and other people that come in contact with

old sites, that some are dying of small pox. There have been out

breaks in Canada in small numbers but kept under rapes by the

government health departments.

 

You ask how do I know this? I have read the report in the

newspapers, with the article being in some obscure place and from my

children in the medical field.

 

I did not read all the threads on this one but had to point out that

history does repeat itself over and over again because we think we

are more superior than the people before us. Sadly we always find

out too late we are wrong.

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history does repeat itself over and over again because we think we

are more superior than the people before us. Sadly we always find

out too late we are wrong.

 

Aint that the truth, though? I would like to find a domestic news source that

actually gave " the news " and didn't keep us in a frenzy constantly about the

" war " / " war on whatever " ! I don't read the paper as a rule, our local papers

are not locally owned. They are owned by the other mogul media corporations -

ie The New York Times. I would like to get real news from a local source but

find I am having to look outside my home country to get a real picture of what

is going on domestically.

 

Jill Mc.

Alabama

 

 

 

 

 

 

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First, apologies for taking so long to answer - you know we've had the whooping

cough of all things and are just now getting back to some sort of normalcy - I

have over 1400 emails in THIS inbox alone to answer!

 

Next, I cannot tell you how to tactfully ask adults who *should* know better

than to not wash their hands in the bathroom and kitchen, other than to tell

them out right " If, by some chance, you EXPECT to dine with " the family " then

the rule is to WASH YOUR HANDS BEFORE sitting down for the meal. " Kids are easy

at my house it is standard procedure to wash before you eat. We live out in the

almost middle of nowhere. We have animals and lots of dirt and nice things like

hookworm and tapeworm, so washing is a must. I also am anal about keeping my

kids' nails cut so they do not harbor any nasties that way either.

 

Frankly about your husband (or some men in general) not washing their hands

after using the toilet they say " I didn't touch anything. " Okay, so you just

did what with your penis? You didn't " touch " it to pee and the pee didn't get

on your underpants and you didn't touch soiled underpants to urinate or " shake

it " afterwords, so what exactly did you NOT touch? Lets face it, if men don't

wash after urinating, they probably don't wash after doing other things either.

Which, is just GROSS and unhealthy to say the least.

 

I wash my hands in the kitchen ad nauseum. For instance tonight we had chicken

tenders or as they say here in the south " Chicken Fangers. " To do this I only

can fry a small amout at a time. I cooked 26 of them all together. I soak

them in milk - please do not roll eyes or gag until you tried it - then bread

them with self-rising flour. Since I can only cook 3 to 4 at a time, I start

out with clean hands, bread 3 or 4, put them in the pot to fry and then bread

that many more. I wash my hands, stir the pot, do whatever else. When those

come out, I then put in the ones I breaded, then repeat the whole process. That

is an average of at least 7 hand washings in failry rapid succession. I do not

use antibacterial soap, just regular " gel " soap in a pump. We have not had an

incidence of a food borne illness ever. The great thing is, my husband DOES

wash his hands too. Which sets a good example.

 

You know what they say, to win the war, take out the general. The MIL I would

just have to flat out say, since you are a nurse, you KNOW the importance of

handwashing. I would get the OSHA guidelines if possible. I would also make

sure my kids understand that just because granny and granddad are too dumb or

insolent to wash their hands, that is no excuse for them not to. Also, I would

fix plates to keep them out of my kitchen and food.

 

That is, of course, just my HO.

 

LOL

 

Jill Mc.

Alabama

 

Lisa Nelson <An.Indigo.Rose wrote:

Okay...I'm going to try not to rant, again. I'm pretty sure I'm going

to fail. I need your help on how to tactfully! kindly! lovingly!

INSIST that my family (in-laws included) wash their hands. Please!

 

I have issues with people (namely, my husband and in-laws) REFUSING to

wash their hands properly, if the wash at all. I try SO hard to

instill good hand-washing etiquette in my children, and it is thwarted

by them consistently.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Oooh, we love that dish at our house!! Have you tried marinating the

chicken in buttermilk? When I first got married, I set the hook in DH with

the buttermilk marinade fried 'Chicken Fangers', lol!! We're almost on our

17th anniversary :-)

 

Pamela

Texas

 

>> SNIP <<

For instance tonight we had chicken tenders or as they say here in the south

" Chicken Fangers. "

>> SNIP << I soak them in milk - please do not roll eyes or gag until you

tried it - then bread them with self-rising flour.

>> SNIP <<

Jill Mc.

Alabama