Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Howdy y'all, I see the last one made it. :-) > Gosh Jill, I'm pretty sure these drugs have not been around more > than 15 years... would've thought such terminology had disappeared f > from print well before that. Thanks for the interesting info though. > I guess my Italian half succumbed. :-( Using a term like " Mediterranean descent " is kinda a mouthful as it COULD include folks from Greece, Italy, Turkey, Sicily, Sardinia, Crete, Corsica, North and South Cyprus, Malta, Rhodes, Gibraltar, and the Dodecanese, Cyclades, Sporades, Balearic and Ionian Islands .. who are normally considered by some as being Mediterranean folks .. as well as those who are not considered to be Mediterranean folks but who could be as they live in countries that touch the Mediterranean Sea .. Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Israel. Wish I could find the article I read some months back .. was somewhat scientific .. and one of the many points made in the article was that it was getting much more difficult to put out good information due to the requirement to be politically correct and not signify racial background when discussing medical issues amongst the average citizen of the Western World. But some of those who scream for political correctness use terms they will only scream at others for using .. like the NAACP and AIM. Mayhaps those who decided on that lable warning meant for it to include folks beyond those who call themselves African-Americans .. like those who came from Central and South America .. and other places. And I wonder if it should include Somalis, who are technically African-American but not Negros .. or others from North Africa, and even the American Seminoles .. who sometimes are not totally sure of their race. Or .. maybe it was blessed by the those organizations that scream for Political Correctness .. like the National Association for Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) .. and American Indian Movement (AIM). Sure can get confusing sometimes. ;-) Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Who .. has Welsh, German, Jewish and Cherokee blood for sure .. and like most folks whose families have lived in America for a long time, likely shares the blood of a couple of other groups/races .. and like most Americans, shouldn't really give a crap cause its behavior rather than ancestry that smart folks judge us by .. and like most Americans, also shouldn't give a crap how dumb folks judge me .. and like more Americans than some folks realize .. or some are willing to admit .. thinks that Political Correctness SUCKS .. BIG TIME .. ALL THE TIME .. and is not a viable solution for real or perceived Social problems! > " Irreversible peripheral neuropathy " is one of the warnings that > have recently been added to package inserts for this class of drugs. > > Jill McDanal <birthmamajill> wrote: > >> Levaquin is NOT recommended for Negroes or those of Mediterranean >> descent. Sorry about the antiquated term. But that is how the old >> texts read. These two races are particularly susceptible to >> problems that may or may not be reversible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 I've been reading and searching physician journals on the job for 15 years, and--right or wrong--they have not been in the habit of using " Negro " for at least that long. They use " African-American, " as you note, or " black. " So I expressed my surprise at learning that Jill had found the term used in discussion of a relatively new drug. (Possibly she read it in a nursing text or journal, in which style conventions tend to differ from doctorspeak.) It was an offhand remark in the context of an acknowledgment and I'm chagrined at the response it provoked. I am most definitely not interested in setting off a debate about racial terminology in medicine (let alone " PC " in general) on this list. A. , " Butch Owen " <butchbsi@s...> wrote: > > Howdy y'all, > > I see the last one made it. :-) > > > Gosh Jill, I'm pretty sure these drugs have not been around more > > than 15 years... would've thought such terminology had disappeared f > > from print well before that. Thanks for the interesting info though. > > I guess my Italian half succumbed. :-( > > Using a term like " Mediterranean descent " is kinda a mouthful as it > COULD include folks from Greece, Italy, Turkey, Sicily, Sardinia, > Crete, Corsica, North and South Cyprus, Malta, Rhodes, Gibraltar, and > the Dodecanese, Cyclades, Sporades, Balearic and Ionian Islands .. who > are normally considered by some as being Mediterranean folks .. as > well as those who are not considered to be Mediterranean folks but who > could be as they live in countries that touch the Mediterranean Sea .. > Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Israel. > > Wish I could find the article I read some months back .. was somewhat > scientific .. and one of the many points made in the article was that > it was getting much more difficult to put out good information due to > the requirement to be politically correct and not signify racial > background when discussing medical issues amongst the average citizen > of the Western World. > > But some of those who scream for political correctness use terms they > will only scream at others for using .. like the NAACP and AIM. > > Mayhaps those who decided on that lable warning meant for it to > include folks beyond those who call themselves African-Americans .. > like those who came from Central and South America .. and other places. > > And I wonder if it should include Somalis, who are technically > African-American but not Negros .. or others from North Africa, and > even the American Seminoles .. who sometimes are not totally sure of > their race. > > Or .. maybe it was blessed by the those organizations that scream for > Political Correctness .. like the National Association for Advancement > of Colored People (NAACP) .. and American Indian Movement (AIM). > > Sure can get confusing sometimes. ;-) > > Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com > > Who .. has Welsh, German, Jewish and Cherokee blood for sure .. and > like most folks whose families have lived in America for a long time, > likely shares the blood of a couple of other groups/races .. and like > most Americans, shouldn't really give a crap cause its behavior rather > than ancestry that smart folks judge us by .. and like most Americans, > also shouldn't give a crap how dumb folks judge me .. and like more > Americans than some folks realize .. or some are willing to admit .. > thinks that Political Correctness SUCKS .. BIG TIME .. ALL THE TIME .. > and is not a viable solution for real or perceived Social problems! > > > " Irreversible peripheral neuropathy " is one of the warnings that > > have recently been added to package inserts for this class of drugs. > > > > Jill McDanal <birthmamajill> wrote: > > > >> Levaquin is NOT recommended for Negroes or those of Mediterranean > >> descent. Sorry about the antiquated term. But that is how the old > >> texts read. These two races are particularly susceptible to > >> problems that may or may not be reversible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Levaquine and many of the quinolones have been around since the late 40's and were in wide use in Korea during the Korean War / confilict or what ever as anti - malarial. Specifically Levaquin and Cholorquin (spelling on this one) I suggest you got look up anti malarial in the PDR. This drug class is also responsible for Cipro - the anthrax drug that everyone was so hyped over after 9 - 11.. Since the word " Negro " is offensive - and I apologized for the use of the antiquated word, I just thought I would clarifiy with the definition of what I intended from www.dictionary.com Negro adj : relating to or characteristic of or being a member of the traditional racial division of mankind having brown to black pigmentation and tightly curled hair n : a person with dark skin who comes from Africa (or whose ancestors came from Africa) [syn: Black, Black person, blackamoor, Negro, Negroid] I did not want to be elitest and offend Africans with " African - American. " Negro was not meant as a flame or an ugly word. 15 years wouldn't be long enough to have seen the word " Negro " used in a medical text. 50 to 60 years would. What other word, praytell could I have used? Colored? (but everyone is colored) Non - White (whatever that is, I have never met a live " white " person in my entire life) ? What other term is there. Most of the Black folks around here think that " black " is an ugly word, but most of those folks are not " black " they are brown, tan, mocha, latte, chocholate, deep chocolate, etc. Political correctness is baffling 'em with bullshit while in hopes of not offending anyone. I ain't PC and don't care to be. Offense was taken, so defense was initiated. Jill Mc. Alabama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 , Jill McDanal <birthmamajill> wrote: > Levaquine and many of the quinolones have been around since the late 40's and were in wide use in Korea during the Korean War / confilict or what ever as anti - malarial. Specifically Levaquin and Cholorquin (spelling on this one) I suggest you got look up anti malarial in the PDR. Military medicine has its own formulary and its own rule book. I was talking about predominantly U.S.-based medical literature reflecting American civilian practice. The legitimate use of fluoroquinolones as antibiotics in the United States dates back less than 20 years. Cipro was initially approved for marketing by the FDA in 1987; Levaquin was unleashed 10 years later. > This drug class is also responsible for Cipro - the anthrax drug that everyone was so hyped over after 9 - 11.. Right. The anthrax perpetrator's crimes were not limited to murder, but also include a " boom generation " of fluoroquinolone cripples. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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