Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Jaime - thanks for answering - never heard that about castor oil, although I know that is supposed to work really well for poultices and stuff! Only reason I wouldn't probably use lemon or any citrus oil on my face is that I do a lot of stuff outside on the farm as well, and I know you can't expose your skin to the sun for what...24-36 hours after applying it? something like that - and I would never remember that :-) interesting about waht you said about the sloughing off of damaged layers..that's the exact first thought I had about it - an I was going to use my hand mit that I use in the bath to gently scrape my face and see if I can get the old off and on with the new! :-) Blessings, Pam TLC Naturally - Pure Essential Oils & Soaps http://www.tlcnaturally.com E Web Express - Design & Hosting Service http://www.ewebexpress.com Message: 12 Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:17:54 -0800 " Brian Jacobs " <jacobs.fam ? about Frankincense I wasn't aware that frankincense could be used for this purpose. I've read that castor oil works well, as does the juice of a fresh lemon. I've been using lemon juice and my sunspots (hormone spots, medication spots, whatever) are definitely lighter. The juice stings and I have to be careful not to get it on areas of normal pigmentation or they'll lighten up, too, but it's working faster than prescriptions ever did. As for your spots getting rough/dry, that is what happened whenever I used prescription remedies but that would go away when the new cells surfaced. Maybe frankincense has a double action--breaking up the excess melanin while sloughing off damaged layers. Have you tried *gently* scraping the roughened skin to speed it along? jaime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Just a quick note to tell those on this group who know me that the little book Wanda and myself wrote on Frankincense will soon be out of print and it will not be republished. Due to contractual problems with the new publishers, I refused permission for them to take over the contract. So if you want a copy grab em while you have the chance. By the way, details on my website but I do not carry stocks. Martin Watt http://www.aromamedical.com , " Pam " <pam@e...> wrote: > Jaime - thanks for answering - never heard that about castor oil, > although I know that is supposed to work really well for > poultices and stuff! Only reason I wouldn't probably use lemon or > any citrus oil on my face is that I do a lot of stuff outside on > the farm as well, and I know you can't expose your skin to the > sun for what...24-36 hours after applying it? something like > that - and I would never remember that :-) > > interesting about waht you said about the sloughing off of > damaged layers..that's the exact first thought I had about it - > an I was going to use my hand mit that I use in the bath to > gently scrape my face and see if I can get the old off and on > with the new! :-) > > Blessings, > Pam > > TLC Naturally - Pure Essential Oils & Soaps > http://www.tlcnaturally.com > E Web Express - Design & Hosting Service > http://www.ewebexpress.com > > > Message: 12 > Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:17:54 -0800 > " Brian Jacobs " <jacobs.fam@c...> > ? about Frankincense > > I wasn't aware that frankincense could be used for this purpose. > I've read that castor oil works well, as does the juice of a > fresh lemon. I've been using lemon juice and my sunspots (hormone > spots, medication spots, whatever) are definitely lighter. The > juice stings and I have to be careful not to get it on areas of > normal pigmentation or they'll lighten up, too, but it's working > faster than prescriptions ever did. > > As for your spots getting rough/dry, that is what happened > whenever I used prescription remedies but that would go away when > the new cells surfaced. Maybe frankincense has a double > action--breaking up the excess melanin while sloughing off > damaged layers. Have you tried *gently* scraping the roughened > skin to speed it along? > > jaime > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Hi Pam I've been quietly concerned about these postings and I'm REALLY late responding because I've been busy but here goes ... I wouldn't put any EOs neat on my face - mostly because my skin has flaked off in the past from doing just that. However, I wanted to add that Frankincense is very high (around 40%) in the EO chemicals monoterpenes (like the limonene in citrus oils which Frank also contains) so in theory it is photosensitising too. I don't know if this has been proven but no doubt the scientists around here can tell us. And if you 'scrape' your skin as you say ... you will remove the protective layers of keratin and expose more sensitive layers to the EOs ... I thought that age spots were permanent skin pigmentation things and will only fade with time and total sun protection ... in other words, we can help prevent them by not exposing skin to the sun but we can't actually get rid of them. I'm just concerned that carrying on the way you describe you may end up with something much worse on your skin. Kind regards. Jane - Pam Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:50 PM ! about Frankincense Jaime - thanks for answering - never heard that about castor oil, although I know that is supposed to work really well for poultices and stuff! Only reason I wouldn't probably use lemon or any citrus oil on my face is that I do a lot of stuff outside on the farm as well, and I know you can't expose your skin to the sun for what...24-36 hours after applying it? something like that - and I would never remember that :-) interesting about waht you said about the sloughing off of damaged layers..that's the exact first thought I had about it - an I was going to use my hand mit that I use in the bath to gently scrape my face and see if I can get the old off and on with the new! :-) Blessings, Pam TLC Naturally - Pure Essential Oils & Soaps http://www.tlcnaturally.com E Web Express - Design & Hosting Service http://www.ewebexpress.com Message: 12 Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:17:54 -0800 " Brian Jacobs " <jacobs.fam ? about Frankincense I wasn't aware that frankincense could be used for this purpose. I've read that castor oil works well, as does the juice of a fresh lemon. I've been using lemon juice and my sunspots (hormone spots, medication spots, whatever) are definitely lighter. The juice stings and I have to be careful not to get it on areas of normal pigmentation or they'll lighten up, too, but it's working faster than prescriptions ever did. As for your spots getting rough/dry, that is what happened whenever I used prescription remedies but that would go away when the new cells surfaced. Maybe frankincense has a double action--breaking up the excess melanin while sloughing off damaged layers. Have you tried *gently* scraping the roughened skin to speed it along? jaime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Reply to Jane >However, I wanted to add that Frankincense is very high (around 40%) in the EO chemicals monoterpenes (like the limonene in citrus oilswhich Frank also contains) so in theory it is photosensitising too.< I do not know where you got this information on chemistry from but it is all wrong. I sure would like to know if you got this from an aromatherapy teacher and who it was. There are thousands of monoterpenes and you cannot attribute specific therapeutic or safety information based on that vast group of chemicals. Photosensitisation has nothing to do with d-limonene (monoterpene), rather it is due to the furocoumarins. These waxes are not even in most distilled citrus oils, but are a dangerous ingredient of some expressed oils. There are no furocoumarins in frankincense oil and it is not a photosensitiser under normal conditions of use. You certainly are correct though about not applying undiluted essential oils to the face. Even dabbing tea tree on spots can cause peeling. Martin Watt http://www.aromamedical.com , <jane@a...> wrote: > Hi Pam > I've been quietly concerned about these postings and I'm REALLY late responding because I've been busy but here goes ... I wouldn't put any EOs neat on my face - mostly because my skin has flaked off in the past from doing just that. > However, I wanted to add that Frankincense is very high (around 40%) in the EO chemicals monoterpenes (like the limonene in citrus oils which Frank also contains) so in theory it is photosensitising too. I don't know if this has been proven but no doubt the scientists around here can tell us. > And if you 'scrape' your skin as you say ... you will remove the protective layers of keratin and expose more sensitive layers to the EOs ... > I thought that age spots were permanent skin pigmentation things and will only fade with time and total sun protection ... in other words, we can help prevent them by not exposing skin to the sun but we can't actually get rid of them. I'm just concerned that carrying on the way you describe you may end up with something much worse on your skin. > Kind regards. > Jane > - > Pam > > Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:50 PM > ! about Frankincense > > > Jaime - thanks for answering - never heard that about castor oil, > although I know that is supposed to work really well for > poultices and stuff! Only reason I wouldn't probably use lemon or > any citrus oil on my face is that I do a lot of stuff outside on > the farm as well, and I know you can't expose your skin to the > sun for what...24-36 hours after applying it? something like > that - and I would never remember that :-) > > interesting about waht you said about the sloughing off of > damaged layers..that's the exact first thought I had about it - > an I was going to use my hand mit that I use in the bath to > gently scrape my face and see if I can get the old off and on > with the new! :-) > > Blessings, > Pam > > TLC Naturally - Pure Essential Oils & Soaps > http://www.tlcnaturally.com > E Web Express - Design & Hosting Service > http://www.ewebexpress.com > > > Message: 12 > Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:17:54 -0800 > " Brian Jacobs " <jacobs.fam@c...> > ? about Frankincense > > I wasn't aware that frankincense could be used for this purpose. > I've read that castor oil works well, as does the juice of a > fresh lemon. I've been using lemon juice and my sunspots (hormone > spots, medication spots, whatever) are definitely lighter. The > juice stings and I have to be careful not to get it on areas of > normal pigmentation or they'll lighten up, too, but it's working > faster than prescriptions ever did. > > As for your spots getting rough/dry, that is what happened > whenever I used prescription remedies but that would go away when > the new cells surfaced. Maybe frankincense has a double > action--breaking up the excess melanin while sloughing off > damaged layers. Have you tried *gently* scraping the roughened > skin to speed it along? > > jaime > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 " Even dabbing tea tree on spots can cause peeling. " Course you forgot to mention that according to " Plant Aromatics " TT's also a sensitizer, much more so than most folk give it credit for. Just a little wake up poke in the side. Course for you, it would be that sharp elbow in the side just as you're falling asleep. ;-) Cheers! Kathleen Petrides The Woobey Queen The Warming Touch, Therapeutic Pillows http://www.woobeyworld.com > [Original Message] > aromamedical2003 <aromamedical-2 > > 12/6/2004 11:19:36 AM > Re: ! about Frankincense > > > > Reply to Jane > > >However, I wanted to add that Frankincense is very high (around 40%) > in the EO chemicals monoterpenes (like the limonene in citrus > oilswhich Frank also contains) so in theory it is photosensitising > too.< > > I do not know where you got this information on chemistry from but it > is all wrong. I sure would like to know if you got this from an > aromatherapy teacher and who it was. > > There are thousands of monoterpenes and you cannot attribute specific > therapeutic or safety information based on that vast group of > chemicals. Photosensitisation has nothing to do with d-limonene > (monoterpene), rather it is due to the furocoumarins. These waxes > are not even in most distilled citrus oils, but are a dangerous > ingredient of some expressed oils. There are no furocoumarins in > frankincense oil and it is not a photosensitiser under normal > conditions of use. > > You certainly are correct though about not applying undiluted > essential oils to the face. Even dabbing tea tree on spots can cause > peeling. > > Martin Watt > http://www.aromamedical.com > > > > , <jane@a...> wrote: > > Hi Pam > > I've been quietly concerned about these postings and I'm REALLY > late responding because I've been busy but here goes ... I wouldn't > put any EOs neat on my face - mostly because my skin has flaked off > in the past from doing just that. > > However, I wanted to add that Frankincense is very high (around > 40%) in the EO chemicals monoterpenes (like the limonene in citrus > oils which Frank also contains) so in theory it is photosensitising > too. I don't know if this has been proven but no doubt the scientists > around here can tell us. > > And if you 'scrape' your skin as you say ... you will remove the > protective layers of keratin and expose more sensitive layers to the > EOs ... > > I thought that age spots were permanent skin pigmentation things > and will only fade with time and total sun protection ... in other > words, we can help prevent them by not exposing skin to the sun but > we can't actually get rid of them. I'm just concerned that carrying > on the way you describe you may end up with something much worse on > your skin. > > Kind regards. > > Jane > > - > > Pam > > > > Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:50 PM > > ! about Frankincense > > > > > > Jaime - thanks for answering - never heard that about castor oil, > > although I know that is supposed to work really well for > > poultices and stuff! Only reason I wouldn't probably use lemon or > > any citrus oil on my face is that I do a lot of stuff outside on > > the farm as well, and I know you can't expose your skin to the > > sun for what...24-36 hours after applying it? something like > > that - and I would never remember that :-) > > > > interesting about waht you said about the sloughing off of > > damaged layers..that's the exact first thought I had about it - > > an I was going to use my hand mit that I use in the bath to > > gently scrape my face and see if I can get the old off and on > > with the new! :-) > > > > Blessings, > > Pam > > > > TLC Naturally - Pure Essential Oils & Soaps > > http://www.tlcnaturally.com > > E Web Express - Design & Hosting Service > > http://www.ewebexpress.com > > > > > > Message: 12 > > Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:17:54 -0800 > > " Brian Jacobs " <jacobs.fam@c...> > > ? about Frankincense > > > > I wasn't aware that frankincense could be used for this purpose. > > I've read that castor oil works well, as does the juice of a > > fresh lemon. I've been using lemon juice and my sunspots (hormone > > spots, medication spots, whatever) are definitely lighter. The > > juice stings and I have to be careful not to get it on areas of > > normal pigmentation or they'll lighten up, too, but it's working > > faster than prescriptions ever did. > > > > As for your spots getting rough/dry, that is what happened > > whenever I used prescription remedies but that would go away when > > the new cells surfaced. Maybe frankincense has a double > > action--breaking up the excess melanin while sloughing off > > damaged layers. Have you tried *gently* scraping the roughened > > skin to speed it along? > > > > jaime > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 I'm really sorry, Pam, for misleading you. Martin is quite right and I've learned a lesson in focussing on too many things at once and thinking before I press 'send'! I've been going back to basics recently and studying my EO chemistry again because it's something I found didn't stay in too well! I was reading about monoterpenes and how they oxidise so quickly and when they do they become unsuitable for skin use and can cause irritation and sensitisation. Limonene in particular has apparently been studied for its allergenic effects when oxidised - also as part of the upcoming EU legislation on fragrance (and therefore EO) components. I was thinking this through to oils other than the citruses that are high in these chemicals and which we sometimes don't think of as oxidising quickly ... juniper, pine, black pepper ... and frankincense came to mind too. I got this all mixed up with photo-sensitising which of course is due to the action of coumarins such as bergaptene. Thank you, Martin, for bringing this to light (pun intended!) Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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