AFNOR & GC or GC/MS

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Butch, we love that you cared enough to archive this info, and with new

members, the basics need to be said..

 

Your doing a fantastic job of educating us, I am so much wiser for knowing

you, and yer jokes ain't bad either..

 

Carol

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" Butch Owen " <butchbsi

 

Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:25 PM

AFNOR & GC or GC/MS

 

 

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> Hey y'all,

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> Sometimes I think I waste my time making such posts because the same

> questions come back later .. like a bad penny. Below is a post I made

> to his list in January 2004. Butch

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Hey y'all,

 

Sometimes I think I waste my time making such posts because the same

questions come back later .. like a bad penny. Below is a post I made

to his list in January 2004. Butch

 

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Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:06:53 -0800

Butch Owen <ButchBsi

 

AFNOR & GC or GC/MS

 

 

Hey Pam,

 

I'm still not getting mail from but I checked the list and my

Test Message made it .. so I'll send this one now.

 

> I've been trying to decipher the two claims of Afnor/Iso

> certification and GC/MS analysis

 

I think you are asking what do Young Living INDEPENDENT distributors

mean when they claim YL is AFNOR & ISO Certified. I don't think the

Official YL site claims it.

 

Then you ask what Gas Chromatography (GC) & GC/Mass Spectrometry is.

That's a different animal and I'll answer that in later post cause

its in the 2003 archives of this list but I think I'll have to redo

it as they don't go back that far.

 

There is no connection between the above two claims .. nor do Young

Living INDEPENDENT distributors make any claims about YL oils being GC

or GC/MS tested .. they just claim:

 

" Oils can go through five separate levels of analysis before they are

released. " UNQUOTE But I don't see that on the YL Official Site.

 

The claim means nothing .. its nonsense .. wording that's intended to

impress those who are easily impressed and have ZERO knowledge about EO

or production or testing. Nor does it say that the oils DO GO THROUGH

five separate levels of testing .. it says that they CAN. But even

that's not correct because there are umpteen levels of analysis oils CAN

go through .. the higher the level the more costly it is and in this

industry getting past GC or GC/MS is RARE even for the most costly EO.

 

If Young Living even does GC and/or GC/MS testing they can't prove it.

Is there ONE YL devotee or ONE person who has purchased from them on the

Oils & Herbs list .. who can say they have EVER received a GC or GC/MS

from YL? If there is .. please speak out now.

 

> can someone explain in layman's terms please??

 

In layman's terms .. it would be .. Bovine Excrement .. or Hawgwash ..

or Marketing Hype. Like most of the claims made on YL INDEPENDENT

Distributor sites .. claims that they don't even understand and can't

explain the meaning of if you ask them. Keep in mind that there are

few YL Distributors who are knowledgeable about Essential Oils .. this

is because knowledgeable folks CANNOT tolerate such BS nor would they

pass it along .. unless they're willing to sell their own integrity.

 

But I'll tell you about AFNOR and ISO ...

 

AFNOR means Association Francaise de Normalisation .. a French outfit

at http://www.afnor.fr/ .. which has nothing to do with products sold

in the USA .. or even in the EU for that matter. Which is enough in

itself to cause me to disregard it.

 

Their mission statement reads as follows:

 

" Today AFNOR is a Services Group whose objective is to guarantee the

competitiveness and influence of the French standardisation system

within the context of the construction of Europe and the globalisation

of the economy. " UNQUOTE

 

Its all about standardization in France and ensuring they can maintain

the position they see themselves as holding now .. that of being the

Center of the Universe. It has nothing to do with determining quality

or purity of essential oils .. except maybe in France. AFNOR does not

test or certify essential oils, especially for Therapeutic properties,

as is often claimed by YL. If you don't read French, then just click

English in the upper left corner of the .. and search.

 

Back when Young Living had the Frenchman .. Dr. Peneol .. in their hip

pocket .. afore he and Gary Young had a falling out .. as Young has had

with everyone he's ever brought in .. Peneol (I am told) told Young all

about AFNOR certification needed to sell in France .. and Young started

telling his INDEPENDENT Distributors he had it. Even if he did, which

I don't believe, it would mean no more than if I said my oils have been

seen and blessed by the Pope, the Hezbulla, NAACP, AKC, KKK, KFC and

Ducks Unlimited. Its simply a claim to impress the impressionable.

 

Martin Watt has written to me .. about AFNOR:

 

" Most of the French standards agencies are private companies who say to

their Government departments that they will abide by set standards. If

any French bureaucrat gets off their tail and actually does any

inspection I have grave doubts. Certainly the French OG system is a

sham. The genuine Spanish OG grower that I know had a nightmare trying

to find an honest OG certification organisation in France, Spain or

Italy and they failed. One of these associations issued an OG

certificate but did not even know what the oil was that she was writing

the certificate for. " UNQUOTE from Martin ... and OG meaning Organic

 

ISO .. is the International Organization for Standardization ..

http://www.iso.org/iso/en/ISOOnline.frontpage

 

ISO assigns ISO this and that seal to products like my Rose Petal Jam.

They can inspect the factory and ensure that the production is identical

from month to month and year to year and meets their standards for

hygiene and safety and truth in advertising and such. I would expect

that the French 40-42 manipulated Lavender could receive both AFNOR

and ISO stamps of approval cause each batch is identical .. man in his

laboratory ensures this. But man can't ensure standardization of EO

each year cause there are too many variables thrown in by Mama Nature.

 

ISO dictates standards for packaging, storage, labeling, testing,

determination of certain totally unnecessary things like esthers,

phenyls, etc., and demand MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheets) .. which

is another thing some companies try to pass off as an indication of

quality and purity .. but which has NOTHING to do with it .. as MSDS

are standard for a particular product and are used primarily by

transporters and fire fighters to determine hazardous conditions.

 

I've never seen an ISO seal of approval on the purity and quality of EO

from the USA or any other country .. nor do I think its within the

purview of ISO to grant such approval to EO from any country. And I

think there is probably no need for ISO seals of any products in the US

unless one plans to sell foods, etc. to the EU. I don't have such ISO

approval and I sell essential oils to many folks in the EU.

 

Martin Watt has written to me .. about ISO:

 

" They are not set up to " give a seal of approval " to any essential oils.

Instead they used to publish ISO standards which were so weak anyone

could make an oil fit them by mixing the chemicals in their garage!

Even now most of their standards for essential oils are pretty much a

trade joke because some of the people involved in setting the standards

also trade in essential oils-need I say more! They are simply a set of

chemical criteria you should meet to be able to call your oil " lavender "

but ISO have no means to police this or much else for that matter. "

UNQUOTE .. from Martin.

 

Might be interesting if someone who likes to uncover facts were to do a

good search to see if YL has an ISO code .. or is a member of AFNOR.

My Rose Petal Jam has a code .. I think its ISO-9004 or something like

that .. those who have ISO certified seals display them on products.

 

On the Official YL site http://www.youngliving.us/ .. I note that MR.

Young no longer calls himself Dr. Young .. he lists his name as D. Gary

Young, ND .. meaning he has decided to continue to use the mail order

Naturopathy certificate he purchased .. I see NO CLAIMS to AFNOR or ISO

Certified status .. which leads me to believe that this is one more of

the scam marketing schemes YL uses .. at the expense of the INDEPENDENT

distributors .. it works like this.

 

For the RECORD .. YL tells their folks DO THIS and DO NOT DO THIS and

THAT .. and it is for the record .. in writing. But then they get them

in a closed session and spread so much bovine excrement that the

groupies decide they must include that info on their personal YL sites.

If someone gets caught with their pants down by the FCC they're on their

own because they are INDEPENDENT distributors and the misinformation is

their fault.

 

I did a search for AFNOR and ISO on the Official YL site ... nothing to

be found. If any of you are better at searching than I am .. please

enlighten me and tell me where the Official Site claims AFNOR or ISO

certification.

 

I do see that they claim to sell only organically grown oils .. and I

guess they are interpreting Wild Grown as organically grown cause some

plants from which oils are extracted are rarely cultivated.

 

I see they have markets in 20 different foreign countries .. I have

buyers in 65 different countries outside the USA .. so pzzzzzz. ;-p

 

I see where he has learned to override the rules of physics by finding

a way to distill at low temperatures.

 

I see where he claims to have been crippled in 1973 .. even though that

has been proven false .. with statements from his own family.

 

> thanks

> Pam

 

Welcome you are .. and keep smiling. :-) http://www.AV-AT.com

 

Butch .. whose oils are GC or GC/MS tested and who will give you a copy

of the test .. and whose oils are approved and blessed by Mustafa and

Ali and the gals who work at the Oriental Club I frequent when I wanna

hear some Arabesque Muzik and watch a fine belly-dancer do her thing.

They're also approved by friends in Amman, Jordan .. Mogafriggindishu,

Somalia .. Cubi Point, Philippines .. my crew on the river .. buddies

in Oslo, Moscow, Madrid, Malta and Jerusalem .. my Black podner, Ernie,

from the NAACP .. the fishes in the deep blue sea .. and Asla .. who is

one sexy little Oriental Dancer. Their photos are below. ;-p

 

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