Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 >I do not know your credentials or areas of study.< Plenty on my website on that and it has been there since 1996. http://www.aromamedical.com >I think that there is hype in all arenas, including< >medical/scientific.< Couldn't agree more, but I get wound up by the hype in complementary therapies used to fool the public into buying scam products. By the way, that is NOT what Anya was on about so don't take that wrong. >I also disagree with your blanket statement that the word " detoxify " < >is a quaint old-fashioned term. Qualify that statement.< The term is grossly misleading when used by many comp. med. therapists. It is commonly used to cover up lack of real knowledge on how the body works. Only this evening I caught a TV program where a woman was being covered in seaweed paste and was told by the beautician that it would " detoxify " her. Total crap! Another therapist was performing lymphatic massage and was also using the detoxify word. Lymphatic massage has many benefits particularly for those with damaged drainage channels such as after cancer treatments. However, in this case we had a perfectly healthy woman who was being shot a heap of garbage to justify a costly treatment. >I have dug and researched enough to believe for myself that choline< >does repair liver damage< This group is supposed to be about herbs and allied therapies. I cannot comment on chemical treatments which is what choline is. In my eyes any isolated chemicals should be treated and tested in the same way as drugs. That even holds good for vitamin and mineral therapies as few of them are " natural " in dosage and often in what they are made from. All the quotes Andrea gave are to chemical supplements. A few herbs such as Milk thistle and Dandelion do have some testing to indicate they help support liver function. If they actually repair damage though I very much doubt. A reasonably normal liver repairs itself quite happily without any outside intervention. The liver is so well equipped to repair itself that you can cut large chunks out and it still works fine. What herbs do is provide the body with the tools (complex chemicals) to help it repair itself. So to clarify, what I object to is the use of the word " detoxify " as a catch all without proper qualification as to what is meant. Getting back to the question on allergies; I do not know of any sound evidence to support the suggestion that by stimulating the liver you can force it to remove one type of antibodies rather than another. If this philosophy were correct, I reckon we would all suffer flu and suchlike after having a " liver cleanse " because you would reduce the antibodies that fight infections as well. Since any bitter taste in the mouth stimulates the liver, then watch out Butch you are heading for trouble, all that beer will knock out all of your antibodies. Strange he is so healthy after 40 years of beer drinking. Martin Watt , " Andrea " <itsmedrea1@c...> wrote: > > --- " aromamedical2003 " wrote: > > Thought I better post this direct as I was a bit concerned over > > recent exchanges between Anya and Butch over the sensitisation > > issues. It is wrong for anyone to think they can use hazardous > > essential oils because in time any sensitisation they get (or give) > > might wear off. Much safer to avoid the hazardous oils altogether. > > > > With allergy treatments you cannot lump all types of allergic > > reactions into one basket. Sensitisation and allergies are a vastly > > complicated subject with a huge spectrum of symptoms and treatments > > available: > > <snip> > > > >The lymph system is the hardest stronghold to detoxify,< > > Whenever I see words such as " detoxify " this sends shivers down my > > spine. It is a quaint old fashioned term that means absolutely > > nothing. The liver processes unwanted metabolites (not necessarily > > toxins). There are few " toxins " in normal lymph for it > > to " detoxify " . What is does is reprocesses tissues and fluids to > > extract what the body can reuse and ejects what is can't use or that > > could be hazardous. Therefore the term " detoxifies " is > inappropriate and smacks of beauty therapy hype. > > > > Here is a question that I can't answer: > > Antibodies trigger an allergic reaction in someone sensitised to an > > essential oil. Other antibodies are vital in our defense against > > invasion by infections. If you over stimulate the liver to process > > the lymph fluid more efficiently, what useful antibodies might you > > remove along with the ones you don't want? I do not think the liver > > can distinguish between useful and not useful antibodies, but perhaps > > I am wrong. Anyone got any ideas? > > > I do not know your credentials or areas of study. > > I myself research what is written/studied by others, solely for myself > and my family. I do a lot of research. > > I have always tended to be suspect of traditional " medical " and > " scientific " study/findings and what they promote as fact. > > I think that there is hype in all arenas, including > medical/scientific. There is so much touted as " truth " and I, for > one, have grown so sick of it all. > > I also disagree with your blanket statement that the word " detoxify " > is a quaint old-fashioned term. Qualify that statement. > > What about detoxification by choline? Some, I have seen, refer to it > in that manner. Others I have seen refer to it as repairing liver > damage caused by toxic drugs and chemicals. I have dug and researched > enough to believe for myself that choline does repair liver damage. I > accept that as truth. > > " Methionine works with choline to detoxify amines which are byproducts > of protein metabolism. " Earl L Mindell R.Ph., PhD > > A major function of Vitamin C is its " non-specific role as a > detoxifying agent " . Porter, C.C., et al., Arch. Biochem. 18, 339, 1948 > > I could provide many more quotes. > > 1948..... 1948 > > This term is not a new one --and I do not believe that Anya s > to any " beauty therapy hype " . > > Andrea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Okay Martin, You are really on my list! I didn't even finish reading your reply because I got so upset! You sure do jump to a lot of conclusions! Okay folks... what Andrea really listed there were just some references to the word " detoxify " and actually I did not list chemical supplements!!! What I pulled it from is in reference to *natural* substances, ie, a good source of choline is lecithin! Vitamin C --a chemical substance? Even when it comes from food sources? Okay Martin, even your herbs are made up of various chemical compounds. I have to go back and finish reading now because (okay maybe a little later when I can handle it) I still don't understand your point. And by the way, I'm pretty sure that Anya did not even mention that the treatment she used was herbal. Could have been a diet/change in the way she ate. Andrea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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