Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Okay, this is from my best friend. Right off the bat I told her that if she is worried, see a quack. However as she only goes when she is in screaming pain or when her child has to go (child is now 21, so GUESS how often she goes), it's not likely she's going anytime soon. Her question is as the following ramble goes. She's 48.5 years old and for the past couple of years, her period underwent a radical change. Up until two years ago it was regular as the tides, 5 days it was over. No unusual bleeds.. everything hunky dorey. Two years ago it changed. Now the first 36 hours it's a total FLOOD, she says it's pretty nasty with clots and all, and the other three are just spotting if anything... She's wondering if this is the onset of menopause or something else. No other symptoms of menopause. I yelled, " It's been going on for two years and you're just NOW asking whats up? Daft Broad! Go see a quack! " Of course she doesn't want to so I said I would pass this along as I knew there are nurses and medical type around. Anyone care to pass any thing on to my ditzy friend? I can't help her from personal experience so any advice would be helpful (one of the things I throw in her face is that I'm a year and a half YOUNGER than she is, she counters with " That's alright, you're still SHORT " , ROFLMAO!) I'll be back later to check for replies, I'm dealing with another blaste dMigraine K Cheers! Kathleen Petrides The Woobey Queen The loving touch therapeutic pillow. http://www.woobeyworld.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 , " Woobey Queen " <WoobeyQueen@e...> wrote: > Okay, this is from my best friend. Right off the bat I told her that if she > is worried, see a quack. However as she only goes when she is in screaming > pain or when her child has to go (child is now 21, so GUESS how often she > goes), it's not likely she's going anytime soon. > > Her question is as the following ramble goes. > > She's 48.5 years old and for the past couple of years, her period underwent > a radical change. Up until two years ago it was regular as the tides, 5 > days it was over. No unusual bleeds.. everything hunky dorey. > > Two years ago it changed. Now the first 36 hours it's a total FLOOD, she > Kathleen Petrides > The Woobey Queen > The loving touch therapeutic pillow. > http://www.woobeyworld.com While I have no experience with that to glean anything from, I also have no idea what medications/drugs... this person is using. My first thought was " endometriosis " . Here are links to many of Dr Mercola's articles regarding this. I would just pass these on to her. Oops... OK, it won't allow me to paste that long link but I just typed in " menstruation excessive bleeding " at Mercola's site at www.mercola.com HTH! Andrea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Kathleen, Yes, that's how it can go with menopause. However, she needs to have Pap's etc. Planned Parenthood is great to be with when it comes to menopausal issues, they have great check-ups and the Pap's are very reasonable. At least in my area. I had better check-ups with them and advice than OB-Gyn guys. With most women, menopause is a very drawn out thing, when it comes to menstrual cycles. Our baby machine is shutting down and does it in increments...sputtering... Have her check with the other females in her family from her mothers side, often the way menopause progresses 'runs' in families. C-M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 I would say absolutely go see a doctor. It sounds exactly like reliving my own experience with menopause. If this is what it is then other symptoms can't be too far behind. It wasn't fun and I wouldn't want to do it again. There are also other things that could be going on so I would run not walk to someone who can find out what it is. Paws and Smell the Flowers: Evelyn www.alternasense.com<http://www.alternasense.com/> - Woobey Queen<WoobeyQueen < > Monday, November 29, 2004 8:48 PM Menopause question; Maybe Okay, this is from my best friend. Right off the bat I told her that if she is worried, see a quack. However as she only goes when she is in screaming pain or when her child has to go (child is now 21, so GUESS how often she goes), it's not likely she's going anytime soon. Her question is as the following ramble goes. She's 48.5 years old and for the past couple of years, her period underwent a radical change. Up until two years ago it was regular as the tides, 5 days it was over. No unusual bleeds.. everything hunky dorey. Two years ago it changed. Now the first 36 hours it's a total FLOOD, she says it's pretty nasty with clots and all, and the other three are just spotting if anything... She's wondering if this is the onset of menopause or something else. No other symptoms of menopause. I yelled, " It's been going on for two years and you're just NOW asking whats up? Daft Broad! Go see a quack! " Of course she doesn't want to so I said I would pass this along as I knew there are nurses and medical type around. Anyone care to pass any thing on to my ditzy friend? I can't help her from personal experience so any advice would be helpful (one of the things I throw in her face is that I'm a year and a half YOUNGER than she is, she counters with " That's alright, you're still SHORT " , ROFLMAO!) I'll be back later to check for replies, I'm dealing with another blaste dMigraine K Cheers! Kathleen Petrides The Woobey Queen The loving touch therapeutic pillow. http://www.woobeyworld.com<http://www.woobeyworld.com/> Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves: http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html<http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html> To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join<\ /join> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 This is what's worked for me. 1. Cut down on the caffeine (can make you bleed more) 2. Cut down (or greatly eliminate) red meat 3. Vitex, *wonderful stuff* (elixir form, one teaspoon into a little bit of warm water, drink down) 4. Black Cohosh 5. Evening Primrose 6. Eat organically as much as possible. 7. Watch out for spicey foods during the time one usually menstruates (increases bleeding too) It's been my experience that the body (uterus) begins to clean itself, it seems, round the time peri-menopause begins. Heavy cycles (clots) can also have to do with the body's signals from the body's " signaling mechanism " changing. ~ Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Hi Kathleen, Your friend could be dealing with the first stages of menopause, but it could also be a fibroid or fibroids. These are tumors in the muscular layer of the uterus. I know that they can cause heavy bleeding with menstruation. It sounds definitely like some type of hormonal imbalance. She would more than likely need an abdominal ultrasound though, and some lab work to really come up with a conclusion. Best of luck to her.....I know how she feels about going to see a " quack " <VBG>, I'm kinda in the same boat about going myself. Kelly > - > Woobey Queen<WoobeyQueen > < > > Monday, November 29, 2004 8:48 PM > Menopause question; Maybe > > > Okay, this is from my best friend. Right off the bat I told her that if > she > is worried, see a quack. However as she only goes when she is in > screaming > pain or when her child has to go (child is now 21, so GUESS how often she > goes), it's not likely she's going anytime soon. > > Her question is as the following ramble goes. > > She's 48.5 years old and for the past couple of years, her period > underwent > a radical change. Up until two years ago it was regular as the tides, 5 > days it was over. No unusual bleeds.. everything hunky dorey. > > Two years ago it changed. Now the first 36 hours it's a total FLOOD, she > says it's pretty nasty with clots and all, and the other three are just > spotting if anything... She's wondering if this is the onset of menopause > or something else. No other symptoms of menopause. > > I yelled, " It's been going on for two years and you're just NOW asking > whats up? Daft Broad! Go see a quack! " Of course she doesn't want to so I > said I would pass this along as I knew there are nurses and medical type > around. Anyone care to pass any thing on to my ditzy friend? > > I can't help her from personal experience so any advice would be helpful > (one of the things I throw in her face is that I'm a year and a half > YOUNGER than she is, she counters with " That's alright, you're still > SHORT " , ROFLMAO!) > > I'll be back later to check for replies, I'm dealing with another blaste > dMigraine > > K > > Cheers! > Kathleen Petrides > The Woobey Queen > The loving touch therapeutic pillow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 She needs to see an OB/GYN I've known people with the same symptoms and one of them had cervical cancer,and another had a large cyst on one of her ovaries. It could be menopause, but it could also be alot of other things. She needs to see an OB/GYN ASAP !!! Paula ........in Michigan Coming soon Farm Fresh Soaps & Candles - Woobey Queen Monday, November 29, 2004 8:48 PM Menopause question; Maybe Okay, this is from my best friend. Right off the bat I told her that if she is worried, see a quack. However as she only goes when she is in screaming pain or when her child has to go (child is now 21, so GUESS how often she goes), it's not likely she's going anytime soon. Her question is as the following ramble goes. She's 48.5 years old and for the past couple of years, her period underwent a radical change. Up until two years ago it was regular as the tides, 5 days it was over. No unusual bleeds.. everything hunky dorey. Two years ago it changed. Now the first 36 hours it's a total FLOOD, she says it's pretty nasty with clots and all, and the other three are just spotting if anything... She's wondering if this is the onset of menopause or something else. No other symptoms of menopause. I yelled, " It's been going on for two years and you're just NOW asking whats up? Daft Broad! Go see a quack! " Of course she doesn't want to so I said I would pass this along as I knew there are nurses and medical type around. Anyone care to pass any thing on to my ditzy friend? I can't help her from personal experience so any advice would be helpful (one of the things I throw in her face is that I'm a year and a half YOUNGER than she is, she counters with " That's alright, you're still SHORT " , ROFLMAO!) I'll be back later to check for replies, I'm dealing with another blaste dMigraine K Cheers! Kathleen Petrides The Woobey Queen The loving touch therapeutic pillow. http://www.woobeyworld.com Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves: http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 I agree with Paula, menopause is a good guess, but I was told I was going through menopause when I was 30 and Drs. couldn't figure out what was wrong with me, of course me cursing out the Dr. first because it was a woman neurologist and second she found out I have 2 uterus' stopped testing me and blamed hormones, somehow from another woman it was more insulting- a hormone test ruled that out pretty quick,took 2 years to get me back to a Dr. that correctly diagnosed my PD. I am 35 and I have many of the same symptoms Kathleen describes - try to convince your friend to get to the Dr. I am not going through the change its cancer. Gea , " Paula Coon " <paulacoon@e...> wrote: > She needs to see an OB/GYN I've known people with the same symptoms and one of them had cervical cancer,and another had a large cyst on one of her ovaries. It could be menopause, but it could also be alot of other things. She needs to see an OB/GYN ASAP !!! > Paula ........in Michigan > Coming soon Farm Fresh Soaps & Candles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Kathleen wrote: She's 48.5 years old and for the past couple of years, her period underwent a radical change. Up until two years ago it was regular as the tides, 5 days it was over. No unusual bleeds.. everything hunky dorey. Two years ago it changed. Now the first 36 hours it's a total FLOOD, she says it's pretty nasty with clots and all, and the other three are just spotting if anything... She's wondering if this is the onset of menopause or something else. No other symptoms of menopause. Hi Kathleen, At 48.5, your friend is very definitely perimenopausal, meaning she has begun her transition into menopause. The first symptom of the onset of perimenopause is a change in the cycles. This is due to a drop of progesterone -- the first hormone to change. Our body has been accustomed to a fine balance of estrogen and progesterone for many years. So, when progesterone drops, the estrogen goes " unopposed " and symptoms of estrogen dominance begin. These are SO uncomfortable and often scarey for women. They often think they are too young to be going through " the change " so they get frightened by the symptoms, when they are indeed very natural. An excess of estrogen is very likely the reason for your friends heavy flow with clotting, etc. This unopposed estrogen is also the cause of uterine fibroids, which are very common in perimenopausal women (these will go away as estrogen drops, closer to actual meno). Estrogen dominance, if not balanced, can cause other complications including breast and uterine cancers and ovarian cysts. But, fortunately, it's easy to create a balance with natural progesterone and phytoestrogens, diet and supplementation with vitamins and herbs. Of course, if your friend is concerned, she might want to have an ultrasound done and hormone testing. (Saliva testing is the most accurate, but regular Dr's don't do them. For a blood test, be sure to test for " unbound " hormones, as typical blood draws are NOT accurate). Fibroids are likely present. Unfortunately, many MD's will suggest a hysterectomy immediately when it is NOT necessary. Assure her that these are normal and can be treated without surgery. What your friend needs most right now is a good quality progesterone cream. Not all are created equal, and it's important to use a good one. My favorite is at http://www.organicexcellence.com She might also look into bioidentical hormones. Please invite your friend to contact me personally if she would like and I would be happy to help her further. All the best, Michelle http://www.holisticmenopause.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Gea, I am so sorry to hear this. My oldest daughter (she turned 30 last July) wouldn't go back for her yearly pap after the birth of her last son (he's now 9). She started having the same problems listed in the post I responded to. We almost lost her last year to complications from her second surgery for cervical cancer. Most women don't understand how very important those yearly pap spears are. Your life could depend on having it done !! Paula ........in Michigan Coming soon Farm Fresh Soaps & Candles I am not going through the change its cancer. Gea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 , " Susan K. W. " <greyloran1> wrote: > > > This is what's worked for me. > > 1. Cut down on the caffeine (can make you bleed more) > 2. Cut down (or greatly eliminate) red meat > 3. Vitex, *wonderful stuff* (elixir form, one teaspoon into a little > bit of warm water, drink down) > 4. Black Cohosh > 5. Evening Primrose > 6. Eat organically as much as possible. > 7. Watch out for spicey foods during the time one usually menstruates > (increases bleeding too) A couple of questions... as I have been fighting hot flashes for a couple of years now. Re black cohosh and evening primose, are you referring to capsules? Re vitex, can it be purchased as an elixir? Or capsules? Or are you referring to a teaspoon of the EO in a little water? TIA! -- Sandy Shop for everyone on your holiday list at Sannicron Gifts 'n' More! Get 20% off your entire order with this voucher code: 4120401989W http://www.sannicron.com/giftsnmore/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 --- " Michelle " wrote: > > Kathleen wrote: She's 48.5 years old and for the past couple of > years, her period underwent a radical change. Up until two years ago > it was regular as the tides, 5 days it was over. No unusual bleeds.. > everything hunky dorey. > > Two years ago it changed. Now the first 36 hours it's a total FLOOD, > she says it's pretty nasty with clots and all, and the other three > are just spotting if anything... She's wondering if this is the > onset of menopause or something else. No other symptoms of menopause. > > Hi Kathleen, > > At 48.5, your friend is very definitely perimenopausal, meaning she > has begun her transition into menopause. > > The first symptom of the onset of perimenopause is a change in the > cycles. This is due to a drop of progesterone -- the first hormone > to change. > > Our body has been accustomed to a fine balance of estrogen and > progesterone for many years. So, when progesterone drops, the > estrogen goes " unopposed " and symptoms of estrogen dominance begin. > These are SO uncomfortable and often scarey for women. They often > think they are too young to be going through " the change " so they > get frightened by the symptoms, when they are indeed very natural. > > An excess of estrogen is very likely the reason for your friends > heavy flow with clotting, etc. This unopposed estrogen is also the > cause of uterine fibroids, which are very common in perimenopausal > women (these will go away as estrogen drops, closer to actual meno). > > Estrogen dominance, if not balanced, can cause other complications > including breast and uterine cancers and ovarian cysts. But, > fortunately, it's easy to create a balance with natural progesterone > and phytoestrogens, diet and supplementation with vitamins and herbs. Hi Michelle, I agree with what you have written, except to say that Estrogen dominance can occur because of diet and other factors --and a woman is not necessarily perimenopausal or menopausal. I therefore would not say that she is " definitely " perimenopausal. She may just indeed be definitely estrogen dominant and have other factors going on. For some women, just correcting their diet and the progesterone/estrogen balance is enough. Then again there can be other things going on as you said cancer, growths, tumorsm, endometriosis... It all depends upon how willing this woman is in finding out/digging to get real good information. How many times have we heard about women who so totally trust the traditional medical doctors who tell them " when there is any doubt --cut it out!! " and go through a hysterectomy? They don't get much more information from the doctor other than " let's cut it out! " Oh, and just an aside... magnesium is so important to a woman's health. What we know as 'chocolate cravings' are actually the body's demand for magnesium. One ounce of chocolate has 88 mg of magnesium, raw sunflower seed -1 oz 100 mg, pumpkin seeds -1 oz 152 mg. Most women are deficient in magnesium and there can be so many factors leading to that, or it can be very simple. I really believe that her friend has to " want " to find out about her own health.... I really think that the only meaningful thing she can pass on to her is that there is a lot more information and choices and solutions out there than a traditional medical doctor will give her. It will depend upon her willingness to actually find out about it herself. Someone lecturing her or doing all of the research for her and passing it on won't do anything if this person isn't *interested* in it. I have found that out. It can be upsetting when it is someone you care about and they aren't interested at looking at anything other than the medical doctor's viewpoint. Andrea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Hey K! Sorry to hear your friend is having trouble..... and so, on I go to give my 2 cents...for what it's worth. I'd always had problems with my periods....from day one. I'd either have too many periods, or not enough. I was told I'd never have children because I didn't ovulate. (I did ovulate....just not when most women do) Then after I'd had my children..... several years after my last one....I developed the problems your friend has described. My pap smears kept coming back abnormal.....and the periods kept getting worse.....imagine your friend's situation....only a bit worse. I won't go into details. My doctor and I had tried everything to regulate the periods....to no avail. At the age of 28....I had to have an emergency hysterectomy. I was literally bleeding to death. My hemoglobin level had dropped drastically, and they were discussing blood transfusions....and a little bit of everything else. Scared me silly. Since I was so young, my insurance didn't want to pay for the surgery....my doctor had to really fight them. A few hours before my surgery, he told us that if the insurance wouldn't pay, he'd do the surgery 'free of charge', and we could make some kind of arrangements on the hospital bill. So, there was no doubt to me, that my doctor believed the surgery was needed to save my life. Ok....very long story, and more than anyone probably wanted or needed to know! However, at some point....you know your own body, and if your friend feels that something isn't right....she's more than likely right! I hope she'll consider going to see a 'quack'. Every now and then you luck up and find one that isn't bad. (Must confess my 'quack' was super great!) Hopefully it's only the beginning of menopause...or perimenopause....or whatever ya want to call it. I have a friend that calls it " little bitty puppy feet " (ie: 'mini' paws) Best of luck to your friend..... Candy in AL -- Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release 11/24/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 " C. Lucas " <cdlucas wrote: So, there was no doubt to me, that my doctor believed the surgery was needed to save my life. Thanks for sharing that story. A good reminder that sometimes the allopathic system is the one with the answers. Christiane Northrup has great advice, and here is another MD who wrote a splendid book: " Take Charge of Your Body " by Dr Carolyn DeMarco. Wonderful sections on menopause, fibroids, whyhysterectomy is more than taking out a spare part and when it may be the best option. Ien in the Kootenays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 I am not going through the change its cancer. Gea Gea, How have you decided to fight it? Whichever way you are going, there are so many natural ways to better your chances. ien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Kathleen, I was the same as her--regular periods until the last 5 years of my reprodtuctive live!! Then I bled very heavily for the first few days of my period and then nothing!! I reached menopause at 55 years old. I am a retired Occupational Therapy Asst..... Bonnie > > She's 48.5 years old and for the past couple of years, her period underwent > a radical change. Up until two years ago it was regular as the tides, 5 > days it was over. No unusual bleeds.. everything hunky dorey. > > Two years ago it changed. Now the first 36 hours it's a total FLOOD, she > says it's pretty nasty with clots and all, and the other three are just > spotting if anything... She's wondering if this is the onset of menopause > or something else. No other symptoms of menopause. > > I yelled, " It's been going on for two years and you're just NOW asking > whats up? Daft Broad! Go see a quack! " Of course she doesn't want to so I > said I would pass this along as I knew there are nurses and medical type > around. Anyone care to pass any thing on to my ditzy friend? > > I can't help her from personal experience so any advice would be helpful > (one of the things I throw in her face is that I'm a year and a half > YOUNGER than she is, she counters with " That's alright, you're still > SHORT " , ROFLMAO!) > > I'll be back later to check for replies, I'm dealing with another blaste > dMigraine > > K > > Cheers! > Kathleen Petrides > The Woobey Queen > The loving touch therapeutic pillow. > http://www.woobeyworld.com Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves: http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Gea, I am also so very sorry to hear this. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Paws and Smell the Flowers: Evelyn www.alternasense.com<http://www.alternasense.com/> I am not going through the change its cancer. Gea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Gea, I apologize. I missed this earlier. My prayers to you too. Don't ever hesitate to reach out for support. Lots of good natural ways to support your healing, as I'm sure you know. Postitive thoughts, affirmations, prayer and visualization, IMHO, are as important as any medication or remedy you can take. I call it " mind medicine " . Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Funny what you can learn and from where. 3 1/2 years ago I was 36 and my period suddenly went haywire. No one here has yet described what I went through. I had that flood Kathleen spoke of only it lasted anywhere from 5-8 days with only a light day at the very end. Within a week I'd have that happen again. At the time I lived in NYC. I would use a super plus tampon and a pad when I left the house....40 minute commute into my office and I had to change. Lucky if I made it to the office in time some days. I always prayed the train would not be stuck somewhere. Now I tried a lot of the measures that worked for you women here except for the Vitex and that is really when I started eating organic. Couldn't give up the red meat completely still had my little grilled steak every so often - I'm a farm girl raised on the corn/veggie/grain fed beef my farming neighbors raised. Every winter go and order up a side of beef to last you through. Anyway I also tried acupuncture and an herbal tea (not the right word) that a Chinese herbalist prescribed for me. Wasn't working. I went to the gyno about a year later and finally told 'em what was happening. They ran tests that said I was not menopausal, not even peri-menopausal. They did the usual routine: D & C to see if there was anything odd going on in there. Suggested the pill - I said nope. Those things put me on a hormonal roller coaster in the past where I am hitting people over the heads with candy bars screaming I am not PMSing!!! I can laugh now on a good day. On a bad day I cry and give my family a ton of extra love to make up for those days. Doc settles on putting me on Lupron and suggests I go in for a thermal ablasion and if that doesn't work they'll just yank my uterus out. That sounded sooo tempting. I was losing so much blood so quickly by then that my diet could not keep up my iron levels - gradually the flood began to last longer and longer with fewer and fewer days of rest in between. I was eating everything I knew of that contributed to iron including noshing on red dates by the pound. I was fatigued but never called in sick just kept on keeping on. I got to the point that I had to go and have iron given to me intravenously. Tempting as it was something in my little head would just not let me give in and say okay take it out. I just know there has to be a reason why we have a uterus. How on earth can gynecologists call themselves gyno's and know only to yank out your uterus? Not one of them suggested anything alternative the whole time I saw them. When I told them what I had tried before and did they know of anything else one of them in the gyno group said to me " Well you're quite the adventurous one aren't you? " Nothing worked. Spoke to my mom. She'd had the same problem but in her case she had a hysterectomy. She doesn't know why said she never knew why. I'm sure the language barrier was the major part of the problem. She had no advice to give to me. She had no one from her native country to speak to about this. So. I did the only thing I could agree to that wasn't a thermal ablation (too many risks to that) or hysterectomy. I had an IUD w/ a hormone in it, Mirena. It's better than the floods I was experiencing but it definitely leaves me with other episodes I do not like. That was spring of 2003. Now it's almost two years later. I want it out asap but I'm afraid to have it taken out. Wondering when might be a good time to test the waters and see where my body might be again. Now here is where it gets interesting. The post on the gall bladder and the spleen...read that and quite literally a little spark flew. I had my gall bladder removed in 1999 (on Mother's Day of all days...congratulations, it's a gall bladder) and my spleen removed in 1995 due to ITP. Another reason why I just could not say yes to having yet another organ removed. Still doesn't explain what my mom experienced though. However, it was interesting to read something that reminded me yet again of the whole picture of my health. It just pisses me off to no end that there is a such a specialty in medicine as gynecology and obstetrics and both are riddled with practices that should be questioned and 'professionals' who are absolutely clueless about women's reproductive systems and health and only know to prescribe the pill or knock us out. Thank you all the women who teach their daughters to look on their bodies as the treasure and gift they are. My daughters and sons are growing up seeing couples who are saying no to medicated births and opting for homebirth and birth centers. I hope they will never feel pressured to birth in a hospital or pressured to give themselves or their spouses over to doctors at will and/or on face value. What a great discussion. I have a new resolve to learn more about what is happening to me and carefully recording the experience for my sons and daughters and their daughters and their daughters...and so on. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Just a quick note to add to the information already presented. This is a trick from my herbalist and it has NEVER steered me wrong. I use it to get information for me and my kids when we are ill. It can be done with other substances as well, and is non - invasive and gives a way more complete picture than any other information I have ever gotten. When getting anything for the first time, as far as herbs and / or supplements and /or homeopathy and / or aromatherapy (I haven't tried it for AT, but I am almost positive it would work) here is what to do. Pay attention as it MUST be done this way. The reason why is because you are using your non - dominate hand (READ WEAKER HAND) to give the diagnosis. It will not give a false positive, like you dominate hand can. 1.) IN YOUR DOMINATE Pick up whatever you are considering the use of. Leave it in its container. 2.) Place the PADS of your MIDDLE FINGER and THUMB on your NON - DOMINATE hand together. 3.) PRESS AND HOLD your fingers together as tightly as possible. (in a " flat " OK sign) 4.) Have someone PULL your fingers apart. 5.) If the fingers will NOT release, that is the remedy that should be considered. If the fingers DO come apart but not right away, you have found a component of what is needed. Place other things for consideration with it. 6.) HOLD all items in hand or crook of the arm if the bottles are large or there are too many for the hand. 7.) IF it is what is needed, THE FINGERS WILL NOT COME APART. Hope this makes sense. It really works. No kidding. Jill Mc. Alabama All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 , Jill McDanal <birthmamajill> wrote: > Just a quick note to add to the information already presented. This is a trick from my herbalist Hi Jill: This is commonly referred to as the right arm test. There are many versions of this test. I ust it all the time with everything. I have food allergies and gallbladder attacks. As long as I test I am fine. See me in Chat someday and I can teach you the way I do it, if you are interested. Regards Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Woobey's friend: She's 48.5 years old and for the past couple of years, her period underwent a radical change. Up until two years ago it was regular as the tides, 5 days it was over. No unusual bleeds.. everything hunky dorey. Two years ago it changed. Now the first 36 hours it's a total FLOOD, she says it's pretty nasty with clots and all, and the other three are just spotting if anything... She's wondering if this is the onset of menopause or something else. No other symptoms of menopause. Of course this is the onset of The Change, duh! Dear Woobey, menopause is not a medical condition but a natural passage of life. IMHO Your friend does not have to go see an MD if she'd rather use another modality. If she bleeds too much she might want to try acupuncture. I bled to the point of severe anemia. Then I went to see our local TCM. She took my history and pronounced: " You have a weak spleen. And the spleen holds the blood in the channels. " I had three sessions of acupuncture and the heavy bleeding never came back. I was a total mess in other ways until I got onto a whole wild food, but that is another story. Michelle has a fantastic list devoted entirely to the subject. HolisticMenopause Ien in the Kootenays ************************************** You ought to be Thankful, a Whole Heaping Lot for the places and people you're lucky you're not! ~Dr Seus who is this Kootenay person anyway? http://www.greatestnetworker.com/is/ien *************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Kinesiology, right Jill? I know a chiro who uses this and it works really well. I've seen some real skeptics turn into believers. :-) He uses the arm straight out though, but it's the same principal. Kelly - " Jill McDanal " <birthmamajill Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:47 PM Re: Re: Menopause question; Maybe Just a quick note to add to the information already presented. This is a trick from my herbalist and it has NEVER steered me wrong. I use it to get information for me and my kids when we are ill. It can be done with other substances as well, and is non - invasive and gives a way more complete picture than any other information I have ever gotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 << Most women don't understand how very important those yearly pap spears are. >> Paula, that's classic! I know you probably meant to say " smears " but I think your accidental term is more apropos <G> jaime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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