Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 Well, after much overuse of Lavender eo I wasn't able to use it for a long time - say 7 years or so - without skin irritation or breathing difficulties.. However, having not used it for a long time I can use it occasionally without any ill effects - but I'm very careful! Ann - Scotland >>become sensitized to Lavender and Tea Tree .. and sensitization is for >>life folks .. it can take you to the emergency room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2004 Report Share Posted November 27, 2004 Hey Anya .. other good folks .. >>become sensitized to Lavender and Tea Tree .. and sensitization is for >>life folks .. it can take you to the emergency room. > > Hi Butch: > > I've been searching for medical reports (pubmed, BoDD, google, etc.) > that state that sensitization is " for life " and I'm not having any > luck. Can you pass your references on to me? I have a theory that > sensitization can be lessened or reversed, and my research into the > oft-repeated " for life " mantra is coming up bupkus. I searched Plant > Aromatics and it talks about sensitization, of course (!) and the > dermal testing, but again, I didn't find a reference as to the > inevitabilty of a lifetime of sensitization. I could find nothing chiseled in stone either .. so I asked Martin for his opinion .. and I understand you also asked .. a smart move. Martin's comments are below .. and .. based on those comments .. I think the answer is: Yes .. No .. Maybe .. Probably .. Sensitization is for life .. and though there CAN be exceptions .. odds are there that will be no exceptions. ;-) My comments/questions to him were: Chemical sensitization is one of the FEW things I have heard no controversy on .. from any of the so-called knowledgeable folks in AT .. or from a few who are in the medical field .. they say that chemical sensitization is for life. How does one de-sensitize one's self? How does one " fool " the immune system into thinking it is NOT being attacked when it has already done a profile imprint of the chemical it decided to rebel against in the first place? Martin replied: > Sensitisation CAN be for life not IS for life. > > It is exactly the same as a vaccination, some need doing every few > years others are a lifetimes cover. Sensitisation to essential oils > is to specific chemicals in them that are common in everyday life. > If someone becomes allergic to one or more of those chemicals they > can effectively be considered sensitised for life in the same way a > peanut allergy CAN be for life. > > It is very difficult to avoid exposure to some chemicals in essential > oils because they are common in everyday life. Just think of the > number of products containing citrus peel extracts, i.e. jams, > candies, cakes, deserts, fruit drinks, you name it! All contain > d-limonene in varying amounts. > > If someone becomes sensitised, if they are lucky it may wear off, but > that can take years. If they are unlucky it can be for life for sure. > > Obviously the stronger the oil applied to the skin, the higher the > chances of becoming sensitised. > > In the case of skin sensitisation any herbal remedies that are reputed > to " cleanse " the liver are going to be ineffective as the liver has > little to do with the 'primed' lymphocytes that reside in the lymphatic > tissues. > > From personal experience I have little confidence in these supposed de- > sensitizing treatments and supplements. Indeed the homeopathic system > used by some doctors almost killed my younger Son. I believe that is > now better than it was but the treatment requires great vigilance and > should only be done in specialist medical clinics. I have never found > any dietary or herbal supplement that can desensitise me to the pollen > that causes my hayfever. I have tried almost everything over the last 40 > years, all they do is tickle the problem while making life hell with the > dietary restrictions. In any case this allergy thing is way more > complex in many people than just being allergic to certain pollens. > > Anya might need to search the web for 'immunology' although I doubt you > will find much on line as most of this is in technical medical books > that cost a fortune to buy. > > Martin So .. end on Martin's comments. > Since I conquered my allergic sensitization to mango pollen by using > herbalism, I'm now on a course of action to find a solution to > allergic sensitization to EOs (liver support being the first course of > action, of course.) The sensitivity to mango pollen was hightened one > year by my excessive use of EOs (weakend my liver)so I got aggressive > in my research and conquered it, to the point I can now still use my > EOs in perfumery as much as I want, and never have an allergic > reaction to pollen. There is a link, and I want to be able to help > those sensitized to EOs specifically. I would think that you were fortunate in being able to de-sensitize yourself .. and based on Martin's comments .. in the future I will modify that portion of my statement that reads: " Sensitization is for life folks: TO READ: " Folks, with some RARE exceptions .. sensitization is for life. " ;-) > Anya > http://anyamccoy.com Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2004 Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 , Butch Owen <butchbsi@s...> wrote: > Hey Anya .. other good folks .. Butch stated: > >>become sensitized to Lavender and Tea Tree .. and sensitization is for > >>life folks .. it can take you to the emergency room. > > > > Hi Butch: > > > > I've been searching for medical reports (pubmed, BoDD, google, etc.) that state that sensitization is " for life " and I'm not having any luck. > Martin's comments are below .. and .. based on those comments .. I think the answer is: > > Yes .. No .. Maybe .. Probably .. Sensitization is for life .. and > though there CAN be exceptions .. odds are there that will be no > exceptions. ;-) Glad we got that cleared up, LOL! It's the response I expected, actually, as often, we know, there are no " absolutes " in biology. Damage can be reversed. That sledgehammer statement that " sensitization is for life " just rankled the logical side of me. I differ in that I believe there are exceptions, and that an active health stance of the proper treatments can minimize or reverse it. > My comments/questions to him were: > > Chemical sensitization is one of the FEW things I have heard no > controversy on .. from any of the so-called knowledgeable folks in AT .. > or from a few who are in the medical field .. they say that chemical > sensitization is for life. > > How does one de-sensitize one's self? > > How does one " fool " the immune system into thinking it is NOT being > attacked when it has already done a profile imprint of the chemical it > decided to rebel against in the first place? > > Martin replied: > > > Sensitisation CAN be for life not IS for life. > > > > It is exactly the same as a vaccination, some need doing every few > > years others are a lifetimes cover. Sensitisation to essential oils > > is to specific chemicals in them that are common in everyday life. > > If someone becomes allergic to one or more of those chemicals they > > can effectively be considered sensitised for life in the same way a > > peanut allergy CAN be for life. I AM sensitized to mango pollen, and it got very bad after a long (four-five month) period that I spent overusing and oversniffing EOs. Instead of my one-week February stuffed nose, itchy eyes, etc., I got a six-week kick in the head, complete with anosmia, fatigue, violent coughing, etc. That allergy should have then been firmly entrenched. However, I treated myself with daily liver support herbs and the next February, nada. Ditto this past February. Nada. Not a sniffle. After 13 years of mango pollen allergy, I now consider myself " cured " . > > It is very difficult to avoid exposure to some chemicals in essential > > oils because they are common in everyday life. Just think of the > > number of products containing citrus peel extracts, i.e. jams, > > candies, cakes, deserts, fruit drinks, you name it! All contain > > d-limonene in varying amounts. > > > > If someone becomes sensitised, if they are lucky it may wear off, but > > that can take years. If they are unlucky it can be for life for sure. See, I don't take that " lucky " statement lying down. I think you need to educate yourself on what can rid your body of the weakness that allows you to be sensitized. Different POV entirely. > > Obviously the stronger the oil applied to the skin, the higher the > > chances of becoming sensitised. > > > > In the case of skin sensitisation any herbal remedies that are reputed to " cleanse " the liver are going to be ineffective as the liver has little to do with the 'primed' lymphocytes that reside in the lymphatic tissues. I consulted with a number of very experienced herbalists before I began my liver support regime, and they disagree with Martin. True that allergic responses are complex, and the lymph system is very involved, since the liver DETOXIFIES the lymph system. Ahem. The lymph system is the hardest stronghold to detoxify, true, but it will work. > > > > From personal experience I have little confidence in these supposed de- sensitizing treatments and supplements. >snipped martin's experiences with homeopathy and hayfever, etc. Sorry he didn't get results. I have a minor " women's cycle " problem I have never gotten rectified, after years of trying natural remedies, so there are, of course, exceptions to every rule. However, to discount that many alternative medicine modalities teach that supporting, if not detoxifying, the liver can help the body throw off allergens, irritants, colds, flus, etc., is to go against everything I believe in. Just one voice in the chorus, here, but it's my voice, and I do respond to it :-) > > dietary restrictions. In any case this allergy thing is way more > > complex in many people than just being allergic to certain pollens. Occams razor. Often the simplest solution, the first one considered, is the best. > > > > Anya might need to search the web for 'immunology' although I doubt you will find much on line as most of this is in technical medical books that cost a fortune to buy. I have plenty of books that address the human system, not just immunology, and the medical ones don't interest me much, as I don't believe in their philosophy of how to treat allergies, infections, etc. I'm much more into alternative methodologies, hence my presence on this list and others (many others) that address these issues from a wholistic standpoint, not the target philosophy of allopathic medicine. > > Martin > > So .. end on Martin's comments. > Butch here: > I would think that you were fortunate in being able to de-sensitize > yourself .. and based on Martin's comments .. in the future I will > modify that portion of my statement that reads: > > " Sensitization is for life folks: > > TO READ: > > " Folks, with some RARE exceptions .. sensitization is for life. " ;-) And I'll stick to my take on it -- sensitization, in some instances, can be reversed. Practically everything can be reversed, from acne to cancer. I must be doing something right -- I haven't had a cold or flu in 34 years, rarely get an " infection " , have pretty good " medical " readings, (BP, cholesterol, etc.), conquered rheumatoid arthritis in my hands (an immune disorder), and am on the way to overcoming some fibromyalgia that came on after an accident. Even minimized my umbilical hernia (got it lifting a 50 lb pot of infused herb oil!) via non-surgical means after I did a lot of research and consulted some ayurvedic healers). Never even notice it anymore, since it's retreated so. Pretty good for 54, and I'm always open to new thoughts and ideas on everything -- that's my philosophy -- and it helps keep me on my toes :-) But the serious message here is still that EOs can really harm you if used incorrectly. I never mean to undermine that belief in anyone -- and I never want to think that anyone might be careless with the oils thinking they can " reverse " the damage. Use the oils wisely, and try to avoid any problems -- that's the smartest thing to do, rather than try to fix the problem afterwards. For that purpose, Martin's book, Plant Aromatics, sold by Butch (plug, plug), is invaluable. Dilute, dilute, dilute! to quote wacky old Dr. Bronner. He was right, and so is Martin and all the others who warn us of the dangers of the EOs -- they're solvents, like alcohol and paints and other chemicals, and they can cause you a lot of damage, used incorrectly, or inhaled too much. http://anyamccoy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 Thought I better post this direct as I was a bit concerned over recent exchanges between Anya and Butch over the sensitisation issues. It is wrong for anyone to think they can use hazardous essential oils because in time any sensitisation they get (or give) might wear off. Much safer to avoid the hazardous oils altogether. With allergy treatments you cannot lump all types of allergic reactions into one basket. Sensitisation and allergies are a vastly complicated subject with a huge spectrum of symptoms and treatments available: You can have sensitisation caused by substances alone. This might wear off over time if an individual is no longer exposed to the substances. You can have a genetic predisposition to becoming allergic. This can be for life although even that can change over time with the seasons, hormone cycles, diet, etc. It is a highly complex problem and I do not believe, and have seen no sound evidence, that you can completely cure it in people with a genetic predisposition. You can of course have both which is the worst possible scenario. The disappearance of an allergy may have nothing to do with any treatment a person has had, it can just be a natural process as we age. I think Anya has missed that aspect in what she is assuming has happened to her. In my own case, in the last few years, my hayfever has declined in intensity. Seems as you get older one type of ailment disappears and others take their place. Allergies such as eczema, hayfever and asthma are well known to change over a persons lifetime. My grandfather had mild asthma until he was around 80 it slowly disappeared without any kind of treatment. So by the time he died at 93, he had gained many years of freedom from the problem. Anya said: " I think you need to educate yourself on what can rid your body of the weakness that allows you to be sensitized " . Yes, like avoiding those things that can *trigger* any kind of sensitisation whether that be essential oils, pollen, bed mites or whatever. To find accurate verifiable information on natural treatments that can *remove* the problem is like looking for a needle in a haystack. A lot of so called 'erbalists' in America do not have sound training in the sciences and tend to regurgitate what they have been taught. Some of what they parrot is good, but if it is not properly evaluated that is very bad indeed. Traditional use never ever automatically means safe or effective treatments. Also, defining what is true traditional use is a minefield for the unwary. I have little confidence in these supposed liver treatments for allergies because most peoples livers work just fine without any need for intervention. Some herbs can give the liver a kick and make it work a little more effectively, but there is a vast amount of hype associated with this. Does anyone here recall my earlier postings on the trash on herbal gallstone treatments? No amount of liver treatments can remove a genetic condition, all any herbal treatment can do is to reduce the effects. Some herbs can be great for that aspect though but it has nothing to do with " detoxification " . I also take exception to Anya calling this condition a " weakness " in fact genetic based allergies can be a strength because although they are a pain to live with, sufferers rarely get cancer. This may be because the bodies immune system is in overdrive, yet I have seen many herbalists and aromatherapists claiming their treatment " stimulates the immune system " . Something pretty wrong with that statement and shows a lack of thought on behalf of the person saying it. >The lymph system is the hardest stronghold to detoxify,< Whenever I see words such as " detoxify " this sends shivers down my spine. It is a quaint old fashioned term that means absolutely nothing. The liver processes unwanted metabolites (not necessarily toxins). There are few " toxins " in normal lymph for it to " detoxify " . What is does is reprocesses tissues and fluids to extract what the body can reuse and ejects what is can't use or that could be hazardous. Therefore the term " detoxifies " is inappropriate and smacks of beauty therapy hype. Here is a question that I can't answer: Antibodies trigger an allergic reaction in someone sensitised to an essential oil. Other antibodies are vital in our defense against invasion by infections. If you over stimulate the liver to process the lymph fluid more efficiently, what useful antibodies might you remove along with the ones you don't want? I do not think the liver can distinguish between useful and not useful antibodies, but perhaps I am wrong. Anyone got any ideas? Martin Watt http://www.aromamedical.com , " rastapoodle " <mccoy@n...> wrote: > > > , Butch Owen <butchbsi@s...> wrote: > > Hey Anya .. other good folks .. > Butch stated: > > >>become sensitized to Lavender and Tea Tree .. and sensitization is for > > >>life folks .. it can take you to the emergency room. > > > > > > Hi Butch: > > > > > > I've been searching for medical reports (pubmed, BoDD, google, > etc.) that state that sensitization is " for life " and I'm not having > any luck. > > Martin's comments are below .. and .. based on those comments .. I > think the answer is: > > > > Yes .. No .. Maybe .. Probably .. Sensitization is for life .. and > > though there CAN be exceptions .. odds are there that will be no > > exceptions. ;-) > > Glad we got that cleared up, LOL! It's the response I expected, > actually, as often, we know, there are no " absolutes " in biology. > Damage can be reversed. That sledgehammer statement that > " sensitization is for life " just rankled the logical side of me. I > differ in that I believe there are exceptions, and that an active > health stance of the proper treatments can minimize or reverse it. > > > > My comments/questions to him were: > > > > Chemical sensitization is one of the FEW things I have heard no > > controversy on .. from any of the so-called knowledgeable folks in AT .. > > or from a few who are in the medical field .. they say that chemical > > sensitization is for life. > > > > How does one de-sensitize one's self? > > > > How does one " fool " the immune system into thinking it is NOT being > > attacked when it has already done a profile imprint of the chemical it > > decided to rebel against in the first place? > > > > Martin replied: > > > > > Sensitisation CAN be for life not IS for life. > > > > > > It is exactly the same as a vaccination, some need doing every few > > > years others are a lifetimes cover. Sensitisation to essential oils > > > is to specific chemicals in them that are common in everyday life. > > > If someone becomes allergic to one or more of those chemicals they > > > can effectively be considered sensitised for life in the same way a > > > peanut allergy CAN be for life. > > I AM sensitized to mango pollen, and it got very bad after a long > (four-five month) period that I spent overusing and oversniffing EOs. > Instead of my one-week February stuffed nose, itchy eyes, etc., I got > a six-week kick in the head, complete with anosmia, fatigue, violent > coughing, etc. > > That allergy should have then been firmly entrenched. However, I > treated myself with daily liver support herbs and the next February, > nada. Ditto this past February. Nada. Not a sniffle. After 13 years of > mango pollen allergy, I now consider myself " cured " . > > > > It is very difficult to avoid exposure to some chemicals in essential > > > oils because they are common in everyday life. Just think of the > > > number of products containing citrus peel extracts, i.e. jams, > > > candies, cakes, deserts, fruit drinks, you name it! All contain > > > d-limonene in varying amounts. > > > > > > If someone becomes sensitised, if they are lucky it may wear off, but > > > that can take years. If they are unlucky it can be for life for > sure. > > See, I don't take that " lucky " statement lying down. I think you need > to educate yourself on what can rid your body of the weakness that > allows you to be sensitized. Different POV entirely. > > > > Obviously the stronger the oil applied to the skin, the higher the > > > chances of becoming sensitised. > > > > > > In the case of skin sensitisation any herbal remedies that are > reputed to " cleanse " the liver are going to be ineffective as the > liver has little to do with the 'primed' lymphocytes that reside in > the lymphatic tissues. > > I consulted with a number of very experienced herbalists before I > began my liver support regime, and they disagree with Martin. True > that allergic responses are complex, and the lymph system is very > involved, since the liver DETOXIFIES the lymph system. Ahem. The lymph > system is the hardest stronghold to detoxify, true, but it will work. > > > > > > > From personal experience I have little confidence in these > supposed de- sensitizing treatments and supplements. > > >snipped martin's experiences with homeopathy and hayfever, etc. > > Sorry he didn't get results. I have a minor " women's cycle " problem I > have never gotten rectified, after years of trying natural remedies, > so there are, of course, exceptions to every rule. However, to > discount that many alternative medicine modalities teach that > supporting, if not detoxifying, the liver can help the body throw off > allergens, irritants, colds, flus, etc., is to go against everything I > believe in. Just one voice in the chorus, here, but it's my voice, and > I do respond to it :-) > > > > dietary restrictions. In any case this allergy thing is way more > > > complex in many people than just being allergic to certain pollens. > > Occams razor. Often the simplest solution, the first one considered, > is the best. > > > > > > Anya might need to search the web for 'immunology' although I > doubt you will find much on line as most of this is in technical > medical books that cost a fortune to buy. > > I have plenty of books that address the human system, not just > immunology, and the medical ones don't interest me much, as I don't > believe in their philosophy of how to treat allergies, infections, > etc. I'm much more into alternative methodologies, hence my presence > on this list and others (many others) that address these issues from a > wholistic standpoint, not the target philosophy of allopathic medicine. > > > > Martin > > > > So .. end on Martin's comments. > > > Butch here: > > I would think that you were fortunate in being able to de- sensitize > > yourself .. and based on Martin's comments .. in the future I will > > modify that portion of my statement that reads: > > > > " Sensitization is for life folks: > > > > TO READ: > > > > " Folks, with some RARE exceptions .. sensitization is for life. " ;-) > > And I'll stick to my take on it -- sensitization, in some instances, > can be reversed. Practically everything can be reversed, from acne to > cancer. > > I must be doing something right -- I haven't had a cold or flu in 34 > years, rarely get an " infection " , have pretty good " medical " readings, > (BP, cholesterol, etc.), conquered rheumatoid arthritis in my hands > (an immune disorder), and am on the way to overcoming some > fibromyalgia that came on after an accident. Even minimized my > umbilical hernia (got it lifting a 50 lb pot of infused herb oil!) via > non-surgical means after I did a lot of research and consulted some > ayurvedic healers). Never even notice it anymore, since it's retreated > so. Pretty good for 54, and I'm always open to new thoughts and ideas > on everything -- that's my philosophy -- and it helps keep me on my > toes :-) > > But the serious message here is still that EOs can really harm you if > used incorrectly. I never mean to undermine that belief in anyone -- > and I never want to think that anyone might be careless with the oils > thinking they can " reverse " the damage. Use the oils wisely, and try > to avoid any problems -- that's the smartest thing to do, rather than > try to fix the problem afterwards. > > For that purpose, Martin's book, Plant Aromatics, sold by Butch (plug, > plug), is invaluable. Dilute, dilute, dilute! to quote wacky old Dr. > Bronner. He was right, and so is Martin and all the others who warn us > of the dangers of the EOs -- they're solvents, like alcohol and paints > and other chemicals, and they can cause you a lot of damage, used > incorrectly, or inhaled too much. > > Anya > http://anyamccoy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 --- " aromamedical2003 " wrote: > Thought I better post this direct as I was a bit concerned over > recent exchanges between Anya and Butch over the sensitisation > issues. It is wrong for anyone to think they can use hazardous > essential oils because in time any sensitisation they get (or give) > might wear off. Much safer to avoid the hazardous oils altogether. > > With allergy treatments you cannot lump all types of allergic > reactions into one basket. Sensitisation and allergies are a vastly > complicated subject with a huge spectrum of symptoms and treatments > available: <snip> > >The lymph system is the hardest stronghold to detoxify,< > Whenever I see words such as " detoxify " this sends shivers down my > spine. It is a quaint old fashioned term that means absolutely > nothing. The liver processes unwanted metabolites (not necessarily > toxins). There are few " toxins " in normal lymph for it > to " detoxify " . What is does is reprocesses tissues and fluids to > extract what the body can reuse and ejects what is can't use or that > could be hazardous. Therefore the term " detoxifies " is inappropriate and smacks of beauty therapy hype. > > Here is a question that I can't answer: > Antibodies trigger an allergic reaction in someone sensitised to an > essential oil. Other antibodies are vital in our defense against > invasion by infections. If you over stimulate the liver to process > the lymph fluid more efficiently, what useful antibodies might you > remove along with the ones you don't want? I do not think the liver > can distinguish between useful and not useful antibodies, but perhaps > I am wrong. Anyone got any ideas? I do not know your credentials or areas of study. I myself research what is written/studied by others, solely for myself and my family. I do a lot of research. I have always tended to be suspect of traditional " medical " and " scientific " study/findings and what they promote as fact. I think that there is hype in all arenas, including medical/scientific. There is so much touted as " truth " and I, for one, have grown so sick of it all. I also disagree with your blanket statement that the word " detoxify " is a quaint old-fashioned term. Qualify that statement. What about detoxification by choline? Some, I have seen, refer to it in that manner. Others I have seen refer to it as repairing liver damage caused by toxic drugs and chemicals. I have dug and researched enough to believe for myself that choline does repair liver damage. I accept that as truth. " Methionine works with choline to detoxify amines which are byproducts of protein metabolism. " Earl L Mindell R.Ph., PhD A major function of Vitamin C is its " non-specific role as a detoxifying agent " . Porter, C.C., et al., Arch. Biochem. 18, 339, 1948 I could provide many more quotes. 1948..... 1948 This term is not a new one --and I do not believe that Anya s to any " beauty therapy hype " . Andrea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 , " aromamedical2003 " <aromamedical-2@l...> wrote: " The disappearance of an allergy may have nothing to do with any treatment a person has had, it can just be a natural process as we age. I think Anya has missed that aspect in what she is assuming has happened to her. In my own case, in the last few years, my hayfever has declined in intensity. Seems as you get older one type of ailment disappears and others take their place. " I also have to say that you are assuming quite a bit also ( " Seems as you get older one type of ailment disappears and others take their place. " ) " The disappearance of an allergy may have nothing to do with any treatment a person has had, it can just be a natural process as we age. " " may have nothing to do with " and " it can just be " are pretty wide open statements. So, by your own declaration of this as truth, I can assume that the disappearance of an allergy may have something to do with any treatment a person has had, it may not just be a natural process as we age. I guess I really just don't understand your post. Andrea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 I think that more often than not changes occur that we don't realize have occurred until something brings it into focus. Therefore, it's possible that the 'something' you (the general 'you') think had the effect isn't actually the correct place for the credit. Allergies and sensitizations are a weird science. You really sometimes struggle to put them into one container and consider the conclusion a done deal. Take for instance why some people in the same family have certain allergies or no allergies or just seem particularly allergic/sensitive to anything and everything. I have a family member who is that way. I also have a family member (by marriage) who for a time was sensitive to she knew not what. She just bought everything 'fragrance free', etc. and ate bland. Never did find out what the cause was and it took near to three or more years before she dared to venture into putting a little spice back in her life. So far so good. Who knows what it was? She's out in TN - maybe it was something that got crop dusted that year? Maybe it was a bad batch of something she ate/used and it took a while to run through her body? Who knows?? She never went and got tested for allergies and never did any 'treatment' - just removed a lot of the 'extras' in her world. Personally, I never heard of 'detoxify' until a couple years ago. I thought it was some newfangled buzz word for the health conscious. My mom and dad just always told us to give our body a chance to reset itself. Dale - " may have nothing to do with " and " it can just be " are pretty wide open statements. So, by your own declaration of this as truth, I can assume that the disappearance of an allergy may have something to do with any treatment a person has had, it may not just be a natural process as we age. I guess I really just don't understand your post. Andrea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 Hey Andrea, I am in no way wanting to get into this discussion, but have been reading the posts and since no one else gave you a link to read Martins site, I will. I do know that he get's bumped off of and has some issues with being available here all the time. Anyway, check out his site. If anyone has done their research on any particular subject it's Martin Watt. Author of " Plant Aromatics " the ONLY referenced guide to safe essential oil usage, as well as co-authoring many other titles. His site is very well worth your time to read every word. http://www.aromamedical.com/biography.html This page in particular might answer your statement below. Sincerely, Margaret www.naturalindulgences.com >I do not know your credentials or areas of study. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 At 04:56 PM 4/26/2006, you wrote: >Hope this helps. I am aware of sensitization issues, and would not post a >formula that I thought might harm someone. I've used this formula for >years on myself and my family and friends, and no one has ever had >sensitazation issues form it. I always check to be sure new users don't >have sensitization to these ingredients before I apply it or have them >apply it. but that's the point. of course, if they already are sensitized, it would cause tremendous problems. but using that strong a dilution on broken skin is HOW sensitization happens. There are too many people on this (and other) lists, and in this industry already sensitized to the oils you are using. it's a game of russian roulette. > Over 10 years online supplying Aromatherapy and Healthcare Professionals Essential Oils, Hydrosols, Accessories, Hard to find Books and Videos <http://www.naturesgift.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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