Lists In General ** Aromatherapy and Other Terms (Sorta Long)

[Guest guest]

Butch,

 

I am new, and have some Young Living oils that were a gift from a

friend....please " enlighten " me on the harm they have caused----and if I am

at risk using these oils?

 

Thanks,

Lori

 

 

Butch Owen [butchbsi]

<snipped>

We have our own bogey bear in Aromatherapy .. one we continue to feed.

Its not turned on us yet because we are not a legitimate industry and we

(except for some Young Living practices) have caused no harm ..

[Guest guest]

, " Lori Obennoskey " <lori01@g...>

wrote:

>

> Butch,

>

> I am new, and have some Young Living oils that were a gift from a

> friend....please " enlighten " me on the harm they have caused----and

if I am

> at risk using these oils?

>

> Thanks,

> Lori

 

 

Hi Lori,

 

I am not Butch, nor have I ever used or tested any Young Living oils.

 

But I can say that I completely looked the other way when I first

heard about them. Too much " miraculous " " life-changing "

" magic-bullet " " ours are the best/most potent " type hype surrounding

them for my suspicious ways.

 

I have *never* heard anyone say that the oils themselves cause harm

--only that the oils are not pure or have been adulterated.

 

I have heard about the ways in which these oils are promoted to be

used and have heard people question and slam the promotion of these

practices. Also heard about a lot of " miracles " that were " brought

about " by using them and the YL ways of using them.

 

Like I said... sounded too suspicious for me.

 

Andrea

[Guest guest]

Hey Lori

 

Butch is talking about the company not the oils. The company is run by a

major liar and conman, the oils... >shrug< who knows. Basically, whereas

most honest retailers will provide you with a gc on your oils, YL never

will. And they have been accused of adulteration MANY times.

 

Your oils are prolly okay to use, just becareful of the company. It's not

something one wants to get roped into.

 

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The PurrfinickyQueen

http://www.fatcatcandleco.com

Candles, Kitty Carpets, articles, practically everything but the Hairball!

 

 

> [Original Message]

> Lori Obennoskey <lori01

>

> 11/19/2004 11:13:16 AM

> Re: Lists In General ** Aromatherapy and Other

Terms (Sorta Long)

>

>

>

> Butch,

>

> I am new, and have some Young Living oils that were a gift from a

> friend....please " enlighten " me on the harm they have caused----and if I

am

> at risk using these oils?

>

> Thanks,

> Lori

>

>

> Butch Owen [butchbsi]

> <snipped>

> We have our own bogey bear in Aromatherapy .. one we continue to feed.

> Its not turned on us yet because we are not a legitimate industry and we

> (except for some Young Living practices) have caused no harm ..

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Kathleen,

Thanks for the info. I don't mean to sound dumb, but what is a gc?

 

Lori

-

" Kathleen Petrides " <PurrfinickyQueen

 

Friday, November 19, 2004 3:00 PM

Re: Lists In General ** Aromatherapy and Other

Terms (Sorta Long)

 

 

>

> Hey Lori

>

> Butch is talking about the company not the oils. The company is run by a

> major liar and conman, the oils... >shrug< who knows. Basically, whereas

> most honest retailers will provide you with a gc on your oils, YL never

> will. And they have been accused of adulteration MANY times.

>

> Your oils are prolly okay to use, just becareful of the company. It's not

> something one wants to get roped into.

>

> Cheers!

> Kathleen Petrides

> The PurrfinickyQueen

> http://www.fatcatcandleco.com

> Candles, Kitty Carpets, articles, practically everything but the Hairball!

>

>

> > [Original Message]

> > Lori Obennoskey <lori01

> >

> > 11/19/2004 11:13:16 AM

> > Re: Lists In General ** Aromatherapy and Other

> Terms (Sorta Long)

> >

> >

> >

> > Butch,

> >

> > I am new, and have some Young Living oils that were a gift from a

> > friend....please " enlighten " me on the harm they have caused----and if I

> am

> > at risk using these oils?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Lori

> >

> >

> > Butch Owen [butchbsi]

> > <snipped>

> > We have our own bogey bear in Aromatherapy .. one we continue to feed.

> > Its not turned on us yet because we are not a legitimate industry and we

> > (except for some Young Living practices) have caused no harm ..

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves:

> http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html

> >

> > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link:

> /join

> >

[Guest guest]

simply and basically put: it's a signature test on essential oils. Each oil

has it's own signature and these tests can determine whether or not an oil

is a fake, been fooled around with, is poor quality etc.

 

Mind you, it's not fool proof or fail proof, clever chemists can fake oils

to match the signature...

 

Butch can tell you pages about these tests, but this is just a simple

answer so as not to confuse me. ;-)

 

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The PurrfinickyQueen

http://www.fatcatcandleco.com

Candles, Kitty Carpets, articles, practically everything but the Hairball!

 

 

> [Original Message]

> Lori Obennoskey <lori01

>

> 11/19/2004 2:15:59 PM

> Re: Lists In General ** Aromatherapy and Other

Terms (Sorta Long)

>

>

> Kathleen,

> Thanks for the info. I don't mean to sound dumb, but what is a gc?

>

> Lori

> -

> " Kathleen Petrides " <PurrfinickyQueen

>

> Friday, November 19, 2004 3:00 PM

> Re: Lists In General ** Aromatherapy and Other

> Terms (Sorta Long)

>

>

> >

> > Hey Lori

> >

> > Butch is talking about the company not the oils. The company is run by a

> > major liar and conman, the oils... >shrug< who knows. Basically, whereas

> > most honest retailers will provide you with a gc on your oils, YL never

> > will. And they have been accused of adulteration MANY times.

> >

> > Your oils are prolly okay to use, just becareful of the company. It's

not

> > something one wants to get roped into.

> >

> > Cheers!

> > Kathleen Petrides

> > The PurrfinickyQueen

> > http://www.fatcatcandleco.com

> > Candles, Kitty Carpets, articles, practically everything but the

Hairball!

> >

> >

> > > [Original Message]

> > > Lori Obennoskey <lori01

> > >

> > > 11/19/2004 11:13:16 AM

> > > Re: Lists In General ** Aromatherapy and

Other

> > Terms (Sorta Long)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Butch,

> > >

> > > I am new, and have some Young Living oils that were a gift from a

> > > friend....please " enlighten " me on the harm they have caused----and

if I

> > am

> > > at risk using these oils?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Lori

> > >

> > >

> > > Butch Owen [butchbsi]

> > > <snipped>

> > > We have our own bogey bear in Aromatherapy .. one we continue to feed.

> > > Its not turned on us yet because we are not a legitimate industry and

we

> > > (except for some Young Living practices) have caused no harm ..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves:

> > http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html

> > >

> > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following

link:

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> > >

[Guest guest]

Hey Andrea,

 

>>Hi y'all,

>>

>>Let me take you for a stroll down the path of Aromatherapy and the

>>personalities of various types of Newsgroups. My opinion, obviously.

>

> Hey Butch!

>

> Loved it! It certainly was a long read, but I enjoyed every bit of

> it. Love that viewpoint of yours!

 

Thankee ma'am .. wasn't always I believed as such .. but the longer we

stay above snakes the more our attitudes change. :-P

 

> Bucking the system and all the hype, but sooooo much more depth and

> understanding than someone just saying " don't neccessarily trust them

> over there " . It is a message of " truly find out for yourself and do

> so with some common sense. Your own common sense --not someone else's

> version of it " .

 

That's right .. but for new folks .. they gotta start at some point and

trying to get the basics from any Aromatherapy List is not a good very

likely .. best they pick up a couple of the better reference pubs and do

some reading .. then go from there. Or .. take a course if they think

they really want to learn about the safe use of essential oils.

 

> Your viewpoints have certainly opened up mine and I am willing to look

> at things differently.

 

Good it is .. we shouldn't stop learning .. or changing our attitudes

toward this and that .. till we go under.

 

> God, gotta love this list!

 

Best there is .. no question on that.

 

> Chris, I am so happy to see your numbers grow like this --you

> certainly do deserve it and all of the praise Butch has heaped on you!

> Oh and that goes for these list-members too.

 

Perzackly in agreement with you on that. :-P

 

> Andrea

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

[Guest guest]

Lordy.. saying your post was " sorta long " is like saying the Pope is

" sorta Catholic " , :-)

 

Great post, Butch, and that brings me to an important point I've

pondered for a while about your posts and archived files.

 

You need to get them out on the internet. They're either lost forever

on idma (a private list with a lousy archive service), or semi-buried

here in the . Even if you posted them on newsgroups,

they'd be out there for eternity, with a much larger audience.

 

You post your stuff on rosemary, oregano, hoo-ha and assorted subjects

over and over on , but I think you need to go one step further.

 

Create a non-commercial webpage and put all the stuff up there.

Wouldn't take much time since the stuff is already written. You'd just

have to upload it, and add to it from time to time as you include more

information.

 

I really think it's a shame that it's so " hidden " and that it would be

great if somebody hit " oregano oil " on google and came up with your

page. Or, if somebody visited Graham's page and found your stuff.

 

Even if your computer crashed and ate all the stuff, it would be up

there for posterity, and that's important, after all the work you put

into it.

http://anyamccoy.com

(who agrees with a bit of what you wrote and disagrees a bit, but

can't muster the energy for the life of me to wrestle with that book

you just posted on AT and icons, oils and such.)

[Guest guest]

I'll second the vote.

 

Rita

 

rastapoodle <mccoy wrote:

 

 

Lordy.. saying your post was " sorta long " is like saying the Pope is

" sorta Catholic " , :-)

 

Great post, Butch, and that brings me to an important point I've

pondered for a while about your posts and archived files.

 

You need to get them out on the internet. They're either lost forever

on idma (a private list with a lousy archive service), or semi-buried

here in the . Even if you posted them on newsgroups,

they'd be out there for eternity, with a much larger audience.

 

You post your stuff on rosemary, oregano, hoo-ha and assorted subjects

over and over on , but I think you need to go one step further.

 

Create a non-commercial webpage and put all the stuff up there.

Wouldn't take much time since the stuff is already written. You'd just

have to upload it, and add to it from time to time as you include more

information.

 

I really think it's a shame that it's so " hidden " and that it would be

great if somebody hit " oregano oil " on google and came up with your

page. Or, if somebody visited Graham's page and found your stuff.

 

Even if your computer crashed and ate all the stuff, it would be up

there for posterity, and that's important, after all the work you put

into it.

http://anyamccoy.com

(who agrees with a bit of what you wrote and disagrees a bit, but

can't muster the energy for the life of me to wrestle with that book

you just posted on AT and icons, oils and such.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Butch,

 

Thanks for all the info and the laughs, as usual. I'm in learning at

the moment and I do simply want to learn the safe and responsible use

for oils because I'm in California and I work for lawyers so I don't

want people coming back and wanting to sue me.

 

Yet, neither do I face AT or herbalism as a religion either. What's

interesting is my company does mainly soap, perfumes and such because

I love it and how it smells and how the aroma makes me feel. What is

interesting I sent out a survey among my fellow co-workers about the

beauty products they buy and why, just getting an idea on what I

should invest my money into. I sent out about 20 surveys and got

about 14 back and of the 14 people either didn't use any kind of

beauty product at all, and they were all over the age of 50

interestingly, and the others said they didn't care if it was an

essential oil or a fragrance oil just as long as the price was right,

it was packaged nice and smelled good.

 

Just in conversation with many people I meet, at health food stores,

my daughter's school, and just anywhere, it strikes me that these

people know very little or nothing at all about AT and the ones that

knew a little knew of no oil other than lavender and chamomile oil,

most just knew of fragrance oils. I've heard massage therapists tell

me that they like to use orange oil as a massage ingredient and many

of them have bought regular aromatherapy books, and I tell them that

they should not be using orange oil in massage and when I tell them

why they are stunned. I don't attack them like a Bible-toting

evangelist because I understand. I have AT books in my house right

now that have recipes that include the use of oils that I've learned

causes sensitization.

 

But just like anything you are going to have people who take it a

step too far like in IDEM list or whatever it's called - all I can

say about that list is - " reading is fundamental. " I belong to a few

other specialized boards and there are always people who take the

idea to the point where it is intermingled with their sense of self-

worth, and fights break out, so, human nature. I will question

something, but only from a standpoint where I really want to know. I

prefer this board because people can talk to one another even if they

don't agree. I don't care if someone gets passionate about something

because in writing, it is easy to misunderstand a person's tone of

voice. I just don't like when it erupts into name calling, blatant

rudeness and people not knowing what the hell they are talking about

or haven't bothered to read what you wrote.

 

Michele Robles

[Guest guest]

, " rastapoodle " <mccoy@n...>

wrote:

>

>

> Lordy.. saying your post was " sorta long " is like saying the Pope is

> " sorta Catholic " , :-)

>

> Great post, Butch, and that brings me to an important point I've

> pondered for a while about your posts and archived files.

>

 

 

I think you have hit on a great idea. I myself have been looking

into doing this with stuff I have. Butch this is a wonderful idea

and sure would help you in giving people the advise and guidance they

need when they need it.

 

Let us all know what you think of this. As usual I am probably way

too late in reading this and getting my response out.

Barbara