help baby come quicker

[Guest guest]

Hello All

 

I have a friend who is due and she is quite small and her baby is big, and

her belly also is quite big so , does anyone have any ideas/suggestions to help

the baby come quicker, any exercises or even any antidotal thing you might

have heard of???

You can send to me off line if you wish.

 

thanks

sandi

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi there Sandi,

 

This is more of a personal opinion/story vs. a professional- it is

based on my experience.

 

I am quite small framed and delivered a 8 lb 14 oz baby , 21.5 inches

long in August. I had planned an all natural birth but ended up at

the hospital with a vacuum suction delivery. From the beginning I was

told that I was narrow and might have difficulties (not from my

midwife but everyone else). My midwife says there are plenty of

people my size that deliver big babies.

 

Anyway, just be careful if she is overdue- that is what happened to

me, by almost two weeks. By that time his head had hardened too much

and I could not get it past my pelvic bone on my own. Almost had a

C-Section. Anyway, this is no reason to induce just make sure she

delivers in a squatting position or on all fours (that is what I was

told) it will open up the delivery canal by over an inch. It is a

much more natural way to have birth.

 

Tell your friend good luck and make sure she is doing her squats daily!

 

Krista

 

 

 

 

, avos3857@a... wrote:

> Hello All

>

> I have a friend who is due and she is quite small and her baby is

big, and

> her belly also is quite big so , does anyone have any

ideas/suggestions to help

> the baby come quicker, any exercises or even any antidotal thing

you might

> have heard of???

> You can send to me off line if you wish.

>

> thanks

> sandi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually, if you could post replies to the group on this, it would be most

helpful to me, too! I am overdue, small-framed, and they tell me baby is

already pushing 8 lb., and they gain about 1/2 lb. a week, so I am ready to

meet my little one!

 

I plan on trying acupuncture this week, have heard great things about it for

getting labor started, but I am having trouble getting an appointment. I

have tried EPO and NSP's 5W herbal blend, but I ended up with a stomachache

instead of contractions, so I figured it is not what my body wants. I walk

every day, practice yoga and squats, stimulate acupressure points, and

nothing. Little guy is too comfy in there, I think! :-)

 

Thanks,

Debbie

deb

Baby products on sale this month, in honor of our impending arrival!

http://www.debrasrhapsody.com/rhapsody/specials.php

-

<avos3857

 

Monday, November 15, 2004 11:35 PM

Re: help baby come quicker

 

 

>

> Hello All

>

> I have a friend who is due and she is quite small and her baby is big, and

> her belly also is quite big so , does anyone have any ideas/suggestions to

help

> the baby come quicker, any exercises or even any antidotal thing you

might

> have heard of???

> You can send to me off line if you wish.

>

> thanks

> sandi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know this may sound a bit odd, but try what got you the baby in the

first place, sex! *lol*

Semen contains some prostaglandin, and having an orgasm may stimulate a

few contractions.

 

Good luck with the babies ladies - may your labors be swift and easy!

 

Oh, and some personal testimonial to ease the minds of the little gals

having not so little babies - I am 5'4 " - was about 125 lbs before I got

pg, and baby #2 was a homebirthed, waterbirth 8 & 1/2 lb baby No

perineum tears either

 

But that's not too off in mama and baby size - here is one to really

make you feel good - I knew a gal at one of my jobs who who was about

5'2 " and had a 10 & 1/2 lb baby, homebirthed, and got it out just fine!

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

Debra McDuffee [deb]

Actually, if you could post replies to the group on this, it would be

most

helpful to me, too! I am overdue, small-framed, and they tell me baby

is

already pushing 8 lb., and they gain about 1/2 lb. a week, so I am ready

to

meet my little one!

 

I plan on trying acupuncture this week, have heard great things about it

for

getting labor started, but I am having trouble getting an appointment.

I

have tried EPO and NSP's 5W herbal blend, but I ended up with a

stomachache

instead of contractions, so I figured it is not what my body wants. I

walk

every day, practice yoga and squats, stimulate acupressure points, and

nothing. Little guy is too comfy in there, I think! :-)

 

Thanks,

Debbie

deb

Baby products on sale this month, in honor of our impending arrival!

http://www.debrasrhapsody.com/rhapsody/specials.php

-

<avos3857

> Hello All

> I have a friend who is due and she is quite small and her baby is big,

and

> her belly also is quite big so , does anyone have any

ideas/suggestions to

help

> the baby come quicker, any exercises or even any antidotal thing you

might

> have heard of???

> You can send to me off line if you wish.

> thanks

> sandi

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Debbie & Sandi,

My baby was a ten month baby!

http://www.birthlove.com/free/ten_month_mama.html

This site is not mine, but it is beautiful regarding longer pregnancies.

And then there is always the chance for the mis~calculation of the due date.

My doctor " warned " me that if I didn't have my baby within a week she would

be ten pounds! Also, that if I didn't go into labor within three days I

would have to be induced, as I was all ready three weeks past my " due " date.

Just a little bit of psychological manipulation, eh? My little girl was born

that week (without induction) and was 7lbs. 11ozs. Google " ten month

babies " there is a good bit of info out there on it. Have a beautiful

birth!

Paris

 

 

-

" Debra McDuffee " <deb

 

Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:59 AM

Re: help baby come quicker

 

 

>

> Actually, if you could post replies to the group on this, it would be most

> helpful to me, too! I am overdue, small-framed, and they tell me baby is

> already pushing 8 lb., and they gain about 1/2 lb. a week, so I am ready

> to

> meet my little one!

>

> I plan on trying acupuncture this week, have heard great things about it

> for

> getting labor started, but I am having trouble getting an appointment. I

> have tried EPO and NSP's 5W herbal blend, but I ended up with a

> stomachache

> instead of contractions, so I figured it is not what my body wants. I

> walk

> every day, practice yoga and squats, stimulate acupressure points, and

> nothing. Little guy is too comfy in there, I think! :-)

>

> Thanks,

> Debbie

> deb

> Baby products on sale this month, in honor of our impending arrival!

> http://www.debrasrhapsody.com/rhapsody/specials.php

> -

> <avos3857

>

> Monday, November 15, 2004 11:35 PM

> Re: help baby come quicker

>

>

>>

>> Hello All

>>

>> I have a friend who is due and she is quite small and her baby is big,

>> and

>> her belly also is quite big so , does anyone have any ideas/suggestions

>> to

> help

>> the baby come quicker, any exercises or even any antidotal thing you

> might

>> have heard of???

>> You can send to me off line if you wish.

>>

>> thanks

>> sandi

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

While I agree with Chris here, (most babies are just fine if allowed to

progress on their own and not rushed), it isn’t always the case. I have

wide hips but a flat pelvis. My first was 8 lbs 13 oz. I pushed for 3

hours and he still wasn’t coming out. He ended up being a forceps

delivery. My next three babies were no problem as the largest was 7

lbs 13 ounces. While I agree that I’m definitely not the norm, my

condition isn’t that uncommon either.

 

Now, having said that, I know of a lady whose pregnancies were 10 months

(all 7 of them). And she isn’t large either. Her babies were on the

large side but still normal. While I understand how the last month, and

especially the last week of pregnancy is. My suggestion is don’t rush

it. Oh, and a side note… I have never known a doctor to be right when he

says how much a baby weighs in-utero. One lady I know was told 10

pounds minimum and her baby was 7 ½ pounds. So, take courage and just

worry about preparing yourself for the birth; kegels, breathing exercise

ect.

 

JMnevertobehumbleO

Karen J

 

 

 

Christine Ziegler [chrisziggy]

Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:07 AM

 

RE: help baby come quicker

 

I know this may sound a bit odd, but try what got you the baby in the

first place, sex! *lol*

Semen contains some prostaglandin, and having an orgasm may stimulate a

few contractions.

 

Good luck with the babies ladies - may your labors be swift and easy!

 

Oh, and some personal testimonial to ease the minds of the little gals

having not so little babies - I am 5'4 " - was about 125 lbs before I got

pg, and baby #2 was a homebirthed, waterbirth 8 & 1/2 lb baby No

perineum tears either

 

But that's not too off in mama and baby size - here is one to really

make you feel good - I knew a gal at one of my jobs who who was about

5'2 " and had a 10 & 1/2 lb baby, homebirthed, and got it out just fine!

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

Debra McDuffee [deb]

Actually, if you could post replies to the group on this, it would be

most

helpful to me, too! I am overdue, small-framed, and they tell me baby

is

already pushing 8 lb., and they gain about 1/2 lb. a week, so I am ready

to

meet my little one!

 

I plan on trying acupuncture this week, have heard great things about it

for

getting labor started, but I am having trouble getting an appointment.

I

have tried EPO and NSP's 5W herbal blend, but I ended up with a

stomachache

instead of contractions, so I figured it is not what my body wants. I

walk

every day, practice yoga and squats, stimulate acupressure points, and

nothing. Little guy is too comfy in there, I think! :-)

 

Thanks,

Debbie

deb

Baby products on sale this month, in honor of our impending arrival!

http://www.debrasrhapsody.com/rhapsody/specials.php

-

<avos3857

> Hello All

> I have a friend who is due and she is quite small and her baby is big,

and

> her belly also is quite big so , does anyone have any

ideas/suggestions to

help

> the baby come quicker, any exercises or even any antidotal thing you

might

> have heard of???

> You can send to me off line if you wish.

> thanks

> sandi

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I tried my best to have a normal delivery, but I spent 20 hours of

labor after having my water broke, I'm 5'1 and I just wouldn't

dilate. Even after 20 hours, I was still only like 6 and her heart

rate dropped dangerously so I had to have a C-Section. When they

pulled her out, her head was still perfectly round so she hadn't even

dropped down in the birth canal. I have a very narrow pelvis.

 

Michele Robles

[Guest guest]

Hi Sandi,

 

Just a question - the friend is " quite small " with a " big baby " - by whose

standards?

 

I can give you a bit of in sight to " small " women and " big " babies (the thing

that absolutely blew my theory) was the Vietnamese lady who weighed a whopping

95 lbs. nine months pregnant, just over 4 feet tall, and had AN ELEVEN POUND

baby - vaginally. No tears, no stitches. I think the midwife was in shock!

LOL

 

If her care provider is a doctor, he / she is setting this lady up for failure

and a surgical birth...

 

Babies come when they are supposed to. Forcing them to come early is harmful.

 

But of course, that is just my .02.

 

Jill Mc.

Alabama

 

avos3857 wrote:

Hello All

 

I have a friend who is due and she is quite small and her baby is big, and

her belly also is quite big so , does anyone have any ideas/suggestions to help

the baby come quicker, any exercises or even any antidotal thing you might

have heard of???

You can send to me off line if you wish.

 

thanks

sandi

[Guest guest]

Thank you all you mamas w/ your own personal stories of your 'big' babies!!

 

xo

Dale

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Karen -

 

The key here is being allowed time for your body to show that there may be a

problem....not telling mom there is a problem before having any real evidence of

it.

 

Three hours of pushing in a natural birth is not uncommon. It is very common to

have a difficult second stage in a labor involving pain meds.

 

Dale

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill!

 

I find this thread very interesting! I don't have children myself, but I'm

a medical transcriptionist and I can't tell you how many C-sections I type

over the course of a week! And I do a variety of notes, not just Op notes,

so you can just imagine how many actually take place! Oyyy!

 

Anyhow, I understand what you're saying about not forcing babies to come

early, but what about those who exhibit meconium staining? In that case,

wouldn't there be the danger of aspiration?

 

It has been my observation, and just a layman's observation because I'm NOT

a doctor, but I notice that more women get whisked off to the OR for

C-sections because of fetal heart decelerations after they've been given

Pitocin. It's almost a given. I'm thinking that the Pitocin has A LOT to

do with fetal heart decels, arrest of dilatation and arrest of descent and

I'm thinking maybe anesthetics play a role too.

 

Just my observations. :-)

 

Kelly

-

" Jill McDanal " <birthmamajill

 

Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:11 PM

Re: help baby come quicker

 

 

>

>

> Hi Sandi,

>

> Just a question - the friend is " quite small " with a " big baby " - by whose

> standards?

>

> I can give you a bit of in sight to " small " women and " big " babies (the

> thing that absolutely blew my theory) was the Vietnamese lady who weighed

> a whopping 95 lbs. nine months pregnant, just over 4 feet tall, and had AN

> ELEVEN POUND baby - vaginally. No tears, no stitches. I think the

> midwife was in shock! LOL

>

> If her care provider is a doctor, he / she is setting this lady up for

> failure and a surgical birth...

>

> Babies come when they are supposed to. Forcing them to come early is

> harmful.

[Guest guest]

Oh my gosh Kelly!! What Jill and I wouldn't do to show our clients REAL

transcriptions telling them what we have termed 'train wrecks waiting to

happen.'

 

Don't worry. We'd never ask you to compromise your professionalism. This is

just a 'yeah it's out there and marked confidential so women can't ever compare

their records with other women.'

 

I'll let Jill respond re: meconium

 

Kelly, for a layperson you're a genius.

 

Actually you are a Thinking Woman (Henci Goer). Your simple observations are

truths. There is back-up in medical journals everywhere but the medical world

will not give up their interventions for many reasons - all of them cloaked

behind the Cover Your Ass mentality.

 

If you've never seen it you should check your public television programming for

a documentary called Born In The USA.

 

Imagine if women requested their transcripts and got together in a huge group

and compared and drew their own conclusions????

 

Dale

-

Kelly Beers

Wednesday, November 17, 2004 12:47 PM

Re: help baby come quicker

 

 

Hi Jill!

 

 

Anyhow, I understand what you're saying about not forcing babies to come

early, but what about those who exhibit meconium staining? In that case,

wouldn't there be the danger of aspiration?

 

It has been my observation, and just a layman's observation because I'm NOT

a doctor, but I notice that more women get whisked off to the OR for

C-sections because of fetal heart decelerations after they've been given

Pitocin. It's almost a given. I'm thinking that the Pitocin has A LOT to

do with fetal heart decels, arrest of dilatation and arrest of descent and

I'm thinking maybe anesthetics play a role too.

 

Just my observations. :-)

 

Kelly

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sorry to be so delayed in answering ya'll. So goes life you know!

 

RE (from Kelly) " Anyhow, I understand what you're saying about not forcing

babies to come early, but what about those who exhibit meconium staining? In

that case, wouldn't there be the danger of aspiration

 

Meconium aspiration means that the baby INHALES the meconium stained fluid.

Most babies do NOT inhale contaminated fluid. There has been at least one study

that I know of done on a lamb that was " test tube " grown. (It has been years,

and my other computer burned up last year, so don't quote me on this!) This

lamb's amniotic fluid was " contaminated " with 2 substances. The first one was a

dextrose (sugar) base. During this session, the lamb made MORE breathing

movements as observed by scientests. Later the lamb's amniotic fluid was

contaiminated with vinegar (I don't remember the strength or what kind). During

the vinegar infusion the lamb's breathing movements were found not at all.

 

Meconium also has very different variations. Green mec. is a sign of an older

problem - several months or days before birth. It may be particulate (have

chunks) or not. Brown mec. which is probably seen most often in LOW RISK women

who have low risk pregnancies - happens near term, usually because of a cord

problem, being rammed into the pelvic brim, gross mishandling of the baby/cord

at birth, and more often with the use of pit or some other drug. Rust colored

mec is the death knell. You see it when babe has passed or is passing. Babies

generally " know " when the amniotic fluid is contaminated and will not make

breathing efforts, swallowing, of course is a whole nother issue. Meconium is

actually clean. Babies are not born with the necessary gut flora to digest

breastmilk or substitutes. That is why we see babies who are terribly

constipated especially when they are NOT breastfed. We also see more digestive

problems - ie reflux, projectile vomiting, GERD, etc.

 

With pitocin, the uterus contracts very strongly and may actually cause meconium

to be released and stains the fluid and could possibly lead to meconium

aspiration syndrome. But this is just my not so HO, but if the docs would lay

off the pit and the other drugs in labor we would see a LOT less problems in

general. Also most hospitals and doctors do not differientiate between

aspiration and SWALLOWING. Thus necessitates deep suctioning with DeLee

eventhough nnr (neonatal resusciatation) protocols explicitly state that babies

who HAVE meconium and ARE VIGOROUS DO NOT NEED SUCTIONING. Pity the docs cannot

read.

 

Now attending mothers at home with meconium - I have done it. I have done it

with green particulate meconium. Mom was 10 and pushing, water breaks, OMG

GREEN MEC!, kiddo is born 2 pushes later, she is fine and vigorous and breathing

well. Babies expel over 100 mL of fluid out of their lungs and throat at birth

with an intact perineum.

 

My personal theory is that mec. aspiration happens BECAUSE some jackass is

trying to vigorously suction a baby that doesn't really need it. (Usually Nurse

Rachet and Dr. Do Little.) Another theory of mine, of course off the record and

with no documentation, but just a theory, the problem with mec. aspiration is

not that the baby inhaled some, but that it interferes with the surfactant

function in the lungs. Surfactant is what the lungs rely on to expand. When it

is coated in excessive mucous or meconium, it cannot do its job. Plus I think

it gives a space for certain germs to cling to and a medium to grow in.

 

Now there are no absolutes in birth, never say never or always, it is possible

that mec. aspiration will lead to a very serious condition called RDS -

Respiratory Distress Syndrome or Hyaline Membrane Disease, but typically, it is

not seen even with meconium stained babies in HEALTHY LOW RISK POPULATIONS. Now

if mom has GBS (Group B Strep) or has an STD or has some sort of infection -

amnitis (spelling, sorry, no book in my reach that would give me the right one),

choriamnitis, or a uterine infection, she is at risk of passing that on to her

babe. In those situations, as well as Cesarean Sugery, it may be necessary to

suction babies so that they may breathe with as little effort as possible.

 

And I totally agree - pit, more often than not, contributes heavily to the

sugical birth rate. Especailly here. Some docs have as high as a 50% surgical

rate! You'd better ask before you decide to drop that kid anywhere else but

home! LOL

 

Jill Mc.

 

Alabama

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jill,

 

Thank you for all your comments! Wow! I bet you and Dale and I could have

some lively conversations! LOL

 

This is all such great info to know because as you know, the medical

professionals would never share any light on this. I've often thought their

methods and treatments cause more problems (with most everything in

medicine, not just childbirth) and this just helps to confirm my suspicions.

 

I've done medical transcription for 18+ years and I've seen a lot of

trends....a lot of SCARY trends, unfortunately. :-(

 

Again, thanks for sharing this!

 

Kelly

-

" Jill McDanal " <birthmamajill

 

Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:05 PM

Re: help baby come quicker

 

 

> My personal theory is that mec. aspiration happens BECAUSE some jackass is

> trying to vigorously suction a baby that doesn't really need it. (Usually

> Nurse Rachet and Dr. Do Little.) Another theory of mine, of course off the

> record and with no documentation, but just a theory, the problem with mec.

> aspiration is not that the baby inhaled some, but that it interferes with

> the surfactant function in the lungs. Surfactant is what the lungs rely

> on to expand. When it is coated in excessive mucous or meconium, it

> cannot do its job. Plus I think it gives a space for certain germs to

> cling to and a medium to grow in.

>

> Now there are no absolutes in birth, never say never or always, it is

> possible that mec. aspiration will lead to a very serious condition called

> RDS - Respiratory Distress Syndrome or Hyaline Membrane Disease, but

> typically, it is not seen even with meconium stained babies in HEALTHY LOW

> RISK POPULATIONS. Now if mom has GBS (Group B Strep) or has an STD or has

> some sort of infection - amnitis (spelling, sorry, no book in my reach

> that would give me the right one), choriamnitis, or a uterine infection,

> she is at risk of passing that on to her babe. In those situations, as

> well as Cesarean Sugery, it may be necessary to suction babies so that

> they may breathe with as little effort as possible.

>

> And I totally agree - pit, more often than not, contributes heavily to the

> sugical birth rate. Especailly here. Some docs have as high as a 50%

> surgical rate! You'd better ask before you decide to drop that kid

> anywhere else but home! LOL

>

> Jill Mc.

>

> Alabama